Character Discussion Thread

[Spinosaurus]

I don't get why people don't call Jiggs' moveset "original". Sure, the animations are generic, but...

Where else can you find a highly potent, low execution, and fundamentals reliant aerial based character?

 

[Gune]

There are new sleeping animations in smash 4, as shown by a bellosom pic. Now, why bother to go and make that, and CUT the character that puts people to sleep?

You have to consider how much of a troll sakurai is also. That being said I still think Jiggs is in.

 

[bilbo43]

@SmashRiver64 she's most likely been cut.

I think all the original 12 characters in the 64 smash will be guaranteed to make the game, jigglypuff included

If it comes down to jiggly or mewtwo, im afraid jiggly will get in. Im not stoked about it but I just cant see them cutting a regular character in place of one that seemed discard-able before.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I think all the original 12 characters in the 64 smash will be guaranteed to make the game, jigglypuff included

If it comes down to jiggly or mewtwo, im afraid jiggly will get in. Im not stoked about it but I just cant see them cutting a regular character in place of one that seemed discard-able before.

I think the the more unique Pokemon will go first if there is one 5th last spot, it would definitely belong to Mewtwo.

 

[Xzsmmc]

So... what's everyone's opinion on Jigglypuff?

Complete and absolute indifference. Absolutely hate the little blob in mainline Pokemon games, but in Smash Bros, I don't think I could care either way.

 

[Louie G.]

Mewtwo and Jigglypuff are pretty much equally likely at this point.

Jiggs has been in every game, and does a good job of representing Smash Bros, not really Pokemon.
Being part of the Original 12 and a well loved member of the Smash family, I doubt she'll be cut.

Mewtwo is being "considered" by Sakurai, and since he is the most popular character in the world I highly doubt that Sakurai would ditch plans to work on Mewtwo this time. Pokemon's a big series, it can warrant 6 characters for sure.

Jigglypuff and Mewtwo will both be in this game, and I couldn't be happier.
I love 'em both to death.

 

[bilbo43]

I think the the more unique Pokemon will go first if there is one 5th last spot, it would definitely belong to Mewtwo.

Do you think mewtwo is more unique conidering the potential moveset he will receive over jigglypuff who really doesn't have any moves similar to anyone, no matter how basic they my be.

No other character has a move that puts the others to sleep or sends themselves asleep.

I wish mewtwo got in ahead of jigglypuff if it was one or the other, it only makes sense that the original strongest pokemon should get a spot, but unfortunately his moveset has been mostly absorbed by another character (Lucario)

 

[Gune]

I think the the more unique Pokemon will go first if there is one 5th last spot, it would definitely belong to Mewtwo.

Jiggs pretty unique too so we really don't know who would win out in the end really if it came to uniqueness.

but unfortunately his moveset has been mostly absorbed by another character (Lucario)

F smash and Neutral B are the only 2 moves that are remotely similar and they are still completely different from each other by visually(somewhat) and function wise.

 

[Louie G.]

Mewtwo and Lucario are in no way similar.
They share two similar moves. That's it.

I think that Mewtwo will be prioritized over Jigglypuff, but that doesn't necessarily mean Jigglypuff will be cut at all.
Jiggs is an easy character to make and will likely be thrown in last minute again.

Mewtwo will get in over Jiggs based on merit alone.
I doubt Sakurai is looking for Mr. Unique again. That's Greninja.

 

[Spinosaurus]

I think the the more unique Pokemon will go first if there is one 5th last spot, it would definitely belong to Mewtwo.

Jigglypuff is more unique. She actually has a set playstyle that no one in the series shares.

Mewtwo? He has none. He was just so poorly designed in Melee that he doesn't he really have a playstyle.

I mean, you might as well call Mewtwo "Nair and grabs". No one would know the difference.

That said, I can easily see both getting in. Mewtwo can be fixed.

 

[Louie G.]

Mewtwo is unique.

Just because he was executed poorly doesn't mean he's not a unique character.
Take Pokemon Trainer for example.

I feel like Sakurai could do great things with Mewtwo this time around.
Let's make the world' strongest Pokemon live up to his name!

 

[Spinosaurus]

Mewtwo is unique.

By being barebones I guess.

He seriously feels so rushed to me in Melee. I'm not saying he can't be fixed, but as it stands, Jiggs is easily the more unique of the two.

I guess it's all semantics. Either way, Jiggs has a playstyle, Mewtwo doesn't. I'll leave it at that.

 

[Deleted member]

4. It just feels like the right thing to do. I would use Mewtwo over Jiggs any day, but Mewtwo just dosent't fit in the game. He's a legendairy, he's not supposed to get killed by a pikachu.

I'm not defending Mewtwo by any means, but we have an overweight red plumber fighting against a elf man in shorts while we also have a yellow rat, an angel, a fox, a game accessory, a gorilla, and etc. fighting together!! Thats fitting?

 

[ACDC]

I'm not defending Mewtwo by any means, but we have an overweight red plumber fighting against a elf man in shorts while we also have a yellow rat, an angel, a fox, a game accessory, a gorilla, and etc. fighting together!! Thats fitting?

Fair enough

 

[BluePikmin11]

Do you think mewtwo is more unique conidering the potential moveset he will receive over jigglypuff who really doesn't have any moves similar to anyone, no matter how basic they my be.

No other character has a move that puts the others to sleep or sends themselves asleep.

I wish mewtwo got in ahead of jigglypuff if it was one or the other, it only makes sense that the original strongest pokemon should get a spot, but unfortunately his moveset has been mostly absorbed by another character (Lucario)

Well being a psychic genetic Pokemon aesthetically is really unique, using psychic powers to throw opponents away. I think that's more unique than a puffball who shares the same weight and jumps as Kirby.

 

[Gune]

By being barebones I guess.

He seriously feels so rushed to me in Melee. I'm not saying he can't be fixed, but as it stands, Jiggs is easily the more unique of the two.

I guess it's all semantics. Either way, Jiggs has a playstyle, Mewtwo doesn't. I'll leave it at that.

Jiggs is the more Usable of the two, Mewtwo is just as Unique its moveset just sucks is all.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

Jigglypuff?
I despise her. She is completely irrelevant, and shouldn't have been in Smash in the first place.

But I still think she should be in Smash 4. Even though she shouldn't have been, she was in every Smash game until now. And anyone who has stayed since the beginning deserves to stay. If Jigglypuff is irrelevant and should be cut, then what is Ness?

Now on the topic of the "Jigglypuff vs. Mewtwo" argument, I'd say were getting both.
Pokémon can easily get 6 characters.
Give Zelda a newcomer, and Zelda has 6 too.
And even though Mario has 5, Yoshi kinda gives it that representation of another character.

Hey look! The big three are equal!
Everyone's happy!

 

[Spinosaurus]

Jiggs is the more Usable of the two, Mewtwo is just as Unique its moveset just sucks is all.

I'm a bit puzzled here. What's your definition of unique?

Because the only thing unique about Mewtwo is him being a floaty lightweight despite being a large character, and his nair. Otherwise, nobody shares Jigglypuff's attributes of being extreme on both sides, nor her heavy aerial based playstyle and especially not her "know your fundamentals first" mindset. She's also one of the very few Smash characters that forces their opponents to play different.

It's not about being more usable or not. Mewtwo in Project M is top 10 material, but AFAIK, he's just a juggler. (Though I don't have many experiences with him, so I'm probably wrong.)

 

[Louie G.]

Eh.

I don't think Zelda will be getting a newcomer.

This whole equality thing is kinda bogus anyway.

 

[ACDC]

Mewtwo is being "considered" by Sakurai, and since he is the most popular character in the world I highly doubt that Sakurai would ditch plans to work on Mewtwo this time.

Did you just forget about Pikachu?

 

[Leafeon523]

This whole equality thing is kinda bogus anyway.

This sounds really bad out of context

 

[Louie G.]

Did you just forget about Pikachu?

"The most popular character in the world" refers to Smash Bros polls and popularity pertaining to Smash.
Mewtwo is the most requested character worldwide.

Pikachu and Charizard beat out Mewtwo in general, but I think Mewtwo is more "popular" than Pikachu.

This sounds really bad out of context

Don't patronize me.

 

[bilbo43]

Jigglypuff?
Now on the topic of the "Jigglypuff vs. Mewtwo" argument, I'd say were getting both.
Pokémon can easily get 6 characters.
Give Zelda a newcomer, and Zelda has 6 too.
And even though Mario has 5, Yoshi kinda gives it that representation of another character.

Hey look! The big three are equal!
Everyone's happy!

I get your point. Mario sort of cheats and has about 9 reps if you include donkey kong, diddy, yoshi and wario but so he should, its nintendo's go to franchise. I just don't understand why they have to hide their characters in other franchises in the games.

Not that it really matters in the end though i guess

 

[Leafeon523]

"The most popular character in the world" refers to Smash Bros polls and popularity pertaining to Smash.
Mewtwo is the most requested character worldwide.

Pikachu and Charizard beat out Mewtwo in general, but I think Mewtwo is more "popular" than Pikachu.

If Mewtwo and Pikachu had been cut in brawl, I guarantee Pikachu would have 10x the support for his return.

 

[Autumn ♫]

Eh.

I don't think Zelda will be getting a newcomer.

This whole equality thing is kinda bogus anyway.

Eh, there hasn't been an actual Zelda newcomer since Melee, so I find it a pretty likely chance that we'll get a new Zelda character.

 

[NickerBocker]

I'm a bit puzzled here. What's your definition of unique?

Because the only thing unique about Mewtwo is him being a floaty lightweight despite being a large character, and his nair. Otherwise, nobody shares Jigglypuff's attributes of being extreme on both sides, nor her heavy aerial based playstyle and especially not her "know your fundamentals first" mindset. She's also one of the very few Smash characters that forces their opponents to play different.

It's not about being more usable or not. Mewtwo in Project M is top 10 material, but AFAIK, he's just a juggler. (Though I don't have many experiences with him, so I'm probably wrong.)

I dont really know about melee, havent played it in a very long time. But from what I remember (and from Project M, which tried to keep his moveset similar) Mewtwo has his side b and down b, (confusion and disable?) a stun and a reflector/stun, which no one else has. An up b teleport, which him and Zelda/Shiek have.

Not to mention his many types of tail whip, which has the unique ability to piss you off

 

[Louie G.]

If Mewtwo and Pikachu had been cut in brawl, I guarantee Pikachu would have 10x the support for his return.

That's because Pikachu is the mascot of Pokemon. He wouldn't get cut anyway, but everyone would want him back because it wouldn't feel right without him.

If you ask a bunch of Pokemon fans who they like better, Mewtwo will probably win over.

 

[False Sense]

Eh, there hasn't been an actual Zelda newcomer since Melee, so I find it a pretty likely chance that we'll get a new Zelda character.

I guess Toon Link means absolutely nothing, is that right?

 

[bilbo43]

Eh, there hasn't been an actual Zelda newcomer since Melee, so I find it a pretty likely chance that we'll get a new Zelda character.

Who would you propose would be the most fitting zelda newcomer?

 

[Louie G.]

I guess Toon Link means absolutely nothing, is that right?

inb4 Toon Link doesn't count because clones and Young Link.

 

[TylerBlackRunIt]

What If SuperLittleTY Mii Was Announced For SSB4?

 

[Gune]

I'm a bit puzzled here. What's your definition of unique?

Because the only thing unique about Mewtwo is him being a floaty lightweight despite being a large character, and his nair. Otherwise, nobody shares Jigglypuff's attributes of being extreme on both sides, nor her heavy aerial based playstyle and especially not her "know your fundamentals first" mindset. She's also one of the very few Smash characters that forces their opponents to play different.

It's not about being more usable or not. Mewtwo in Project M is top 10 material, but AFAIK, he's just a juggler. (Though I don't have many experiences with him, so I'm probably wrong.)

My definition of unique is similar to yours but I'm not using play style as a factor in this, Mewtwo has a moveset that no other smasher has he floats instead of walking he throws people with his mind he attacks by blasting dark energy out of his hands no one else does that that's why I'm calling it unique.

Inb4NessLucarioMetaKnight

 

[Autumn ♫]

I guess Toon Link means absolutely nothing, is that right?

He's not really a full on newcomer, more like a replacement of Young Link.

inb4 Toon Link doesn't count because clones and Young Link.

Made it just in time.

Who would you propose would be the most fitting zelda newcomer?

Spoiler

It's Vaati

 

[NickerBocker]

I guess Toon Link means absolutely nothing, is that right?

No he doesnt. Hes actually more like Link in Brawl, they removed things that made him unique (wall jump, different bomb explosions, fire arrows, sweet spot on dair, etc.) There are really only 3 and 1/2 playable characters in the Zelda series, Link, Zelda, Shiek, 1/2 Ganondorf (clone.)

Frankly, as a huge LoZ fan, I can say the oncarnations of the characters in the game so far has been borderline insulting, especially if you consider how they are usually lowest on the tier list as well, barring Shiek and sort of Ganondorf in Melee.

They added not one, but 2 clones in melee. While they have tried to fix Ganondorf (which is a step in the right direction) Toon Link is still a blatant clone and to my knowledge, no efforts have been made to differentiate him from Link, which I find really redundant.

 

[aldelaro5]

What If SuperLittleTY Mii Was Announced For SSB4?

Why no one made a video like this for Paper Mario so that I can day dream without looking at my op in his support thread? (not joking I love doing this).

 

[ACDC]

Why no one made a video like this for Paper Mario so that I can day dream without looking at my op in his support thread? (not joking I love doing this).

We have Mario and Luigi so far. I'm biased towards wanting new new characters instead of a second Young Link even tho he's my main in melee.

 

[bilbo43]

@ Autumn ♫
Ive read up a lot of this forum's speculation on the different threads, I've yet to find someone who provides enough evidence or overall unanimous fan support to warrant their inclusion.

Im a big LOZ fan and what I've come to find is that there is so many different wants of characters that no matter who gets announced, not everyone will be happy.

Ghirihim, Vaati, Toon Zelda, Toon Ganon, Ganon, Skull Kid, Impa, Tetra, Twinrova.

Believe me I've seen that many roster predictions and summaries of why their favourite characters should be included, I just dont think in a series as well established as this, a one off character or a non regular boss can really warrant an inclusion into this. The only established characters within the universe are already in the games.

So in short, I may be new to joining as a member but I'm not really new to the forums.

In before shiek was a one off

 

[TylerBlackRunIt]

Why no one made a video like this for Paper Mario so that I can day dream without looking at my op in his support thread? (not joking I love doing this).

What If Paper Mario was announced for SSB4???

I will do a video on Paper Mario and Krystal?

 

[Spinosaurus]

I sincerely doubt Sakurai will add a character from a series just because he looked at the roster and said "you know, this series NEEDS another character!" because...why?

New series first. Zelda is fine. DK is fine. F-Zero is fine.

I think a common misconception here is that the roster is based off popularity, rather than as a celebration of Nintendo's history. Diversity is more important, and it's why we're getting characters like Ice Climbers and R.O.B. It's why Wii Fit Trainer makes perfect sense. It's why Mii, Shulk and Chorus Kids will make perfect sense. Obviously the two aren't mutually exclusive, but since you want to cover as many bases as possible, it's better to go for new successful IPs and historical characters than add another say, Mario or Zelda character because they're popular. Smash is the kind of game that INTRODUCES you to a character you're unfamiliar of, so that you can look at them and say "hey, this guy is cool, I wanna play his game!". It's all promotions. Obviously having the main villain, supporting characters, etc for very popular series is important but we pretty much covered all of that already except for Ridely. (But then Metroid IS pretty niche as is. I'm iffy on this one.) The only series this doesn't apply to is Pokemon, since it's kind of its own thing.

Diversity is Smash's biggest strength. You want to expand on it. If the roster just has characters from popular franchises just because they're from these franchises, then it makes no sense. In this case we'd have like 10 Mario characters.

Smash 4 is doing a very, very good job at this, Rosalina aside who is the only one possibly added just because of popularity. (She's also a good choice and she applies as well because she represents the Galaxy games, one of the most highly acclaimed games of all time.) I may like it so much because I played all the series represented so far (Animal Crossing, Wii Fit, Punch Out and Mega Man), but it's this kind of thing that I play Smash for. Truthfully, I want to be introduced to characters from franchises I don't know about, because that's what got me into Smash. That's what got everyone into Smash. It's not celebrating a specific series, it's celebrating Nintendo. As a toy company.

Sorry if I'm not making myself clear, I'm tired and and need to sleep lol.

 

[aldelaro5]

We have Mario and Luigi so far. I'm biased towards wanting new new characters instead of a second Young Link even tho he's my main in melee.

That's because it's not a toon/young link case. If he was, he would have been a clone which is the opposite of what he would be. It's far from dr mario trust me he just can't be a clone because well I don't know add him in the first place while you have a gigantic potential.

I sincerely doubt Sakurai will add a character from a series just because he looked at the roster and said "you know, this series NEEDS another character!" because...why?

New series first. Zelda is fine. DK is fine. F-Zero is fine.

I think a common misconception here is that the roster is based off popularity, rather than as a celebration of Nintendo's history. Diversity is more important, and it's why we're getting characters like Ice Climbers and R.O.B. It's why Wii Fit Trainer makes perfect sense. Obviously the two aren't mutually exclusive, but since you want to cover as many bases as possible, it's better to go for new successful IPs and historical characters than add another say, Mario or Zelda character because they're popular. Smash is the kind of game that INTRODUCES you to a character you're unfamiliar of, so that you can look at them and say "hey, this guy is cool, I wanna play his game!". It's all promotions. Obviously having the main villain, supporting characters, etc for very popular series is important but we pretty much covered all of that already except for Ridely. (But then Metroid IS pretty niche as is. I'm iffy on this one.) The only series this doesn't apply to is Pokemon, since it's kind of its own thing.

Diversity is Smash's biggest strength. You want to expand on it. If the roster just has characters from popular franchises just because they're from these franchises, then it makes no sense. In this case we'd have like 10 Mario characters.

Smash 4 is doing a very, very good job at this, Rosalina aside which is the only one added because of popularity. (She's also good choice and she applies as well because she represents the Galaxy games, one of the most highly acclaimed games of all time.) I may like it so much because I played all the series represented so far (Animal Crossing, Wii Fit, Punch Out and Mega Man), but it's this kind of thing that I play Smash for. Truthfully, I want to be introduced to characters I don't know about, because that's what got me into Smash. That's what got everyone into Smash.

Sorry if I'm not making myself clear, I'm tired and and need to sleep lol.

This is exactly why that even if I consider Paper Mario reping his own series, it has nothing to do with his chances.