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How do you know they weren't invited?

Villager appeared out of nowhere in the middle of Mario and Bowser's fight. If not for that scene at the beginning, you wouldn't have known Villager had received an invitation.

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When I said invite, I meant via envelope, visibly in the trailer. Which is probably because receiving mail is part of Animal Crossing, so it is only clever in that context. I guess it probably would have looked silly if every newcomer showed up with an envelope.
 
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I'm going to try to guess the amount the roster will have. From an estimate,I can guess from maybe at a start of 42 to a stop at 48.

Just a guess,I'll take 43. Cause why the hell not?
 

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I'm not sure if the leak is real or not, but 50/51 characters would be a pretty decent roster size. No complaints here.

I tried to make a roster based on this leak:

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I don't think I forgot anyone important while making this roster, but I can easily see Snake, Wolf or Isaac being replaced by Takamaru or some other newcomer. I can also see Chrom being replaced by a different FE rep. I'm not sure if there is random icon, so it might be 51 character roster instead of 50. The rest of the roster seems likely and follows the leak.
 

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Evidence just keeps on rolling.
Agh! I want it to stop! Debunk please!!
(But keep on updating the thread, I want to know what's going on, I just don't want it to happen)

You think that's rude?
I'd bet that Greninja stole his invite from Mewtwo. Now that's rude. :troll:
Now we just need to hope our favorite thief Anna can steal Chrom's invitation!
 

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https://i.imgur.com/ijt52oj.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/OzLHRQQ.jpg
https://imgur.com/UaAv4yn

Saw these posted on facebook. If you look, two of the screens have a different character selection (MegaMan, Little Mac). That alone makes it seem fake to me.

EDIT: Also, one of the screens has something to the left of Pit (blue character ending with a 'Y')
I think it's fake. I wouldn't mind seeing it as the actual roster, though. It's visually appealing, and judging by the separation, the cast appears to be balanced among series. I suspect that the character behind Pit is Ridley. The blue thing is most likely just the selector thingy.
 

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The one with Mac and Megaman is the tourney invitational version of the SSB4 apparently.
That strikes me as an argument somebody would make only after realizing their error. Why would you give a separate selection to the competitors than the average, run-of-the-mill players?

In fact, I would argue it makes less sense to give the competitive side more characters. If you wanted a competition where the people playing have never played the game before, giving them a smaller roster of balanced characters makes more sense. Even from a promotional standpoint: if you give them too many characters to showcase, they might not all get played, and it leaves viewers wanting as well as wasting space.

As with every leak thus far, not convinced, yet not entirely discrediting it.

I think it's fake. I wouldn't mind seeing it as the actual roster, though. It's visually appealing, and judging by the separation, the cast appears to be balanced among series. I suspect that the character behind Pit is Ridley. The blue thing is most likely just the selector thingy.
I agree, it looks sizable enough to be fulfilling and indeed is aesthetically pleasing. Interesting thought on the Ridley, too, hadn't really thought of who it could be, but that's possible it was the idea.

Nonetheless, I still don't believe it.
 

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I'm not sure if the leak is real or not, but 50/51 characters would be a pretty decent roster size. No complaints here.

I tried to make a roster based on this leak:

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I don't think I forgot anyone important while making this roster, but I can easily see Snake, Wolf or Isaac being replaced by Takamaru or some other newcomer. I can also see Chrom being replaced by a different FE rep. I'm not sure if there is random icon, so it might be 51 character roster instead of 50. The rest of the roster seems likely and follows the leak.
Despite lacking my most wanted character, and having one of my least, this roster is pretty solid.

No, I didn't say that just because Snake is on it.
 

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I agree, it looks sizable enough to be fulfilling and indeed is aesthetically pleasing. Interesting thought on the Ridley, too, hadn't really thought of who it could be, but that's possible it was the idea.

Nonetheless, I still don't believe it.
Also, I forgot to mention how on the bottom left hand corner of that same shot, we see that player two's character is indeed from the Metroid series.

Overall, I think it LOOKS, I WANT it be to real......I REALLY want it to be real, but I don't think it is. I think its downfall is actually Ridley. I think this has to be a demo (some odd choices for unlockables), but Ridley is only in one shot. That doesn't add up.
 
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Am i the only one who finds this layout to be incredibly ugly? Its too wide, and too bland for me.

Also, in one of the original two pictures, in the top right, whats with the colors option?
 

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I still am having a hard time believing these picture leaks. I want to. I really do, but the fact that he can't get a good picture of the whole screen is incredibly frustrating.

Like, I can believe the Sal leak and its "errors" like not showing all six characters at E3, not mentioning Rosalina, etc. Those can be explained with theories and ideas. Plans change, he may have outdated info, blah blah.

But this! These are picture leaks. How freakin' hard would it be to get a full picture of the screen? Honestly, I'm being serious right now. Why is it this guy can get super up close to the screen with his camera or phone camera, but can't do so from a distance? It just doesn't make sense to me.
 

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What was even the point of the most recent picture of the "leak"?

It had Mario, Luigi, Peach, Link, Zelda, Pikachu, Charizard, Lucario, Samus, and Yoshi.
All of those characters were already shown before, now he's just hurting himself with more, clearer photos.

Does anybody seriously believe LUIGI will be unlocked before BOWSER?!
Bowser is always a starter. Luigi is usually unlockable.
And wasn't Bowser in Brawl's demo?
Wait, isn't the point of a demo to NOT have characters unlocked? It's supposed to be a restricted selection of separate content?
Doesn't it debunk itself, really, how are we considering this? It already doesn't add up, it doesn't matter if some guy keeps on adding pictures of veterans onto his roster, there's still nothing to support it except...
Well...
The design of the lock looks nice I guess? Is that even a point?
 

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So if we assume this leak is real which might not be the case then we can assume that
1) Ridley is indeed playable (I didn't need the leak to know that)
2) Mewtwo returns, although that was indirectly confirmed months ago
3) There is a 3rd DK character
4) There is a 3rd Fire Emblem character
5) Palutena confirmed (she was already a lock in anyway)
6) No Zelda newcomer
7) Mario doesn't get a 6th rep
Ridley and Mewtwo are in the leak so I could be happy with it, sadly it might be fake
 

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Am i the only one who finds this layout to be incredibly ugly? Its too wide, and too bland for me.

Also, in one of the original two pictures, in the top right, whats with the colors option?
You're not the only one.
It's so wide it just looks stupid to me, like it would be way too small to see on any TV that isn't gigantic. Poor use of screen real estate.
 

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Am i the only one who finds this layout to be incredibly ugly? Its too wide, and too bland for me.

Also, in one of the original two pictures, in the top right, whats with the colors option?
I thought of that too, actually. Not specifically disliking it, but can you imagine this selection screen on a 3DS? Particularly the early model, i.e. no XL expansions? What, are the portraits going to be one pixel wide or something? I can't even fathom how that's realistic, even if I do somewhat like the design.
 

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I still am having a hard time believing these picture leaks. I want to. I really do, but the fact that he can't get a good picture of the whole screen is incredibly frustrating.

Like, I can believe the Sal leak and its "errors" like not showing all six characters at E3, not mentioning Rosalina, etc. Those can be explained with theories and ideas. Plans change, he may have outdated info, blah blah.

But this! These are picture leaks. How freakin' hard would it be to get a full picture of the screen? Honestly, I'm being serious right now. Why is it this guy can get super up close to the screen with his camera or phone camera, but can't do so from a distance? It just doesn't make sense to me.
Because, if he stood back far enough we would see that he isn't photographing a television monitor. We would see his computer. On his desk. In his basement. In Oklahoma. Because it's fake.
 

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I thought of that too, actually. Not specifically disliking it, but can you imagine this selection screen on a 3DS? Particularly the early model, i.e. no XL expansions? What, are the portraits going to be one pixel wide or something? I can't even fathom how that's realistic, even if I do somewhat like the design.
Scroll the roster by using touch screen, circle pad, or d-pad maybe? :p
 

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So if we assume this leak is real which might not be the case then we can assume that
1) Ridley is indeed playable (I didn't need the leak to know that)
2) Mewtwo returns, although that was indirectly confirmed months ago
3) There is a 3rd DK character
4) There is a 3rd Fire Emblem character
5) Palutena confirmed (she was already a lock in anyway)
6) No Zelda newcomer
7) Mario doesn't get a 6th rep
Ridley and Mewtwo are in the leak so I could be happy with it, sadly it might be fake
I suppose you could also take the Gematsu leak into account, if you believe that sort of thing. Previous "completed" versions of the roster I've seen take the leak into account, and either the 3rd Donkey Kong character or the 6th Pokemon character has to be left out for it to fit. Make of that what you will, I guess.
 

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Scroll the roster by using touch screen, circle pad, or d-pad maybe? :p
Ehh, potentially. But even still, the largest viewing of the picture shows at least 12 divisions, that would already leave fairly minuscule portraits.

And, if that were the case, I assume you'd see a slider on at least one of the pictures.

I like that you're thinking though. ;)
 

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Didn't have the stamina to go through the last 5 pages but I just wanna debunk the Ridley thing now.

Check the square where you can see the 'y'. Notice how deep blue it is.

Then notice how NOT deep blue Ridley is.

Trying to argue it's the background won't work for me either because the other backgrounds are white.

Now you could say "But Luco what if it's just a counter?" Well sure, the counters are transparent... BUT if you look even more closely you can see that wherever the counter is not it is almost black. Again inconsistent with the backgrounds so it would have to be a character agreed? Is Ridley black? Not so much!

I'd love to see Ridley as much as anyone else. But that, whoever it is or isn't or whether the whole thing is fake or real (I'm personally totally convinced it's a fake btw), is not Ridley.
 
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Didn't have the stamina to go through the last 5 pages but I just wanna debunk the Ridley thing now.

Check the square where you can see the 'y'. Notice how deep blue it is.

Then notice how NOT deep blue Ridley is.

Trying to argue it's the background won't work for me either because the other backgrounds are white.

Now you could say "But Luco what if it's just a counter?" Well that won't work for me too because the counters are transparent and if you look even more closely you can see that wherever the counter is not it is almost black. Again inconsistent with the backgrounds so it would have to be a character agreed? Is Ridley black? Not so much!

I'd love to see Ridley as much as anyone else. But that, whoever it is or isn't or whether the whole thing is fake or real (I'm personally totally convinced it's a fake btw), is not Ridley.
Name a blue and round misc. character that ends in the letter "Y". Also, look at the red counter, and notice how actual not-transparent it is. You can barely see through it in the middle, and almost not at all at the edges.

My final verdict on the leak as whole, though, remains at "Fake" because of the inconcsistency of the locked characters. I firmly believe this would've been the demo, as there are odd choices for unlockables like Diddy Kong and Bowser, most likely the Best Buy demo. With that said, unlockable characters in a demo is highly unlikely, which must make it fake.
 
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I suppose you could also take the Gematsu leak into account, if you believe that sort of thing. Previous "completed" versions of the roster I've seen take the leak into account, and either the 3rd Donkey Kong character or the 6th Pokemon character has to be left out for it to fit. Make of that what you will, I guess.
Nah, Pacman can fit next to megaman, Mii two slots after fox, Palutena next to Pit, Chrom two slots after Marth, Shulk and Chorus Men between Villager and Little Mac
@ Luco Luco Have you considered it is an alt costume like Neo Ridley?
 

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I don't need to.

First of all, my argument was slightly tangental. I do believe the blue thing is a counter because it's somewhat transparent (as seen with the Marth counter). I meant to point out that both through it and around it the picture is more of a black and not necessarily round. I think that opens up the criteria board.

Personally I still believe the whole thing is totally fake.
 

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Nah, Pacman can fit next to megaman, Mii two slots after fox, Palutena next to Pit, Chrom two slots after Marth, Shulk and Chorus Men between Villager and Little Mac
@ Luco Luco Have you considered it is an alt costume like Neo Ridley?
None of the other characters have alt costumes in their little boxes. Why this one?

Guys you're picking at straws which carry the same inconsistency that the picture in itself does. None of them can be verified and its for that reason that i believe this is a fake.

No offense, it's just how i'm seeing it. :p
 
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None of the other characters have alt costumes in their little boxes. Why this one?
Why not? It seems that the metroid guy is being picked by the 2nd player and therefore the guy who is playing could have been cheking the alt costumes when the photo was taken
 
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@Lotus: Unfortunately that doesn't wash. Look at Marth's one - you can quite easily make out his eye under the counter. The blue in the other picture seems to be at about that level of transparency.
 

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If they managed to fit Godzilla in one slot in his games then anything's possible
Sorry man, that doesn't work for me. Nintendo putting in Ridley as a playable character is a pretty awesome idea, but by Sakurai's own words its awkward for them to do so. I've always thought he had a fighting chance but to put in two? There's too many things that scream "off" about that.
 

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So if this is true, there are 50 characters in the game. Assuming that bottom right spot is random.
 
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