Welcome to Smashboards, the world's largest Super Smash Brothers community! Over 250,000 Smash Bros. fans from around the world have come to discuss these great games in over 19 million posts!
You are currently viewing our boards as a visitor. Click here to sign up right now and start on your path in the Smash community!
A bit too many people here think he's a shoo-in at the moment.Does anybody think that Chrom might have a chance? I sure hope so, although his playstyle will have to be between Marth and Ike...maybe Roy?
Ah, I see. Thank you for the clarification.
I would not be surprised either, based on what Sakurai stated on Lucario's Smash 4 reveal, he might not have happened if the team was not so dedicated. This is obviously PR talk; however, it does seem to indicate that Lucario was never "given."
He's a shoo-in thanks to the Sal Leak. I wouldn't worry. :DDoes anybody think that Chrom might have a chance? I sure hope so, although his playstyle will have to be between Marth and Ike...maybe Roy?
If there is any possibility whatsoever that he may not be included, then he is not a shoo-in. The word "shoo-in" implies absolute certainty. If Chrom's chances are not 100% absolute, he cannot be accurately described as a "shoo-in."
Allow me to rephrase that. From what we know from the leak, he's essentially a shoo-in. In other words, there's no reason to think he's not in at this point.
I'd still find that to be slightly debatable, but it's better.
Unless you believe the leak to be fake as it has yet to be objectively proven.
^^^
You do believe that it has some credibility, though, right?
I fail to see how. The leaker's shown on multiple occasions that what he knows is legit. All it really takes is Wii Fit Trainer, and then Mii Fighters. Everything else is icing.
Eh, Wii Fit Trainer could be a lucky guess. But I think the deal sealer was "Mii Fighter".
I don't know how they would obtain that specific information. So I dunno. I don't see it as a direct leak, as the newcomer leaks seemed very on-point and direct. Lucas's "deconfirmation" is very wishy-washy.
I don't think it's fake, but I do find it suspicious. Why do you think cutting characters is dumb, if you don't mind me asking? I mean, Snake and the other two Trainer pokes are almost guaranteed gone (watch those three be the big Monday reveal and make me look dumb).
Combined with Villager and Mega Man on the same day?
But yeah, if anything, Mii Fighters should eliminate all doubt.
It didn't say Lucas is not returning for certain, but that there's a discussion about cutting him vs Ness. We could still get both, maybe?
Villager, Mega Man, Miss Fit, Rosalina, Greninja, Miis, Palutena, and Pac-Man deconfirmed.
Why do you think Snake is almost guaranteed to be cut, if you don't mind me asking?
Your opinion doesn't stop time constraints or whatever problem Sakurai has to keep Lucas in the roster.
Of course I find the leak to contain some credibility, that has remained my perspective ever since E3 2013 when Wii Fit Trainer, Villager, and Mega Man were all revealed in correlation with it. However; as I asserted previously, I choose to remain objective as that is the most logical mentality. The leak has been accurate thus far, but it is impossible to determine which aspects of the leak are false until they are confirmed to be false (which will only happen upon release). I am open to all of the possibilities, this includes the notion that the leak might be outdated, or that information might have changed during the development cycle, or that the leaker had legitimate information but decided to fabricate the rest. It is also possible that these are our only remaining newcomers.
I know, but I really hope Lucas does indeed return
My good man, cutting characters is simply undesireable, it doesn't matter who the character is or how likely he/she is to be cut from the game, nobody likes it nowadays.
Legal issues, and Konami isn't exactly in a good relationship with Nintendo right now at all.
You know, I momentarily agonized over that wording. Thanks for picking up on my insecurities.Villager, Mega Man, Miss Fit, Rosalina, Greninja, Miis, Palutena, and Pac-Man deconfirmed.
This is in jest if that wasn't obvious enough.
Why do you think Snake is almost guaranteed to be cut, if you don't mind me asking?
Alright. I do agree with that notion. I am sure as it is outdated (Pokemon XY character), and it's possible he tried to fabricate the rest of the leak. I still don't completely believe the Lucas rumor. It still seems more fabricated than anything. When it isn't speaking in absolutes, I don't really believe it.
Eh, I think it'd be time constraints. I mean, think about Dr. Mario, who was a clone. He was cut, likely due to time constraints.
I feel like Snake was a one-shot wonder as far as Smash goes. I don't have any evidence, but that's my guess. That and it seems like his moveset's been divvied up between others (ZSS has a better version of his final smash, Sheik possibly has his grenades if they behave anything like Snake's). It's mostly that first bit, though.
There are plenty of reasons why this is completely wrong, but pretty much every supporter in the Snake thread has gone over this a million times already, myself included. The short story, legal issues are exactly the reason why Snake would be in, not out.
Snake isn't being divided up, and similar moves is hardly a concern when Toon Link.
I enjoy cuts to a significant extent. I actually want the roster to be more cohesive, I want to experience new characters, and honestly, I want to read the salty comments. Squirlte and Ivysaur's apparent omission gave me MUCH joy. However, I suppose that has more to do with my speculation being correct (individual Charizard) and less to do with their removals.
Doc was cut earlier than say, Mewtwo.
It's already very suspicious that the leak considers Lucas to be cut. From what I could remember, none of the starting characters have ever been cut from the roster.
Pokemon Trainer was cut from the roster; if I recall correctly, he was indeed a starter.
Exactly. He wouldn't have enough time. Lucas is the (sadly, as a Lucas main) least necessary character from Brawl, and would get cut if Sakurai does not have enough time to put in the rest of the characters. Time constraints, right?
I post there and I thought we all agreed that if there's any reason for Snake to be cut, it's because of legal issues, which could happen?
You may have a point there, though part of the reason is due to the removal of transformations. Lucas doesn't have any transformations to begin with.
Just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it can't happen. Not to mention there's also the fact that the Pokemon Trainer's not returning, but instead Charizard is.
Well customization exists.
Lucas never had any transformations though, so I don't see any reason for why he should be cut, especially since Ike managed to come back.
Precisely, there was no reason to remove starters in Melee or Brawl. Smash 4 is the first game that it might be warranted; as time progresses (as titles launch) the likelihood only increases. Although, I doubt a characters status as a starter is entirely relevant.
It's just that the "no new MGS games on Nintendo consoles" has absolutely no bearing whatsoever, so I just kind of jumped at that on instinct... Snake is either in or out, either Sakurai/Nintendo and Kojima/Konami went through the paperwork from the beginning, or they didn't. I don't see how there could be any legal issues, seeing as it was completely successful before and neither company has anything to lose for a second go. Konami and Nintendo are just as "close" as any companies, Konami still makes games for Nintendo consoles, MGS or not. Sure it's possible for something to happen, but I doubt it, personally.
