Character Discussion Thread

[Kenith]

I don't see how the Mii will make every addition worthless.

Because unlike some of us, pretty much every casual would play as them exclusively.

 

[TumblrFamous]

I feel when it comes to Snake and Pac-Man, it's E3 or bust for them. If they're not there, I can't see them being in the game.

 

[Will]

I feel like were grasping at straws with the Ridley one.

Gary,you know it's really based in if Sakurai puts enough effort,right?

2008 Nintendo Power Article asked Sakurai about Ridley,to summarize it,he said it was impossible,but possible depending if he puts his full effort into it.

You just have to hope Sakurai isn't too lazy. Also RIP Nintendo Power,the only magazine I would ever read.

 

[Kenith]

I feel when it comes to Snake and Pac-Man, it's E3 or bust for them. If they're not there, I can't see them being in the game.

I think we're all there, at this point. At least, those who think Snake may be in at all.

 

[Invisible Shiny Bulbasaur]

I feel when it comes to Snake and Pac-Man, it's E3 or bust for them. If they're not there, I can't see them being in the game.

I agree. If we don't see a mini trailer for Snake at E3 like what we saw for Sonic I'll stop expecting him at all.

And yes, Pac-Man would have a good deal of fanfare.

 

[praline]

A heads up: I'd suggest ordering the characters by franchise horizontally rather than vertically when you have 6 Pokémon reps, it makes it a whole lot more organized instead of having 'Puff be so split from the rest.

I really like the roster though, it's pretty much a best case scenario of the Gematsu leak with the addition of Ridley and Isaac, though I'd personally pick K. Rool over Dixie but that's as always up in the air. I'm not sure if Isaac is a bit too much with both Shulk and Chrom being newcomers, but I don't know enough about him to really justify that claim I feel.

I'm not sure if Lucas, Wolf and Snake need to be cut on top of Ivysaur and Squirtle, but if you insist on having 5 cuts I do think they are the most reasonable to ditch. Otherwise I'd at least keep Wolf.

Honestly I'm fine with either Dixie or K. Rool I only put her cause I like her more. Also Isaac, Chrom and Shulk despite all using swords would play entirely different from each other.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Because unlike some of us, pretty much every casual would play as them exclusively.

I'm pretty sure that won't happen unless the Mii has zero learning curve and a very spammable attack.

 

[Kenith]

I'm pretty sure that won't happen unless the Mii has zero learning curve and a very spammable attack.

Well, judging by how all their games play, that may be the case. :D

 

[BluePikmin11]

Well, judging by how all their games play, that may be the case. :D

Nah, you gotta remember that Namco Bandai is involved. I doubt that will be the case.

 

[Kenith]

I still don't the merits of Miis when we have Villager. The only real reason to include them is to have your face in a game, and really, can't we just insert Mii faces on the Villager like we did in Animal Crossing?

 

[AncientTobacco]

Answering pretty late, since wasn't around, but thre interview in the original quote was referring to Ness being cut from Melee. There is a reason an information about Ness cut from Brawl isnt around anywhere else, and that's the reason. Now, please, stop spreading disinfo.

Which interview? The two statements are from different sources. The Melee one is from a 2001 interview and the Brawl one is from a 2008 interview.

It seems pretty clearly be referring to Brawl, seeing as it first mentions that Lucas is in the game this time around, and then says they were going to scrap Ness due to that. But then Ness got to stay because Mother 3 wasn't released outside Japan.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Well, judging by how all their games play, that may be the case. :D

That's a really deceptive mentality to have, considering it's highly inconsistent with the characters.

 

[Kenith]

That's a really deceptive mentality to have, considering it's highly inconsistent with the characters.

(Exactly my point)

 

[AncientTobacco]

Which interview? The two statements are from different sources. The Melee one is from a 2001 interview and the Brawl one is from a 2008 interview.

It seems pretty clearly be referring to Brawl, seeing as it first mentions that Lucas is in the game this time around, and then says they were going to scrap Ness due to that. But then Ness got to stay because Mother 3 wasn't released outside Japan.

Looks like the Mother 2 article on Japanese Wikipedia also talks about this, and is a bit more clear about things. This was under the Brawl header:

初代と同じく隠しキャラクターとして登場。本作には『DX』で登場見送りとなったリュカが基本キャラとして登場しており、当初はリュカと世代交代したと思 われていたが、しっかりオープニングに登場している。登場した経緯は『DX』のころの予定どおりリュカのみ登場の案もあったが、『MOTHER3』が海外 で発売される予定が無く[1]、再び登場することになったとのこと。

Which basically confirms what I said.

 

[Sobreviviente]

I still don't the merits of Miis when we have Villager. The only real reason to include them is to have your face in a game, and really, can't we just insert Mii faces on the Villager like we did in Animal Crossing?

I think they will work exactly like that, just to put a mii face on every character, like in nintendo land.

 

[Shagadelic_Baby]

Mii will be treated as a slot, mostly because it's a Nintendo character(s) and that it's a playable character. Aiming to casuals or not, it's still a character, and it takes up a slot.
Edit: We also shouldn't judge a character BEFORE it's been shown. ANYTHING can happen, I'm sure Sakurai won't allow Mii to be Over Powered and "Spammy".

 

[Second Power]

I think they will work exactly like that, just to put a mii face on every character, like in nintendo land.

I sure hope those don't show up in online matches (as in, literally, you won't see the Mii face. It'll only be that on the player's screen). That sounds so obnoxious otherwise.

 

[Deleted member]

Mii will be treated as a slot, mostly because it's a Nintendo character(s) and that it's a playable character. Aiming to casuals or not, it's still a character, and it takes up a slot.

They take up a standard slot in Mario Kart 8, so I don't see why he wouldn't here.

 

[Sobreviviente]

I sure hope those don't show up in online matches (as in, literally, you won't see the Mii face. It'll only be that on the player's screen). That sounds so obnoxious otherwise.

I think they will, you cant change a yoshi or DK without changing the whole body and affecting the moveset.
And not using a mii online is boring.

 

[Shagadelic_Baby]

I think they will, you cant change a yoshi or DK without changing the whole body and affecting the moveset.
And not using a mii online is boring.

And not using a mii online is boring.

wot. Seriously that makes no sense.

 

[Sobreviviente]

And not using a mii online is boring.

wot. Seriously that makes no sense.

Miis are treated as a character, not using a mii online is like not using any other character.
Miis specially, with all that miiverse stuff, will be playable online (if they are).

 

[Second Power]

I'm confused. I thought the initial post meant "You pick Mii, choose an actual character, and then you get that character, their proportions and moveset, just with your face on them." I'm guessing I misinterpreted something?

Edit: If it makes me seem like less of an idiot, I've never seen Nintendo Land so all I had to go on was that post.

 

[ShichibukaiJimbe]

Looks like the Mother 2 article on Japanese Wikipedia also talks about this, and is a bit more clear about things. This was under the Brawl header:Which basically confirms what I said.

Can you even read what is written in said article? It is literally talking about Lucas in DX, which refers to Melee's japanese name, I'm not interpreting it, it's literally what is said. Same goes to your others sources from wikipedia. You really think this kind of information never comes to west when everything else went?

Please, STOP spreading misinfo

Edit to complement:

初代と同じく隠しキャラクターとして登場。本作には『DX』で登場見送りとなったリュカが基本キャラとして登場しており、当初はリュカと世代交代したと思 われていたが、しっかりオープニングに登場している。登場した経緯は『DX』のころの予定どおりリュカのみ登場の案もあったが、『MOTHER3』が海外 で発売される予定が無く[1]、再び登場することになったとのこと。

It literally talks about how Lucas was planned to DX but dropped because of the cancellation of the game. Then he ended up added on the later game anyway even with Mother 3 not being released overseas. And that's basically what is said.

 

[Sobreviviente]

I'm confused. I thought the initial post meant "You pick Mii, choose an actual character, and then you get that character, their proportions and moveset, just with your face on them." I'm guessing I misinterpreted something?

Edit: If it makes me seem like less of an idiot, I've never seen Nintendo Land so all I had to go on was that post.

Yes, thats what im saying, and something like that will still be treated as a character in the rest of the game, which means a slot (i guess, is easier to use that way). Namco also tend to use this kind of characters.

Havent played nintendo land neither, i just see them wearing a samus armour and thought "that would makes sense".

 

[domokl]

The fake leaks are here and more are coming. Oh boy!

 

[Second Power]

Yes, thats what im saying, and something like that will still be treated as a character in the rest of the game, which means a slot (i guess, is easier to use that way). Namco also tend to use this kind of characters.

Havent played nintendo land neither, i just see them wearing a samus armour and thought "that would makes sense".

Okay, think I got it now. Though, thinking, this might be unlikely as with characters like Charizard, you simply can't change them to fit a Mii head on them without it looking... terrible...

 

[Sobreviviente]

Okay, think I got it now. Though, thinking, this might be unlikely as with characters like Charizard, you simply can't change them to fit a Mii head on them without it looking... terrible...

 

[Louie G.]

He said WITHOUT them looking terrible.

 

[fuljak]

You guys realize that a selected character box can animate right?

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

You guys realize that a selected character box can animate right?

Yeah, but it hasn't happened like that ever since the first Smash. Would be nice to have it return though

 

[Second Power]

Wish I could unsee that, so badly.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

He said WITHOUT them looking terrible.

I think he was just trying to add to the other guy's point that they do in-fact look silly with those costumes.

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[Invisible Shiny Bulbasaur]

I'm still not convinced Miis will be playable, for a few simple reasons.
For one, Miis have always been depicted in the least violent situations possible. They are never physically harmed. Look at Find Mii, for example. The worst thing that happens to the Miis is that game is they get scared and run away. They never get attacked. Unless you count Boxing in Wii Sports, which was still the least violent boxing game I've ever seen. So why, after years of such sensitive treatment, would they now be in a game where they can take a sword or a bomb to the face?

Next, as I've said before, there are the privacy problems. I can't see the ultra conservative Nintendo allowing people to use just any Mii face online. How else will they prevent endless me vs. Copyrighted character vs. Hitler vs. Butt-for-a-face dream fights?
Look at how strictly Miiverse is moderated. Check Mii Out Channel died out for a reason. That reason is that people are idiots and they can't be trusted with that much freedom in anonymous, penalty-free environment.
So custom Miis would likely only be allowed in matches between friends, like custom movesets.
Generic Miis with uniform movesets would be the only logical solution, at least online.
Which could happen. But what would be the point? I guess people would still enjoy custom Miis in local matches.

Even so, Nintendo is very image-conscious.
True, this is the game series where Nintendo's mascot can use a baseball bat to knock women and children into lava. But does Nintendo want little Timmy's parents to see him, playing as the devil, knock his sister into the lava with a baseball bat?
I really doubt it. This is the company that killed SwapNote because of the actions of a few.

 

[Sobreviviente]

He said WITHOUT them looking terrible.

i know -o-

I kinda like it though, is hillarius.

 

[Kenith]

He said WITHOUT them looking terrible.

And just like that, you are my favorite user.

 

[Floor]

I'm still not convinced Miis will be playable, for a few simple reasons.
For one, Miis have always been depicted in the least violent situations possible. They are never physically harmed. Look at Find Mii, for example. The worst thing that happens to the Miis is that game is they get scared and run away. They never get attacked. Unless you count Boxing in Wii Sports, which was still the least violent boxing game I've ever seen. So why, after years of such sensitive treatment, would they now be in a game where they can take a sword or a bomb to the face?

Next, as I've said before, there are the privacy problems. I can't see the ultra conservative Nintendo allowing people to use just any Mii face online. How else will they prevent endless me vs. Copyrighted character vs. Hitler vs. Butt-for-a-face dream fights?
Look at how strictly Miiverse is moderated. Check Mii Out Channel died out for a reason. That reason is that people are idiots and they can't be trusted with that much freedom in anonymous, penalty-free environment.
So custom Miis would likely only be allowed in matches between friends, like custom movesets.
Generic Miis with uniform movesets would be the only logical solution, at least online.
Which could happen. But what would be the point? I guess people would still enjoy custom Miis in local matches.

Even so, Nintendo is very image-conscious.
True, this is the game series where Nintendo's mascot can use a baseball bat to knock women and children into lava. But does Nintendo want little Timmy's parents to see him, playing as the devil, knock his sister into the lava with a baseball bat?
I really doubt it. This is the company that killed SwapNote because of the actions of a few.

I have to say you made a great argument. I've thought about the whole "violence" issue, but not in the stand point with Timmy. That's something I dislike about society as a whole to be honest. The whole "our son is virtually beating people up" thing. It's a game, but people take it seriously.

 

[False Sense]

I'm still not convinced Miis will be playable, for a few simple reasons.
For one, Miis have always been depicted in the least violent situations possible. They are never physically harmed. Look at Find Mii, for example. The worst thing that happens to the Miis is that game is they get scared and run away. They never get attacked. Unless you count Boxing in Wii Sports, which was still the least violent boxing game I've ever seen. So why, after years of such sensitive treatment, would they now be in a game where they can take a sword or a bomb to the face?

Next, as I've said before, there are the privacy problems. I can't see the ultra conservative Nintendo allowing people to use just any Mii face online. How else will they prevent endless me vs. Copyrighted character vs. Hitler vs. Butt-for-a-face dream fights?
Look at how strictly Miiverse is moderated. Check Mii Out Channel died out for a reason. That reason is that people are idiots and they can't be trusted with that much freedom in anonymous, penalty-free environment.
So custom Miis would likely only be allowed in matches between friends, like custom movesets.
Generic Miis with uniform movesets would be the only logical solution, at least online.
Which could happen. But what would be the point? I guess people would still enjoy custom Miis in local matches.

Even so, Nintendo is very image-conscious.
True, this is the game series where Nintendo's mascot can use a baseball bat to knock women and children into lava. But does Nintendo want little Timmy's parents to see him, playing as the devil, knock his sister into the lava with a baseball bat?
I really doubt it. This is the company that killed SwapNote because of the actions of a few.

Yes, that's a rather interesting perspective. Add that onto a couple of pieces of evidence against Miis present in Smash itself, and the Miis start to look rather unlikely.

 

[Kenith]

I'm still not convinced Miis will be playable, for a few simple reasons.
For one, Miis have always been depicted in the least violent situations possible. They are never physically harmed. Look at Find Mii, for example. The worst thing that happens to the Miis is that game is they get scared and run away. They never get attacked. Unless you count Boxing in Wii Sports, which was still the least violent boxing game I've ever seen. So why, after years of such sensitive treatment, would they now be in a game where they can take a sword or a bomb to the face?

Next, as I've said before, there are the privacy problems. I can't see the ultra conservative Nintendo allowing people to use just any Mii face online. How else will they prevent endless me vs. Copyrighted character vs. Hitler vs. Butt-for-a-face dream fights?
Look at how strictly Miiverse is moderated. Check Mii Out Channel died out for a reason. That reason is that people are idiots and they can't be trusted with that much freedom in anonymous, penalty-free environment.
So custom Miis would likely only be allowed in matches between friends, like custom movesets.
Generic Miis with uniform movesets would be the only logical solution, at least online.
Which could happen. But what would be the point? I guess people would still enjoy custom Miis in local matches.

Even so, Nintendo is very image-conscious.
True, this is the game series where Nintendo's mascot can use a baseball bat to knock women and children into lava. But does Nintendo want little Timmy's parents to see him, playing as the devil, knock his sister into the lava with a baseball bat?
I really doubt it. This is the company that killed SwapNote because of the actions of a few.

This argument is very sound. These are so me of my thoughts on Miis verbatim.

 

[hotcrumpets]

Do we know that the "y leak" is made by the same guy who posted the original roster leak, also the Ridley icon looks different then the rest because ridley is selected, marth was not.

 

[Sobreviviente]

Smash is rated T anyways, a child shouldnt be playing something like smash in first place.
Adding a mii is almos like adding pikachu by that logic.