Character Discussion Thread

[Morbi]

You should know by now that it all died since Rosalina's inclusion.

Of course, but people were requesting obscure Mario villains, I just found it odd as Bowser Jr. exists.

 

[Maxilian]

whose idea was it to give drifloon that many smilies? Not that I'm complaining...

If you have a problem with it.... you can tell me...

I WON'T HURT YOU!

 

[Hot Uncle Sparky]

It's not out of the question sure, but I still feel like people continually try to even out the amount of characters between series when I hardly think thats how sakurai would even go about it.

I think it's mostly because people think main series Mario needs to have the most reps, and Pokemon would be hogging up the roster if it had 6 out of almost 45.

 

[Morbi]

I think it's mostly because people think main series Mario needs to have the most reps, and Pokemon would be hogging up the roster if it had 6 out of almost 45.

Pokemon had 6 out of 39 in Brawl; it was intended to have 7 out of 40.

 

[Hot Uncle Sparky]

Pokemon had 6 out of 39 in Brawl; it was intended to have 7 out of 40.

No seriously, people really think that.

 

[Maxilian]

Pokemon had 6 out of 39 in Brawl; it was intended to have 7 out of 40.

Yep, my brother always says that Mario have to be the title with more character or at least one of the titles with more characters (no other title can have more character that Mario) but we have Brawl where we have 6 pokemon characters , i know some people would go and say that the Pokemon Trainer was only one character... but no, it wasn't even Sakurai said that there are seen as different character, just like Zelda and Sheik in Brawl and melee

 

[Shorts]

lookin' for suggestions.

Also, would you rather be able to vote for individual characters, or game of origin spots? Ex:

Tails (Sonic The Hedgehog)
Knuckles (Sonic The Hedgehog)
Shadow (Sonic The Hedgehog)

or

2nd Sonic Character (Tails, Knuckles, Shadow)

 

[HylianHeroBigBoss]

It isn't about proportional representation; it is about the notion that Mario had 5 characters in Melee, over a decade ago. The 6th representative could be coming in Smash 4.

But now we have quality over quantity, and with all the offshoot series I think they have their brightest new character in rosalina.

I think it's mostly because people think main series Mario needs to have the most reps, and Pokemon would be hogging up the roster if it had 6 out of almost 45.

Thats how its looked to me when people make their rosters. Although most of it is under the assumption that the pokemon characters we end up with will be the ones people have in mind, when we just dont know, hell we might not even get mewtwo but many wont accept that notion anyway.


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Probably like this

2nd Sonic Character (Tails, Knuckles, Shadow)

But then again, id rather have eggman then any of those characters anyway.

 

[Morbi]

lookin' for suggestions.

Also, would you rather be able to vote for individual characters, or game of origin spots? Ex:

Tails (Sonic The Hedgehog)
Knuckles (Sonic The Hedgehog)
Shadow (Sonic The Hedgehog)

or

2nd Sonic Character (Tails, Knuckles, Shadow)

I would rather vote for specific characters, voting for slots would skew the results.

 

[Will]

lookin' for suggestions.

Also, would you rather be able to vote for individual characters, or game of origin spots? Ex:

Tails (Sonic The Hedgehog)
Knuckles (Sonic The Hedgehog)
Shadow (Sonic The Hedgehog)

or

2nd Sonic Character (Tails, Knuckles, Shadow)

Fulgore (Killer Instinct)

Oh the joy this would bring me.

 

[Morbi]

Fulgore (Killer Instinct)

Oh the joys this would bring me.

Fulgore would probably be the best character in the game; everyone would complain that he doesn't fit into Smash though.

 

[Will]

Fulgore would probably be the best character in the game; everyone would complain that he doesn't fit into Smash though.

Who doesn't want a killer cyborg with plasma claws and a portable Machine Gun helmet?

 

[Morbi]

Who doesn't want a killer cyborg with plasma claws and a portable Machine Gun helmet?

Nintendo fans.

Seriously though, after Snake, I feel as though most contenders are possible.

 

[Bowserlick]

Killer Instinct's roster is laughable. Did not even know it was released.

And here we are hoping for fifty characters and Killer Instinct has 8. Haha.

 

[Maxilian]

Killer Instinct's roster is laughable. Did not even know it was released.

And here we are hoping for fifty characters and Killer Instinct has 8. Haha.

Well even if that's true , Killer Instinct is one of the most balanced (if not the most) figther games

Also... the game with the best training and tutorial

 

[AEMehr]

Do you guys think that 7 characters is likely at all?

It's possible.
We expected 7 characters before Greninja.


But eh, I find it more likely that we see just six this time around.

 

[Morbi]

It's possible.
We expected 7 characters before Greninja.


But eh, I find it more likely that we see just six this time around.

These are pretty much my thoughts verbatim.

 

[Will]

Killer Instinct's roster is laughable. Did not even know it was released.

And here we are hoping for fifty characters and Killer Instinct has 8. Haha.

It's still in development. It's like SSB4,but we get new updates with new items and characters in game,like Minecraft.

 

[Niala]

Well even if that's true , Killer Instinct is one of the most balanced (if not the most) figther games

Also... the game with the best training and tutorial

I'm not sure how true that is, basically because I've never played Killer Instinct. But I'd argue for each extra character on the roster, it gets exponentially more difficult to balance. Balancing a roster of 8 characters isn't really comparable to balancing a roster of 30.

These are pretty much my thoughts verbatim.

^

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

I still highly doubt more Pokemon reps than Mario will ever happen again. I'd be happy to refer back to my mascot principle if needed.

 

[Substitution]

I still highly doubt more Pokemon reps than Mario will ever happen again. I'd be happy to refer back to my mascot principle if needed.

I'd rather not.

 

[TumblrFamous]

I'm afraid to ask... but what's the mascot principle?

 

[ultimatekoopa]

I still highly doubt more Pokemon reps than Mario will ever happen again. I'd be happy to refer back to my mascot principle if needed.

I hope you remember every single time you mention that

 

[Maxilian]

BTW why wasn't Mewtwo in Brawl? i know he was planned and he was almost finished but why didn't he made the cut? was it ever said why, or is just all speculation?

 

[Substitution]

I'm afraid to ask... but what's the mascot principle?

It's some stupid thing that Cliff made that really doesn't exist.
But if you want to know, the "Mascot Principle" says because Mario is the mascot franchise, no other series can go above the number of reps Mario has. Because they aren't the mascot.
So let's say Mario has four reps. Because of this, no one else should go above four, no matter what.

Mind you it's absolute crap with nothing really holding it up and was demolished with Brawl (which he calls a "mistake". It's as rage-inducing and biased as it sounds). But to each their own I guess.

 

[ultimatekoopa]

"Mascot principle" Another ridiculous fanmade rule

 

[Opossum]

It's some stupid thing that Cliff made that really doesn't exist.
But if you want to know, the "Mascot Principle" says because Mario is the mascot franchise, no other series can go above the number of reps Mario has. Because they aren't the mascot.
So let's say Mario has four reps. Because of this, no one else should go above four, no matter what.

Mind you it's absolute crap with nothing really holding it up and was demolished with Brawl (which he calls a "mistake". It's as rage-inducing and biased as it sounds). But to each their own I guess.

This is despite the fact that, even in Brawl, Pokemon and the Legend of Zelda had more characters? That's absurd. And don't give me any of that "transformations don't count" stuff. They do, simple as that.

 

[Louie G.]

Here's an idea.
Move Yoshi and Wario right next to the Mario series.
Then everyone who complains about Mario having less than Pokemon can see this illusion and figure that Yoshi and Wario count as the 6th and 7th reps respectively.

Or you know, take into account all of the representation that Mario gets outside of characters.

The "mascot principle" is pretty darn stupid considering it was already broken in Brawl.
And yes, according to Sakurai himself Pokemon Trainer counts as 3 separate characters.

 

[Substitution]

This is despite the fact that, even in Brawl, Pokemon and the Legend of Zelda had more characters? That's absurd. And don't give me any of that "transformations don't count" stuff. They do, simple as that.

That's the thing, we've told him that. But all he says is "Well Sakurai messed up. He made a mistake and won't do it again."
And that's what really angers me. You know it's bad when this makes "Cause I said so." reasonable. Because at least that shows an opinion. It shows honestly.

But this, this is not only biased on many degrees, but it's downright insulting. This implies that Sakurai screwed up, he failed, he done goofed, he made a mathematical error, and shouldn't make it again. If that's not arrogance, then I don't know what is.

 

[mahnamahna]

Here's an idea.
Move Yoshi and Wario right next to the Mario series.
Then everyone who complains about Mario having less than Pokemon can see this illusion and figure that Yoshi and Wario count as the 6th and 7th reps respectively.

Or you know, take into account all of the representation that Mario gets outside of characters.

The "mascot principle" is pretty darn stupid considering it was already broken in Brawl.
And yes, according to Sakurai himself Pokemon Trainer counts as 3 separate characters.

Is it bad I always thought Yoshi and Wario were Mario reps to begin with?

 

[_fiercedeity]

Is it bad I always thought Yoshi and Wario were Mario reps to begin with?

Lol no, same here.

*back to lurking*

 

[SmasherMaster]

Brawl had planned 7 Legend of Zelda characters and 7/8 Pokemon characters (depending on if Pai_Mai is Plusle and Minun) to Mario's 4.

 

[Louie G.]

Brawl had planned 7 Legend of Zelda characters and 7/8 Pokemon characters (depending on if Pai_Mai is Plusle and Minun) to Mario's 4.

Well for the record Dr. Mario was planned at one point...
But good point nonetheless, if all of the Forbidden 7 made it Mario would still have less than both.

 

[Niala]

Tehnically 5, since Dr. Mario was also planned I believe. But that's aside from the point-- reps are just a fanmade idealistic point of view intended to give some level of certainty to predictions.

Louie tho

 

[FlareHabanero]

I bet if something more minor like Kid Icarus got more characters then everything else, I bet people here would be going hopping mad because their precious oversaturated franchise isn't hogging the spotlight.

 

[Morbi]

Tehnically 5, since Dr. Mario was also planned I believe. But that's aside from the point-- reps are just a fanmade idealistic point of view intended to give some level of certainty to predictions.

Louie tho

Not necessarily; nothing is objective. But do you honestly expect 10 Mario characters in Smash 4? The premise of "representatives" might be a fan-made idealistic perspective; however, it is a logical one. One that illuminates overt constraints and possibilities. To denounce that aspect of speculation would be fallacious in the same way that asserting it as a definitive notion is erroneous.

 

[Depressed Gengar]

I knew Mario was a mascot... but I never knew he was a principal.

 

[False Sense]

I still highly doubt more Pokemon reps than Mario will ever happen again. I'd be happy to refer back to my mascot principle if needed.

It seems the general consensus is "no."

 

[Gune]

I bet if something more minor like Kid Icarus got more characters then everything else, I bet people here would be going hopping made because their precious oversaturated franchise isn't hogging the spotlight.

If the charecters from KI are more deserving then "our precious oversaturated franchise's" then I could care less.

 

[Niala]

Not necessarily; nothing is objective. But do you honestly expect 10 Mario characters in Smash 4? The premise of "representatives" might be a fan-made idealistic perspective; however, it is a logical one. One that illuminates overt constraints and possibilities. To denounce that aspect of speculation would be fallacious in the same way that asserting it as a definitive notion is erroneous.

That may be true, but it's still just an estimation; an attempted projection based on logic. Before Brawl was released, I doubt many people would have assumed the Super Mario franchise would LOSE a representative. And those who did would have been mocked, because it didn't fit into the idealistic point of view as seen by the community. It's well possible that we could be wrong again. You're correct in saying that it's based on logic, but where we don't know how the roster slots are being chosen, our logic can be faulty, because we can be misreading the situation.

That being said, I agree that dismissing the concept entirely, or at all, is asinine. It indeed does make sense, but we need to embrace the possibility that logical outcomes and reality don't always overlap.