Shagadelic_Baby
Smash Ace
"The Legend of Sheik" just doesn't seem right to me, y'know?
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JFM2796
Smash Journeyman
Not really a fan of the character, but Ghirahim's chances are just a bit better than people give him credit for. I still think a Zaldo newcomer is less than likely at this point, and even if we were to get another there's a few characters that carry a more weight in the series he would have to beat out.
andimidna
Smash Master
-replace Waddle Dee with Isaac
-replace Chrom with anybody
-add Snake and Random to bottom row
yes pls
TylerBlackRunIt
I'm from YouTube
-No-replace Waddle Dee with Isaac
-replace Chrom with anybody
-add Snake and Random to bottom row
yes pls
-Maybe
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Shagadelic_Baby
Smash Ace
#nobiashere-replace Waddle Dee with Isaac
-replace Chrom with anybody
-add Snake and Random to bottom row
yes pls
andimidna
Smash Master
cus mah opinions are superior
Pazzo.
「Livin' On A Prayer」
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Zaldo isn't a Nintendo franchise bro.
Seriously, Ghirahim is possible, but as you said, unlikely.
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It evens out the bottom row
Jason the Yoshi
Watching Me, Wanting Me
Bandana Dee and Ghirahim?!?!?! I'm not buying it.
Croph
Hold Baroque Inside
Ikr? Smash is such a huge sausage fest.
But, I'd really like to see some statistic where including X amount of females in a video game increased sales/female players. Now, I could make some educated guesses, but, I think the overall "picture" of Smash 4 will help broaden the audience and make the game more accessible (but who knows). What I mean by "picture" is the overall art direction (some changes to vets make them look more cheerful/welcoming), atmosphere, and the overall accessibility of the game. Also, Nintendo seems to actually recognise the competitive scene this time (many in-game changes like FD versions of some stages, invitational tournament and GC controller adapter woop woop!), so we'll see what happens in the future.
Likes to play as villains!? That sound very suspicious... I'd keep an eye on her if I were you, BKupa.
Jk jk.
I like to play as characters who have fun playstyles... or naturally "click" with me. It's usually not the character themselves, and I will drop mains if I'm not fond of how they play in the next installment (done that before in the past).
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JFM2796
Smash Journeyman
He did say wish roster.
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TylerBlackRunIt
I'm from YouTube
Come on people Bandana Dee is a badass in the Kirby series.
Jason the Yoshi
Watching Me, Wanting Me
Oh, whoops! But still, bandana Dee and Ghirahim won't be in
Rebellious Treecko
Smash Hero
JFM2796
Smash Journeyman
Same deal with Krystal, except "staff"
Shagadelic_Baby
Smash Ace
He gives you food in the 3DS game. Also spear yaaaaaaaaaay
Yes, Ghirahim doesn't stand a CHANCE compared to Tails and Krystal. Obviously.
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ultimatekoopa
Smash Ace
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And the reason is?
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You're painting a target on yourself at this point man....
Jason the Yoshi
Watching Me, Wanting Me
Honestly, those two characters being added would cause over representation of their respective franchises
andimidna
Smash Master
Honest opinion of likelihood here.
I think these are the top 40 most likely newcomers/returning Melee veterans, in this order. (however it changes daily)
Used to post these a lot as "likelihood tiers"
But I'm not going to explain, I'll just give the range% of each row and see what reactions I get
Goddess Tier: 99-100%
S Tier: 95-90%
A Tier: 89-80%
B Tier: 79-70%
C Tier: 69-50%
D Tier: 49-40%
E Tier: 30-25%
F Tier: 20-10%
G Tier: 9-7%
So... what do you guys think? *gulp*
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You know people are gonna tell you "And adding Krystal wouldn't?"
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Huh, look at that!
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ultimatekoopa
Smash Ace
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Because krystal wouldn't cause over representation of star fox...just saying
Oblivion129
Smash Lord
Sure, it makes sense, but plenty of guys pick female characters, too, but I believe Nintendo would want to promote females more than villains. Looking at the smash roster it seems like the case.
Jason the Yoshi
Watching Me, Wanting Me
Big dumb deal, I haven't talked about her in days.
Depressed Gengar
Hana Is Best Girl
Bandanna Dee has no chance? Whatsoever?
And apparently Krystal does?
Wut.
And apparently Krystal does?
Wut.
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And? Some other characters haven't been talked about in days & they're doing OK.
All I'm sayin dude is just wait a bit until we get more info because Star Fox debates at this point are almost on par with Fire Emblem debates.
Jason the Yoshi
Watching Me, Wanting Me
Don't turn this around on me, Tillie! YOU asked me to cool my jets about Krystal.
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OK, Theres nothing wrong with supporting or liking her (Congratulations if you do!) but when you start saying these things like "Ghirahim ain't gonna make it because I said so!" & you flaunt Krystal around along with saying things like "She has a better chance than him!", then you're asking to be laughed at & Krystal supporters are going to look bad.
All I'm saying is, be careful what you say because the irony will hurt.
I'm not gonna hound on you, I'm just asking you to be careful. No hard feelings.
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Understood. My point was that it's shortsighted to generalize and say that "females need to be added to appeal to females" or "villains need to be added to increase roster coolness." Bottom line, if a character is important and appealing to a large number of people, let's get them added.
Oblivion129
Smash Lord
Yeah I agree, I didn't mean to generalize, rather just say the assumed intention of Nintendo. It explains the inclusion of Pink Gold Peach for example.
I'm not like that, though. I would rather add an important and appealing character like you said and not someone because they're female, villain, retro, lance-wielder or magic user or whatever else the smash community says that "needs more".
RadRedi
Smash Journeyman
I wouldn't put female and villain characters in the same category of "demographic". The intrigue in having more villains doesn't revolve around fulfilling the desire of some unspoken demographic of criminals and terrorists who take the time out of their busy, heartless schedules to Smash it up with their scoundrel friends. The reason villains are so exciting is because, often times, you aren't given the option to play as the villain. It hypes people to know that they'll have the option to play as an interesting character that hasn't been accessible in their own series.
At the same time, "female" shouldn't really be a demographic, either, just to make that clear. While diversity is great, characters should still get in based on their own merits. I just wanted to throw out there what people might mean in saying "we need more villains."
At the same time, "female" shouldn't really be a demographic, either, just to make that clear. While diversity is great, characters should still get in based on their own merits. I just wanted to throw out there what people might mean in saying "we need more villains."
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Leafeon523
Smash Ace
I like this. Just a couple of thoughts:View attachment 15506
Honest opinion of likelihood here.
I think these are the top 40 most likely newcomers/returning Melee veterans, in this order. (however it changes daily)
Used to post these a lot as "likelihood tiers"
But I'm not going to explain, I'll just give the range% of each row and see what reactions I get
Goddess Tier: 99-100%
S Tier: 95-90%
A Tier: 89-80%
B Tier: 79-70%
C Tier: 69-50%
D Tier: 49-40%
E Tier: 30-25%
F Tier: 20-10%
G Tier: 9-7%
So... what do you guys think? *gulp*
1-2 tiers too High:
Sceptile
Mach Rider
Duck Hunt dog
Anna
1 tier too low:
Miis
Bandana Dee
Absent:
Diskun
Vaati
Hades
Perfect:
Goddess-A tier
C tier
Ray
Ghirahim.
Morbi
Scavenger
Villains also tend to be the most prominent characters aside from the main protagonist, of course.
RadRedi
Smash Journeyman
This is also true.
And both of our reasons are why seeing Ridley playable for once in his life would be SO GLORIOUS.
andimidna
Smash Master
I had a larger version with around 60 characters that included those, but at that point, there were so many that I considered equal that listing them all didn't mean much, and there was always someone I'd forget.
I give Sceptile a 26% chance
I give Mach Rider a 24% chance
I give Anna a 25% chance
I give Duck Hunt Dog a 11% chance
I give Miis a 30% chance
I give Waddle Dee a 8% chance
I give Diskun a 6% chance
I give Vaati a 3% chance
I give Hades a 1% chance
What do you rank them that would put them in different tiers?
Jason the Yoshi
Watching Me, Wanting Me
Yeah, I'm hoping that Sakurai's gag about Ridley during the direct was a trolling, I had a hard time against him in Super Metroid, and boy do I want to play as him before I die.
RadRedi
Smash Journeyman
I hear you. For a while after that Direct, I gave up on Ridley, but I wanted to be proven wrong so badly. As of now, I'm in more of a state of cautious optimism. I understand he's in a pickle, but I could see Sakurai making it to where beating him on the Pyrosphere=playable Ridley. Only time will tell.
Alfonzo Bagpipez
Smash Lord
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