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Exactly.The main problem with Eruption is that it doesn't solves Ike's problems of being predictable and slow. Hence why I was coveting for a Gun Blade-esque attack to give Ike more utility.
Screw Chorus Men! We have this wonderful piece of art!You're right. We need more Waluigi in there.
Fix'dScrew Chorus Men! We have this wonderful piece of Nightmare fuel!
Fixed, maybe that will teach you to mess with my quotes.I like random tripping. It was the best addition to SSBB.
My god. I love the idea of ike with a projectile. A little while back, not sure if it was you or someone else, but it was mentioned that he could have a tomahawk. I imagine it would be about the size and range of Wolf's lazer, but lose height link links arrowsThe main problem with Eruption is that it doesn't solves Ike's problems of being predictable and slow. Hence why I was coveting for a Gun Blade-esque attack to give Ike more utility.
Wait... did you see that?! 1:39
20 playable characters @ Smash Bros Invitational = 6 new-comers and only 14 out of 24 veterans!
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Left out:
Let's see at Brawl roster for reference
Brawl starting roster
Brawl demo roster
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left out:
hidden in:
I can see similar pattern.
I'm suspecting this is the finalized 'starting' roster:
Back to hidden: and IF also returned to hidden then Mewtwo not in.
Let me explain the Gun Blade.Exactly.
And while it is fire, I do find it a bit bland.
But what do you mean by "gun blade"? Like, a move that shoots out a projectile? I wouldn't mind if Ike gets a projectile. Heck, if all the FE fighters are gonna use swords, and be all like in-your-face, then giving a projectile move to someone would be refreshing and open up more options.
I suppose this is why I like the idea of a revamped Roy. They could give Roy different fire projectile moves, uh, not to make him super spammy, but I think you understand my point. Heh, if I feel like spamming, I play Toon Link. Z-air is an awesome ranged move, good comboing and catching some reflectors off-guard.
The E3 leak?So, I guess this kills the E3 leak for good?
I don't think we can assume which characters will be the starters though. If I'm not mistaken, Kirby was never playable in any of the Brawl demos, and yet he was a starter.Wait... did you see that?! 1:39
20 playable characters @ Smash Bros Invitational = 6 new-comers and only 14 out of 24 veterans!
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Left out:
Let's see at Brawl roster for reference
Brawl starting roster
Brawl demo roster
[?]
left out:
hidden in:
I can see similar pattern.
I'm suspecting this is the finalized 'starting' roster:
Back to hidden: and IF also returned to hidden then Mewtwo not in.
No, this oneThe E3 leak?
You don't mean the Gematsu leak, do you?
I'm pretty sure that one was already confirmed to be fake. But I guess the extra reassurance is nice.No, this one
That was already confirmed to be fake actually.No, this one
I find this roster interesting, yet I wish the poll it was taken from wasn't so outdated. Still, Chrom, Shulk, Mewtwo, AND Isaac? Sign me up even if we do get Krystal.So I looked at my new poll results this morning and had the idea to piece together the roster Smash fans are asking for... with a bit of logical steps to keep us from having too many newcomers from one series. (Mostly looking at the Mario and LoZ franchises when I did this)
I call it the Logical Popularity Roster
First and foremost, I will add characters who have at least 1000 votes, or higher regardless of how many characters are already from that franchise. (So if five Kirby characters were this high, they would get in no matter what) Getting this many votes is pretty dificult feat for most characters, so I figure if they are this popular, include them no matter what.
This has left us with Brawl cast with the addition of Ridley, Rosalina, Mewtwo, Palutena, Dixie, King K Rool, Chrom, Megaman, Wii Fit Trainer, Villager, and Little Mac.
This leaves us with 49 characters included. Now, for fun I will round it up to 55. Let’s just say that the game had 5 DLC choices. The criteria for these six characters will be:
- Popularity
- Does their franchise already have a newcomer?
So we’re firstly going to look at the Smaller franchise section, Kirby, Yoshi, Wario, Star Fox, Mother, F-Zero, Legend Of Zelda, and Third parties. This is what our final roster would look like:
Brawl cast +
Rosalina
King K Rool
Dixie Kong
Mewtwo
Ridley
Krystal
Chrom
Palutena
Villager
Little Mac
Wii Fit Trainer
Megaman
With Skull Kid, Black Shadow, Pac-Man, Shulk, and Isaac as DLC
Notes: solo Charizard, and Greninja are not options on this dated poll, so this result is very likely to change come my next poll.
How would you feel?
My voice would transform into that of Josh Groban. I would sing a ballad and bring Hitler back to life only to kill him again. ( i'd love it.)So I looked at my new poll results this morning and had the idea to piece together the roster Smash fans are asking for... with a bit of logical steps to keep us from having too many newcomers from one series. (Mostly looking at the Mario and LoZ franchises when I did this)
I call it the Logical Popularity Roster
First and foremost, I will add characters who have at least 1000 votes, or higher regardless of how many characters are already from that franchise. (So if five Kirby characters were this high, they would get in no matter what) Getting this many votes is pretty dificult feat for most characters, so I figure if they are this popular, include them no matter what.
This has left us with Brawl cast with the addition of Ridley, Rosalina, Mewtwo, Palutena, Dixie, King K Rool, Chrom, Megaman, Wii Fit Trainer, Villager, and Little Mac.
This leaves us with 49 characters included. Now, for fun I will round it up to 55. Let’s just say that the game had 5 DLC choices. The criteria for these six characters will be:
- Popularity
- Does their franchise already have a newcomer?
So we’re firstly going to look at the Smaller franchise section, Kirby, Yoshi, Wario, Star Fox, Mother, F-Zero, Legend Of Zelda, and Third parties. This is what our final roster would look like:
Brawl cast +
Rosalina
King K Rool
Dixie Kong
Mewtwo
Ridley
Krystal
Chrom
Palutena
Villager
Little Mac
Wii Fit Trainer
Megaman
With Skull Kid, Black Shadow, Pac-Man, Shulk, and Isaac as DLC
Notes: solo Charizard, and Greninja are not options on this dated poll, so this result is very likely to change come my next poll.
How would you feel?
Meh....So I looked at my new poll results this morning and had the idea to piece together the roster Smash fans are asking for... with a bit of logical steps to keep us from having too many newcomers from one series. (Mostly looking at the Mario and LoZ franchises when I did this)
I call it the Logical Popularity Roster
First and foremost, I will add characters who have at least 1000 votes, or higher regardless of how many characters are already from that franchise. (So if five Kirby characters were this high, they would get in no matter what) Getting this many votes is pretty dificult feat for most characters, so I figure if they are this popular, include them no matter what.
This has left us with Brawl cast with the addition of Ridley, Rosalina, Mewtwo, Palutena, Dixie, King K Rool, Chrom, Megaman, Wii Fit Trainer, Villager, and Little Mac.
This leaves us with 49 characters included. Now, for fun I will round it up to 55. Let’s just say that the game had 5 DLC choices. The criteria for these six characters will be:
- Popularity
- Does their franchise already have a newcomer?
So we’re firstly going to look at the Smaller franchise section, Kirby, Yoshi, Wario, Star Fox, Mother, F-Zero, Legend Of Zelda, and Third parties. This is what our final roster would look like:
Brawl cast +
Rosalina
King K Rool
Dixie Kong
Mewtwo
Ridley
Krystal
Chrom
Palutena
Villager
Little Mac
Wii Fit Trainer
Megaman
With Skull Kid, Black Shadow, Pac-Man, Shulk, and Isaac as DLC
Notes: solo Charizard, and Greninja are not options on this dated poll, so this result is very likely to change come my next poll.
How would you feel?
Oh, by "Gun Blade" I thought you were referring to something else. Well, that makes sense.Let me explain the Gun Blade.
Gun Blade is one of Sol Badguy's special attacks. It's a ground based projectile where Sol releases a stream of fire that goes across the stage and hits multiple times. The attack is designed to allow Sol a window of opportunity to preform his signature rushdown playstyle. There are also different versions of it, like the Dragon Install version causes an explosion that is fairly spammable and Order Soul has it as an overdrive instead.
I saw Ike should have an attack like gun Blade because, frankly, Ike's ground options are very limited. He has his very effective jab, and that's about it. His tilts are very laggy and his throws are pretty weak. So with the option to have a projectile to open up more options for both spacing and approaching, I think it would be appropriate.
In general, Ike just needs options to make him less one dimensional. I wouldn't mind if Quick Draw was adjusted to be more like Project M, or hell I think making the tilts faster and the throws more versatile would be a step forward.
PositivesSo I looked at my new poll results this morning and had the idea to piece together the roster Smash fans are asking for... with a bit of logical steps to keep us from having too many newcomers from one series. (Mostly looking at the Mario and LoZ franchises when I did this)
I call it the Logical Popularity Roster
First and foremost, I will add characters who have at least 1000 votes, or higher regardless of how many characters are already from that franchise. (So if five Kirby characters were this high, they would get in no matter what) Getting this many votes is pretty dificult feat for most characters, so I figure if they are this popular, include them no matter what.
This has left us with Brawl cast with the addition of Ridley, Rosalina, Mewtwo, Palutena, Dixie, King K Rool, Chrom, Megaman, Wii Fit Trainer, Villager, and Little Mac.
This leaves us with 49 characters included. Now, for fun I will round it up to 55. Let’s just say that the game had 5 DLC choices. The criteria for these six characters will be:
- Popularity
- Does their franchise already have a newcomer?
So we’re firstly going to look at the Smaller franchise section, Kirby, Yoshi, Wario, Star Fox, Mother, F-Zero, Legend Of Zelda, and Third parties. This is what our final roster would look like:
Brawl cast +
Rosalina
King K Rool
Dixie Kong
Mewtwo
Ridley
Krystal
Chrom
Palutena
Villager
Little Mac
Wii Fit Trainer
Megaman
With Skull Kid, Black Shadow, Pac-Man, Shulk, and Isaac as DLC
Notes: solo Charizard, and Greninja are not options on this dated poll, so this result is very likely to change come my next poll.
How would you feel?
Nobody else gives F-Zero love either, tis a shame.Nobody gives Custom Robo love. Apparently 6 games across 3 generations and cameos in 2 previous Smash games doesn't make you more popular than old school reps or characters with only one game.
Why would you expect diversity from a roster based on popularity? This roster would "overall" please Smash fans. I would like to reach out to further parts of the globe, with a more broadened net (Using sites like Facebook, twitter, ect) This roster is made up mostly of Smashboards, Reddit, 4chan, and NeoGaf users, with the remaining 19% or coming from everywhere in between.Meh....
I was expecting more diversity.
Chrom will only get more popular as time goes on, or at least for the next year or two. Since Awakening's announcement he has been slowly gaining traction, and even managed to dethrone Roy late last year. Roy had a monopoly as the FE character choice for a long time. I could talk about Smash popularity trends all day, so I'll just leave it at this: Chrom ain't goin anywhere.I find this roster interesting, yet I wish the poll it was taken from wasn't so outdated. Still, Chrom, Shulk, Mewtwo, AND Isaac? Sign me up even if we do get Krystal.
F-Zero has plenty of love, we just all know it's hopeless.Nobody else gives F-Zero love either, tis a shame.
Oh how come I didn't included Kirby?! I'll edit my postI don't think we can assume which characters will be the starters though. If I'm not mistaken, Kirby was never playable in any of the Brawl demos, and yet he was a starter.
I would explode in sheer joy, and send candy and rainbows raining across the entire world.So I looked at my new poll results this morning and had the idea to piece together the roster Smash fans are asking for... with a bit of logical steps to keep us from having too many newcomers from one series. (Mostly looking at the Mario and LoZ franchises when I did this)
I call it the Logical Popularity Roster
First and foremost, I will add characters who have at least 1000 votes, or higher regardless of how many characters are already from that franchise. (So if five Kirby characters were this high, they would get in no matter what) Getting this many votes is pretty dificult feat for most characters, so I figure if they are this popular, include them no matter what.
This has left us with Brawl cast with the addition of Ridley, Rosalina, Mewtwo, Palutena, Dixie, King K Rool, Chrom, Megaman, Wii Fit Trainer, Villager, and Little Mac.
This leaves us with 49 characters included. Now, for fun I will round it up to 55. Let’s just say that the game had 5 DLC choices. The criteria for these six characters will be:
- Popularity
- Does their franchise already have a newcomer?
So we’re firstly going to look at the Smaller franchise section, Kirby, Yoshi, Wario, Star Fox, Mother, F-Zero, Legend Of Zelda, and Third parties. This is what our final roster would look like:
Brawl cast +
Rosalina
King K Rool
Dixie Kong
Mewtwo
Ridley
Krystal
Chrom
Palutena
Villager
Little Mac
Wii Fit Trainer
Megaman
With Skull Kid, Black Shadow, Pac-Man, Shulk, and Isaac as DLC
Notes: solo Charizard, and Greninja are not options on this dated poll, so this result is very likely to change come my next poll.
How would you feel?
The biggest problem against Ray MK is that he's a character based entirely around customization. Making him playable with a set moveset would be terrible representation of his character and series. I'm aware that there is going to be slight customization, but I don't believe he'd actually be switching weapons, and even if he did, he'd only get two or three different versions of each part, which just looks pathetic. I love Ray MK, but I don't think he's fit for Smash Bros.Nobody gives Custom Robo love. Apparently 6 games across 3 generations and cameos in 2 previous Smash games doesn't make you more popular than old school reps or characters with only one game.
That's a pretty weak argument against Ray.The biggest problem against Ray MK is that he's a character based entirely around customization. Making him playable with a set moveset would be terrible representation of his character and series. I'm aware that there is going to be slight customization, but I don't believe he'd actually be switching weapons, and even if he did, he'd only get two or three different versions of each part, which just looks pathetic. I love Ray MK, but I don't think he's fit for Smash Bros.
Do any of the RPG characters like the Pokemon or the Fire Emblem characters suffer because you can't customize them? Do Link or Samus suffer as fighters because you can't explore or upgrade as you play? Has Pit been robbed because of all the many, many weapons in Uprising, he only got one Fist, one Bow, and one Orbitar? How does this make any sense? Custom Robos don't even switch weapons in-battle, they're just customizable characters. I'm fairly certain I could replay through the entirety of the Gamecube game or Arena without ever changing a single piece, while I know for certain I couldn't play any Zeldas without changing swords at some point or another (except Four Swords and Four Swords Adventures).The biggest problem against Ray MK is that he's a character based entirely around customization. Making him playable with a set moveset would be terrible representation of his character and series. I'm aware that there is going to be slight customization, but I don't believe he'd actually be switching weapons, and even if he did, he'd only get two or three different versions of each part, which just looks pathetic. I love Ray MK, but I don't think he's fit for Smash Bros.
Sadly, I think you yourself outlined the reason we won't be getting Ray right here. You, me, and the other 38 fans will just have to lie neglected in the corner until a custom robo revival.of the 40 remaining Custom Robo fans
I'd definetly buy the DLC. Solid roster.So I looked at my new poll results this morning and had the idea to piece together the roster Smash fans are asking for... with a bit of logical steps to keep us from having too many newcomers from one series. (Mostly looking at the Mario and LoZ franchises when I did this)
I call it the Logical Popularity Roster
First and foremost, I will add characters who have at least 1000 votes, or higher regardless of how many characters are already from that franchise. (So if five Kirby characters were this high, they would get in no matter what) Getting this many votes is pretty dificult feat for most characters, so I figure if they are this popular, include them no matter what.
This has left us with Brawl cast with the addition of Ridley, Rosalina, Mewtwo, Palutena, Dixie, King K Rool, Chrom, Megaman, Wii Fit Trainer, Villager, and Little Mac.
This leaves us with 49 characters included. Now, for fun I will round it up to 55. Let’s just say that the game had 5 DLC choices. The criteria for these six characters will be:
- Popularity
- Does their franchise already have a newcomer?
So we’re firstly going to look at the Smaller franchise section, Kirby, Yoshi, Wario, Star Fox, Mother, F-Zero, Legend Of Zelda, and Third parties. This is what our final roster would look like:
Brawl cast +
Rosalina
King K Rool
Dixie Kong
Mewtwo
Ridley
Krystal
Chrom
Palutena
Villager
Little Mac
Wii Fit Trainer
Megaman
With Skull Kid, Black Shadow, Pac-Man, Shulk, and Isaac as DLC
Notes: solo Charizard, and Greninja are not options on this dated poll, so this result is very likely to change come my next poll.
How would you feel?
There is diversity.Meh....
I was expecting more diversity.
Well, it has all of my favourite characters, plus more, so it's hard to find a fault. I can do without Krystal or Skull Kid thoughSo I looked at my new poll results this morning and had the idea to piece together the roster Smash fans are asking for... with a bit of logical steps to keep us from having too many newcomers from one series. (Mostly looking at the Mario and LoZ franchises when I did this)
I call it the Logical Popularity Roster
First and foremost, I will add characters who have at least 1000 votes, or higher regardless of how many characters are already from that franchise. (So if five Kirby characters were this high, they would get in no matter what) Getting this many votes is pretty dificult feat for most characters, so I figure if they are this popular, include them no matter what.
This has left us with Brawl cast with the addition of Ridley, Rosalina, Mewtwo, Palutena, Dixie, King K Rool, Chrom, Megaman, Wii Fit Trainer, Villager, and Little Mac.
This leaves us with 49 characters included. Now, for fun I will round it up to 55. Let’s just say that the game had 5 DLC choices. The criteria for these six characters will be:
- Popularity
- Does their franchise already have a newcomer?
So we’re firstly going to look at the Smaller franchise section, Kirby, Yoshi, Wario, Star Fox, Mother, F-Zero, Legend Of Zelda, and Third parties. This is what our final roster would look like:
Brawl cast +
Rosalina
King K Rool
Dixie Kong
Mewtwo
Ridley
Krystal
Chrom
Palutena
Villager
Little Mac
Wii Fit Trainer
Megaman
With Skull Kid, Black Shadow, Pac-Man, Shulk, and Isaac as DLC
Notes: solo Charizard, and Greninja are not options on this dated poll, so this result is very likely to change come my next poll.
How would you feel?
As sad and true as that may be, I still like to think he might at least be on Sakurai's mind given the Robo's appearances in previous Smash games.Sadly, I think you yourself outlined the reason we won't be getting Ray right here. You, me, and the other 38 fans will just have to lie neglected in the corner until a custom robo revival.
OH GOD MAKE IT STOP! IT HURTS TOO MUCH TO LAUGH!!Shadow (Not as playable, but as an alternate skin for Sonic)