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That is a cool moveset. I especially like the ideas for his clone attacks. They seem like they would be really unique and fun. I probably would have given him a dedicated counter or reflector move but your idea works well too.
A counterattack would be very fitting, I just feel like Down B counter attacks in Smash have been kind of done to death already.
Yeah you have a point there. My thoughts were something along the lines of Lucario’s counter where Jace disappears and a clone of him counterattacks. Some kind of forward B reflector would be interesting too if there is a good way to make it stand out compared to the others.
Ravnica would probably be best, it's been the most revisited plane for a reason. Though if they went really wild with it, I could see a stage that was constantly shifting between several planes, kinda like Castle Siege.
That’s an awesome idea. If they went with the plane shifting stage, which other planes would you like to see? I think the world of Zendikar is really cool and I’d love to see New Phyrexia as well as Amonkhet since I’m a big fan of the ancient Egyptian aesthetic.
Man, these Mii costume deconfirmations are brutal. That was my most waaanted! T_T
I’d love to see some representation from the other original Planeswalkers.
Beyond the original Llorwyn Planeswalkers, other major characters include Nissa Revane and Gideon Jura of the Gatewatch (basically Magic’s equivalent of the Avengers). Nissa and Gideon are pictured on the right side.
It looks like Pillow referenced specific cards for all of Jace’s specials but created the rest of his moves from scratch. I think that makes a lot of sense.
From looking at Pillow's moveset it feels like without the essence of MtG being a card game Jace feels more like your standard fantasy mage from a distance (and I'm aware about his role in the.. lore). Say how many cards are there that featured Jace as an artwork? If there's a lot I could see it be implemented in his down B where he draw a card and you have to use it before drawing again ( I believe you can stack up cards in the original game) kinda like Hero's selection menu but it is in a similar manner to the Mystery Box from Mario Kart.
Since Jace is one of the main characters in Magic, there are tons of cards that feature Jace in the art (probably at least a hundred but I never counted). I’m not sure if there’s an easy way to look up how many cards feature Jace in the art, but there are 25 cards with Jace in its name.
Forest is the strongest card in Magic, so this costume is pretty terrifying and hilarious.
He feels like a standard fantasy mage because he is a standard fantasy mage. A lot of cards feature Jace, but as I’ve mentioned previously Jace himself doesn’t use cards. A card mechanic would be better suited to someone from Yugioh, Hearthstone, Cardfight Vanguard or some other series where the cards themselves canonically have power or are featured in the lore.
Wizards just revealed a card in the upcoming set that you’ll get a kick out of if you think Forests are the strongest cards lol.
If we’re doing fan favorites then the best options are Zendikar, Ravnica, Dominaria/Phyrexia, and Innistrad probably.
It’s just a common joke that either island or forest is the most broken card in the game depending on who you ask. I actually never played modern. I stopped playing standard in Eldraine and mostly just play EDH occasionally now. Legends of Runeterra is my digital card game of choice nowadays.
Define "the card themselves is canon"? Do you mean that Jace can't use Brainstorm or duplicate himself as his power and just have "average lightning magic go brr" or is it something else? Again not really familiar with MtG nor even the rules.
I’ve never really played competitive Magic unless you count Arena or going to a few prereleases or FNM’s. I’ve always just been strictly casual and I pretty much only play with my brother and friends in person.
I think what he’s trying to say is that, unlike Yugioh, cards are not an in-universe element of Magic. Yugi actually plays cards in the anime but cards are only a gameplay mechanism in Magic. That’s why he’s saying it doesn’t really make sense for Jace to have a card based moveset. I’m kind of on the fence personally. I think if it was possible to represent the mechanics of a card game without using physical cards, that could be interesting.
As in, say the character is instead Yugi or the Hearthstone innkeeper. Within the context of these series, the cards themselves have power, and the characters play the card game itself (granted HS lore is pretty scarce). They summon monsters out of cards. This isn't the case for MTG characters. Jace doesn't use cards to use his abilities, he just does his normal mage stuff, which is depicted on the cards. There is a larger separation between the characters and the game itself, and MTG lore is pretty much completely separated from the CCG gameplay. Using your example of Brainstorm, Brainstorm is just a card that depicts Jace coming up with a plan. Jace himself doesn't use cards. Saying Jace should have a card mechanic is like saying Phoenix Wright should have a mechanic where the player brings up several boxes of dialogue because he's from a VN.
Then you should play EDH!
I’ve got a couple EDH decks but my friends are more into normal 60 card decks so we play that more often. I think I have about a hundred 60 card decks right now and probably around 50,000 cards.
You can take a look at all twelve Jace cards here, though it's probably nonsense to you if you haven't played.
Then, in that case, I have no idea how we can simulate "milling" in Smash at the moment. Maybe it gradually debuffs the opponent's attack power with each hit to simulate how it works? Or perhaps it's a risky Special that buffs your opponent but in turn inverts it to a debuff after they use said buffed attack?
Well there aren't really "Jace cards" so much as they are blue cards just with Jace's face or quotes sometimes printed on them. Blue is the fundamental control class of Magic, and is the main enabler for "Permission" style control which is mostly does through counterspells and lots of draw card. Generally counterspells are weak to being overwhelmed (They just play stuff faster than you can counter) and generally if they get cards through, blue has trouble dealing with things that actually are able to resolve (which is why it's often paired with a color with good kill options). Blue also has other options outside of the control shell, but it's most known for counterspells.
Walker cards are even harder to translate into actual gameplay imo, because it's not really clear what they're supposed to be depicting action wise.
No, that's the drawback that has a 45% chance of happening...
Well, Smash IS lacking in terms of pirates...
Why do you think I nominated Zegram
? He’s my favorite character but being a pirate definitely helps with that.
Perhaps he just stuns them, like with Mewtwo's Disable. Or maybe he reverses controls or something? Though, that could get annoying fast...Why do you think I nominated Zegram
Back to Jace, since mind control is such a big part of blue’s abilities, and Jace himself is known to have mind altering powers, I’m curious if there’s a way to represent that in Smash without breaking the game. It would be really cool if there was a way but I’m struggling to come up with anything that isn’t insanely overpowered. The best I can come up with is just by generally being a tricky character and using his clones to fake out opponents. Directly controlling your opponents seems broken except for maybe a final smash.
Here are two options for the series icon if a MtG character ever makes it in:
The first option is the classic M used in Magic’s title logo:
The other is the Planeswalker symbol that Wizards has been using on all their modern products like MtG Arena.
Maybe mind control could work by way of recording their next few seconds in a Steve-style boundary? There'd still be a few kinks to iron out, however, it'd be heavily telegraphed, but the set-up potential would be disgusting.Why do you think I nominated Zegram
Back to Jace, since mind control is such a big part of blue’s abilities, and Jace himself is known to have mind altering powers, I’m curious if there’s a way to represent that in Smash without breaking the game. It would be really cool if there was a way but I’m struggling to come up with anything that isn’t insanely overpowered. The best I can come up with is just by generally being a tricky character and using his clones to fake out opponents. Directly controlling your opponents seems broken except for maybe a final smash.
Here are two options for the series icon if a MtG character ever makes it in:
The first option is the classic M used in Magic’s title logo:
The other is the Planeswalker symbol that Wizards has been using on all their modern products like MtG Arena.
Those ideas sound pretty interesting. I think something along those lines would make for a really cool and unique move if it could be balanced properly.
I think a boss fight would work well. The three main options would be Nicol Bolas, Emrakul, and Yawgmoth. Emrakul is a giant otherworldly monster called an Eldrazi and Yawgmoth was the leader of the Phyrexians, one of Magic’s first villains. The Phyrexians are pretty much corrupted machines that are pretty terrifying.
Oh there's tons. If Jace specifically was a MTG Rep then the villain should be Nicol Bolas, but Yawgmoth would fit better if it was Urza.