Character Discussion Thread

[Spinosaurus]

You know what I hate? When people say a certain character is bad,and they haven't even played that character at all.

Especially when it came to Olimar and Diddy,

I never saw anyone say Diddy is bad but I still see my share of people who thik Olimar and Ice Climbers are ass compared to idk, Ike. lol

 

[Morbi]

You know, I'd ask for Ephraim. I'd ask for Hector. I'd ask for Lyn.

But I know I'm getting Chrom.

It is humorous, I remember when I used to support Chrom when I first joined Smashboards. I was ridiculed because of "muh recency;" however, as we get closer to release, everyone is coming to terms with the most logical possibility. The odd thing though, as we approach release... I doubt Chrom more and more.

 

[Second Power]

Every FE character in no particular order > Chrom > no 3rd rep

 

[Rockaphin]

Top 5 FE Newcomers:

1. Robin
2. Anna
3. Lyn
4. Black Knight
5. Chrom

But I don't have much of an opinion for Fire Emblem. I still need to play one. . .

 

[Spinosaurus]

As much as I hate Chrom, I actually want to see what he could bring to the table. I don't think he'll be bland just because he carries a sword, on the contrary, I think he could fill a more "proper" swordsman style wich I'd love to see.

 

[andimidna]

It is humorous, I remember when I used to support Chrom when I first joined Smashboards. I was ridiculed because of "muh recency;" however, as we get closer to release, everyone is coming to terms with the most logical possibility. The odd thing though, as we approach release... I doubt Chrom more and more.

Yea, when I first came here I supported Chrom but you guys brainwashed me
But I didn't think he was very likely.

Now I think he's almost definite and want nothing to do with him.

 

[Jerry Applesauce]

I REALLY hope "they" (Sakurai/Bandai Namco) are smart enough to NOT put Chrom in. Totally not deserving as a playable character on so many explainable and unexplainable levels. I bet most of the Chrom support comes from people who have only played Awakening, or have played Awakening as their first FE game. Which is understandable, but not logical when disregarding the other FE games and characters.

 

[Spinosaurus]

Awakening is kind of a **** game but honestly, considering its importance, there's really no reason to put the main character (don't you dare) of the best selling game in series in Smash.

 

[Morbi]

I REALLY hope "they" (Sakurai/Bandai Namco) are smart enough to NOT put Chrom in. Totally not deserving as a playable character on so many explainable and unexplainable levels. I bet most of the Chrom support comes from people who have only played Awakening, or have played Awakening as their first FE game. Which is understandable, but not logical when disregarding the other FE games and characters.

I honestly find it to be completely and utterly the opposite, Sakurai would be intelligent to include Chrom. It is not about choosing the most suitable Fire Emblem character, it is about choosing one of the most prominent Fire Emblem characters, a character that could potentially incite sales, a character that they already heavily market. I mean, the only other feasible suggestions seem to be Lyn, Roy, Anna, and Robin. Is there a character that comes into your mind that is more "deserving" than Mr. Promotional?

 

[Autumn ♫]

Awakening is kind of a **** game but honestly, considering its importance, there's really no reason to put the main character (don't you dare) of the best selling game in series in Smash.

There's 3 main characters though, Lucina, Chrom, and Robin.

 

[DMurr]

Think Chrom is bland? Just add Lucina, problem solved.

 

[Spinosaurus]

There's 3 main characters though, Lucina, Chrom, and Robin.

What did I just type there.

there's really no reason to put the main character (don't you dare)

The argument is all semantics, so it's not worth bothering about.

 

[Sobreviviente]

All the hate for chrom comes from the "too many swordsman" argument or is just me?

 

[Spinosaurus]

Think Chrom is bland? Just add Lucina, problem solved.

So your solution is to add the other equally bland character? :V

 

[Morbi]

There's 3 main characters though, Lucina, Chrom, and Robin.

I would not really call Lucina a main character though. I do; however, agree with Robin.

 

[DMurr]

So your solution is to add the other equally bland character? :V

I guess it's all relative. Lucina is unique compared to Marth and Ike at least.

I would not really call Lucina a main character though. I do; however, agree with Robin.

Oh she totally is lol. But you just don't know it's her.

 

[Curious Villager]

All the hate for chrom comes from the "too many swordsman" argument or is just me?

Nah, more the "blue haired swordsmen" part. Though probably a little on the sword user part too I guess...

 

[Second Power]

All the hate for chrom comes from the "too many swordsman" argument or is just me?

I don't think it's just 'cause he's a swordsman, but he's rather lacking in the abilities department. He doesn't really do anything special.

 

[Jerry Applesauce]

I've only played Awakening, Shadow Dragon and both the Tellius games, but I do agree on Awakening's inferiority as a game, at least in comparison to those three. The music is excellent but the gameplay is oh so repetitive. Not to mention that I wasn't moved at all by anything in the story like I was when I played Path of Radiance or Radiant Dawn.

Honestly though there isn't a whole lot that is special about Chrom. He wields that Falchion like Marth does and uses Aether like Ike does. I can't see him NOT being derivative of the two of them.

 

[Muster]

Awakening is kind of a **** game but honestly, considering its importance, there's really no reason to put the main character (don't you dare) of the best selling game in series in Smash.

Awakening is also the best rated fire emblem, coming in at a 92 on metacritic with a user score of 9.3. Calling the game **** is pretty much just wrong.

As someone who's played pretty much every english fire emblem sans radiant dawn, i'd confidently say this is the only one i've even been able to tolerate. (and replay 3-4 times before burning out)

 

[MetalMario128]

I'm not even sure what I would want in a third Fire Emblem character any more, to be honest. Chrom, Lucina, Robin all have pretty good arguments here and elsewhere, I wouldn't mind seeing any of them.

 

[Morbi]

Awakening is also the best rated fire emblem, coming in at a 92 on metacritic with a user score of 9.3. Calling the game **** is pretty much just wrong.

How could his opinion possibly be wrong? I thought that opinions were inherently subjective.

 

[DMurr]

Calling Awakening a "sell out" is probably more accurate than calling it a "**** game." But when the life of the series is hanging on it's success.. I'd probably do my best to make it appeal to the widest audience possible, also.

 

[MetalMario128]

How could his opinion possibly be wrong? I thought that opinions were inherently subjective.

I agree. Everybody likes different things.

 

[Muster]

How could his opinion possibly be wrong? I thought that opinions were inherently subjective.

I'm just saying that the "****" game just happens to be the best received in the entire series.

 

[Jerry Applesauce]

I bet it's the music. Maybe the music convinced everyone it's a better game than it actually is. Music is powerful, you know.

 

[Spinosaurus]

I guess it's all relative. Lucina is unique compared to Marth and Ike at least.

You can say the same to Chrom as well, because Lucina is the exact same as him in Awakening.

Awakening is also the best rated fire emblem, coming in at a 92 on metacritic with a user score of 9.3. Calling the game **** is pretty much just wrong.

Meta critic means nothing. Or do you think GTAIV is top 5 material?

Awakening:
-Terrible map design. They're usually empty and wide, with enemy placements being at complete random spots.
-Most of the difficulty comes from same turn reinforcements, often without prior warning. (And when there are, it's never ever a good indication.)
-Despite that, even the littlest grind can make anyone overpowered. Second seals and pair up ultimately break the core formula.
-Repetitive. Repetitive. Repetitive. Awakening sticks with same ideas and never changes up.

It's given a pass of the game is designed around experimentation rather than tactical thinking. By virtue of experimentation the map design is excused (when it shouldn't) because of the endless possibilities you can make out of your team that is made possible out of pair ups and second seals. (This is seriously what EVERYONE praises it for.) The game is accessible unlike other FE games which to first timers think makes it amazing because the core mechanics is still fun, and with that they're not familiar of the good map design the series is pretty much known for. The game is mechanically simple, but not in a good way because all the complexity was clearly stripped down.

I mean, it all comes down to preference. I wouldn't call it a bad game overall per se, but a bad Fire Emblem game? Easily.

 

[MetalMario128]

I don't know, Fire Emblem music has always been pretty good in my opinion, at least.

 

[PlasmaPuffball]

Am I weird for liking Awakening the most out of every Fire Emblem game I've played (which are the first one with Lyn, Sacred Stones, and Path of Radiance)? Is it also weird that I would rather have Lucina over Chrom or everybody else? o_o

 

[Spinosaurus]

Am I weird for liking Awakening the most out of every Fire Emblem game I've played (which are the first one with Lyn, Sacred Stones, and Path of Radiance)? Is it also weird that I would rather have Lucina over Chrom or everybody else? o_o

It's not weird.

Saying "I like Awakening the best" is perfectly fine and hey, encouraged! Varied opinions are great. Saying "Awakening IS the best" on the other hand? That's when I'll have a problem with it.

 

[Jerry Applesauce]

I don't know, Fire Emblem music has always been pretty good in my opinion, at least.

Yeah, not saying Awakening's music is bad. It's actually quite amazing, for the most part, and that's after me listening to the Tellius series' tunes, and those are/were incredible. Barring music, doe, the Tellius series had so much more variety in terms of gameplay, maps, strategies, and objectives, and it was so much more fun.

Am I weird for liking Awakening the most out of every Fire Emblem game I've played (which are the first one with Lyn, Sacred Stones, and Path of Radiance)? Is it also weird that I would rather have Lucina over Chrom or everybody else? o_o

Yeah, I think you're brainwashed by the incredible music. Haha. Just kidding. A little bit. But yeah, if Chrom or Lucina had to get in doe I'd prefer Lucina.

 

[Sobreviviente]

I don't think it's just 'cause he's a swordsman, but he's rather lacking in the abilities department. He doesn't really do anything special.

Thats pretty much what the too many swordsman statement reffers too yes, i agree.

 

[Muster]

You can say the same to Chrom as well, because Lucina is the exact same as him in Awakening.

Not going to go into too much detail, as this is the Character Discussion thread, but the "simplifying for more general audiences" thing has kind of been applying to every game series in recent years, and that in no way makes them bad games. It's always the same complaints about games like SS, Brawl, etc,etc, and frankly, it's grating at best.

 

[Will]

Awakening is kind of a **** game but honestly, considering its importance, there's really no reason to put the main character (don't you dare) of the best selling game in series in Smash.

I guess I'll take Marth and Ike back from the roster,then....

 

[MetalMario128]

Now Shulk, he's a swordsman with some crazy abilities. So is Isaac.

But keeping with Fire Emblem, I think Chrom would be able to be differentiated from Marth and Ike, but it might be more difficult to get away from Marth's moveset. Not much you can do with a sword like that in midair.

 

[Spinosaurus]

Not going to go into too much detail, as this is the Character Discussion thread, but the "simplifying for more general audiences" thing has kind of been applying to every game series in recent years, and that in no way makes them bad games. It's always the same complaints about games like SS, Brawl, etc,etc, and frankly, it's grating at best.

Hence why I specifically said a bad Fire Emblem game.

Though even judging by its own merits, Awakening left me cold. I'm actually not much of a FE fan and I initially didn't care it was different as I was told, until I played it. For what its worth, I think Skyward Sword and Brawl actually do have their design problems, but I like them.

 

[DMurr]

You can say the same to Chrom as well, because Lucina is the exact same as him in Awakening.

In Awakening, yes. I was arguing in comparison to Marth and Ike that she at least is female and has long hair, since everyone seems to think Chrom looks just like Marth and Ike. Her design inherently has a different draw than the other three. I agree though, yes, they are the exact same character in Awakening. I loved her voice actor though. For the record, having Chrom would be good in my book also.

I mean, it all comes down to preference. I wouldn't call it a bad game overall per se, but a bad Fire Emblem game? Easily.

It depends on your standards. For me, the best part of Fire Emblem is the story and the interactions between the characters. The story was simple in Awakening, compared to other Fire Emblem games, yes, but the interactions between the characters and the supports were so much more expanded on than the previous FE games, except maybe the GBA games. At least between the adult characters.. I wasn't completely satisfied with the copy+paste parent/children support conversations.

 

[False Sense]

It is humorous, I remember when I used to support Chrom when I first joined Smashboards. I was ridiculed because of "muh recency;" however, as we get closer to release, everyone is coming to terms with the most logical possibility. The odd thing though, as we approach release... I doubt Chrom more and more.

Oh, now this is interesting. Would you care to elaborate?

 

[Spinosaurus]

It depends on your standards. For me, the best part of Fire Emblem is the story and the interactions between the characters. The story was simple in Awakening, compared to other Fire Emblem games, yes, but the interactions between the characters and the supports were so much more expanded on than the previous FE games, except maybe the GBA games. At least between the adult characters.. I wasn't completely satisfied with the copy+paste parent/children support conversations.

Personal preferences. I actually didn't enjoy the support conversations at all haha. (Stahl's support with FeMU was really lame, for one. Regretted my choice.) But I'm coming off Persona 4, which has a similar thing implemented, but written and done much better imo. Not that that's saying much though, to be fair.

 

[Muster]

Oh, now this is interesting. Would you care to elaborate?

I doubt chrom and the entirety of the Sal leak because i'd actually be really happy with the roster. (100% satisfied if squirtle+ivy are where cuts stop as well)