Character Discussion Thread

[BluePikmin11]

I'm hoping Pac-Man doesn't replace Snake...

I don't mind him being added but if that also means Snake goes bye bye...gaahh!

There's no such thing as replacing at all.

 

[FlareHabanero]

I'm hoping Pac-Man doesn't replace Snake...

I don't mind him being added but if that also means Snake goes bye bye...gaahh!

Snake going bye bye will be our obligatory scrapped character that causes an uproar.

Oh hello Mewtwo 2: Electric Boogaloo.

 

[Deleted member]

There's no such thing as replacing at all.

???

 

[Joe D.]

Im actually curious about your points on Krystal. I cant really think of any solid arguments against her other than Starfox not getting another character. Granted, that does say quite a bit, but why do you think she will be included? (Im not a huge fan of Krystal, but I certainly dont hate her. SFA was pretty cool.)

Well, i'll try to keep it brief, but i'm not sure if I can fulfill that promise.

Ok, so let me first start by saying that I don't believe in series over representation from my own personal views. The fighters in this game are what intrigues me, and if they bring a flavor to the game, then i'm all for it. With that being said, i don't see the issue with Star Fox having a 4th character.

So now Krystal: First off, i've always been a fan of her, and not for the wrong reasons, I actually like her character. This is because I felt that she had potential, and is a welcomed member of the Star Fox team that I gladly accepted, basically because she didn't annoy me. I always liked that she added some new elements to Star Fox, like a female protagonist, (Kat does not count,) a love interest, (it s a children's game, so an innocent love story isn't an issue, besides Command which isn't canon to me,) and she has specific atributes that not alot of other Star Fox characters have: a tragic and somewhat mysterious backstory, telepathy, and an entire adaptation to new surroundings in 2 different instances (When She first visits Sauria, and when she joins the team.) with these atteibutes, I DESPISE when people claim she's ,"worthless," when she actually contributes to the team, fights with you, and isn't a total fool. Albeit that in Adventures, she was a damsel, but at least they branched her out as a character.

Now for her in Smash: While this isn't of any recency by any means, she was the most popular female before Brawl in the U.S., but I think that poll could've come too late into Brawl's development for her inclusion. ( I could be COMPLETELY wrong on the timing.) I read that the poll was issued by people involved with the games, so if that is indeed true, then I'm sure Mr. Sakurai would've noticed. As far as uniqueness goes, while she has not been shown to wield her staff, it is still HER POSSESION. That gives her all the more right to have a move-set based on that, and i'm certain that it could be unique. Also, if Sakurai did take the time to look at Star Fox characters with unique options, then Krystal would make the most sense out of any of them, since she actualy has more known attributes to contrinute to being a playable character, than the likes of Leon, or Panther. Some say Slippy could be considered, but we know that Fox, and Falco's movesets are based from his apparent design, and since his known character is poor in the combat field, it would be weird to see Slippy turn into the Ultimate Warrior ( r.i.p.) Also, she leaves the possibility of combining her staff based moveset and her weaponry, which could represent her as a whole. Finally, I think she would play an important role in franchise representation, in the case that she is a main love interest, member of the team in general, and can break the pace that Star Fox has set in Smash Brothers.

I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND IF YOU DISAGREE WITH MY POINTS, but I was asked, so I responded

 

[Starcutter]

Nintendo's version of pong called "Color TV Game 15 Console" is obscure, at least from an outside of Japan perspective.

literally the day before the direct I found out what that was.


I felt accomplished when it became an assist, just because I knew what it was.

 

[Deleted member]

Snake going bye bye will be our obligatory scrapped character that causes an uproar.

Oh hello Mewtwo 2: Electric Boogaloo.

It'll be that bad, huh? Geez, guess they weren't kiddin when they said Snake has developed a lot of fans with Brawl.

 

[Muster]

It'll be that bad, huh? Geez, guess they weren't kiddin when they said Snake has developed a lot of fans with Brawl.

The problem with that is that there'll be obligatory snake haters who still think he won't fit in the game despite brawl.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

It'll be that bad, huh? Geez, guess they weren't kiddin when they said Snake has developed a lot of fans with Brawl.

If Snake's not in the new one I may have to start a petition.
But in all seriousness it brought a lot of people into Smash Bros that otherwise wouldn't be interested in it.
Metal Gear fans bought Brawl just because Snake was in it.

 

[Eight Melodies]

It'll be that bad, huh? Geez, guess they weren't kiddin when they said Snake has developed a lot of fans with Brawl.

I actually did become a Metal Gear fan because of Brawl.

 

[NickerBocker]

Well, i'll try to keep it brief, but i'm not sure if I can fulfill that promise.

Ok, so let me first start by saying that I don't believe in series over representation from my own personal views. The fighters in this game are what intrigues me, and if they bring a flavor to the game, then i'm all for it. With that being said, i don't see the issue with Star Fox having a 4th character.

So now Krystal: First off, i've always been a fan of her, and not for the wrong reasons, I actually like her character. This is because I felt that she had potential, and is a welcomed member of the Star Fox team that I gladly accepted, basically because she didn't annoy me. I always liked that she added some new elements to Star Fox, like a female protagonist, (Kat does not count,) a love interest, (it s a children's game, so an innocent love story isn't an issue, besides Command which isn't canon to me,) and she has specific atributes that not alot of other Star Fox characters have: a tragic and somewhat mysterious backstory, telepathy, and an entire adaptation to new surroundings in 2 different instances (When She first visits Sauria, and when she joins the team.) with these atteibutes, I DESPISE when people claim she's ,"worthless," when she actually contributes to the team, fights with you, and isn't a total fool. Albeit that in Adventures, she was a damsel, but at least they branched her out as a character.

Now for her in Smash: While this isn't of any recency by any means, she was the most popular female before Brawl in the U.S., but I think that poll could've come too late into Brawl's development for her inclusion. ( I could be COMPLETELY wrong on the timing.) I read that the poll was issued by people involved with the games, so if that is indeed true, then I'm sure Mr. Sakurai would've noticed. As far as uniqueness goes, while she has not been shown to wield her staff, it is still HER POSSESION. That gives her all the more right to have a move-set based on that, and i'm certain that it could be unique. Also, if Sakurai did take the time to look at Star Fox characters with unique options, then Krystal would make the most sense out of any of them, since she actualy has more known attributes to contrinute to being a playable character, than the likes of Leon, or Panther. Some say Slippy could be considered, but we know that Fox, and Falco's movesets are based from his apparent design, and since his known character is poor in the combat field, it would be weird to see Slippy turn into the Ultimate Warrior ( r.i.p.) Also, she leaves the possibility of combining her staff based moveset and her weaponry, which could represent her as a whole. Finally, I think she would play an important role in franchise representation, in the case that she is a main love interest, member of the team in general, and can break the pace that Star Fox has set in Smash Brothers.

I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND IF YOU DISAGREE WITH MY POINTS, but I was asked, so I responded

Excellent points. Im confident as well that her inclusion would bring a unique moveset. She is completely viable as a character choice, and while I do think she is an option, I cant help but think she will be passed up again. It may indeed be that There are enough characters in Starfox that it may not be as necessary as other highly requested characters. Anyways I digress.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

I actually did become a Metal Gear fan because of Brawl.

Same here I had no idea what Metal Gear was but my cousin had The Twin Snakes so I borrowed it from him.
I've been a Metal Gear fan ever since.

 

[Espio264]

I've got a bunch of random questions.

Has anyone brought up anything about what the Balloon Fight stage might mean towards Tingle's possible inclusion?

Are Mega Lucario and Mega Charizard's eyes glowing yellow in the Greninja trailer?

Does Takamaru's Captain Rainbow inclusion count as him being in a new game?

Since nobody expects Toad anymore, would he be a big enough reveal for E3 if he is in fact playable?

If Jiggly cracks corn and nobody cares, then... Ah, screw it.

 

[Shalashaska]

Are Mega Lucario and Mega Charizard's eyes glowing yellow in the Greninja trailer?

I don't think so, but they could still be Final Smashes. Most transformation FS's don't have that eye glow effect. (Giga Mac, Giga Bowser(?), R.O.B., Mr. Game & Watch, Wario)

 

[Deleted member]

I'm betting on Mii and Pac-Man showing up at E3. It makes too much sense not to reveal them at this time and would be the best time to get people acquainted with them. I expect one more as well, a hype-inducing character. This can be either Mewtwo, K. Rool, Palutena, or in the very off-chance, Ridley.

My opinion on Fire Emblem?
Chrom is going to be the newcomer. Deal with it.
Good night.

Seriously though, I just want Chrom to be revealed already so we can all stop talking about Fire Emblem (unless a FOURTH character comes into the picture).

The discussion was already technically over when Salo leaked him. Now I'm curious to see if they can actually make him interesting. Though I kinda wished Salo hadn't leaked again; I wanted Marshal to be a surprise.

But anyway, at this point, the Fire Emblem discussion is going to boil down to two things; will Ike return and will we get a fourth character (in this case, Roy would probably return)? The former seems very likely, the latter not so much.

What is it that Chrom supporters say again? "Anything can change?"

I very much dislike the idea that Chrom is inevitable. He may be the most likely, but he's not some shoo-in.

He might as well be since there's nothing to disprove the Gematsu's leak. Otherwise, I would agree. I'll admit, I wish Sakurai hadn't gone with the most expected choice for the series this time around. Would have been seriously nice to see an upset. Hopefully Sakurai will actually use weapons from Chrom's different class to set him apart from the rest; else I don't see him turning out well (at least in comparison to what we've already seen).

Snake going bye bye will be our obligatory scrapped character that causes an uproar.

Oh hello Mewtwo 2: Electric Boogaloo.

I've made peace to Snake's fate a long time ago. I just can't see Snake coming back at this point. With third-party status (and third-parties being a huge hassle to deal with), being obviously not on the same league as Sonic and indication that Sakurai and Kojima have not contacted each other, Snake will probably end up being one of the very few cuts this game sees (the other being Ivysaur and Squirtle). In the long run, it's probably a good thing if those three were our sacrifices; it would be much worse to lose Ike (not that Snake's inclusion would cause Ike to be cut) and at least no one got cut for **** reasoning.

 

[Andinus]

If Snake goes, and my gut says he will, I hope he is replaced with Simon Belmont, which my gut says he won't

 

[False Sense]

He might as well be since there's nothing to disprove the Gematsu's leak. Otherwise, I would agree. I'll admit, I wish Sakurai hadn't gone with the most expected choice for the series this time around. Would have been seriously nice to see an upset. Hopefully Sakurai will actually use weapons from Chrom's different class to set him apart from the rest; else I don't see him turning out well (at least in comparison to what we've already seen).

Going by that logic, doesn't that mean that any leak that had nothing going against it at one point was true? I mean, of course there's nothing to disprove the leak; it just leaked characters that aren't confirmed or de-confirmed for the game at this point. There isn't anyway we can disprove that, unless we get some new information about the game that goes against the leak. But just because we can't disprove it doesn't make it true.

So, I will continue to support Fire Emblem characters who aren't Chrom, even if a certain leak says he's in.

 

[The Light Music Club]

Snake going bye bye will be our obligatory scrapped character that causes an uproar.

Oh hello Mewtwo 2: Electric Boogaloo.

I have a Pikachu Electric Boogaloo comic in my house! I collected those when I was like 7.

Anyway though. I hate how some people think that there's no way that the Sal leak is fake and everything in it must be true. I mean yeah, he did get the first three at E3 right, but his info has to be off somewhere. Little Mac didn't get shown until months later, and Mii and Pac still haven't been shown. It's stuff like that, that shows his obvious choices might not all be correct. We've seen some leaks hold partial truth, and this one is included. It's amazing that all the others get deconfirmed because of it, but this one doesn't. I still don't believe in this leak, mainly because of Mii. Mii doesn't sit right with me at all. Sure you can argue that "It's a hardware character it makes perfect sense." But, WFT is a wii hardware character. I'd find it strange if two obscure hardware characters happen to be in. Also, the way that they are implemented in representing you, makes me think that Sakurai wouldn't like the idea of having Mii playable, especially since you can't have your specific Mii with you in competitive play for Wii U. You'd have to use a stock Mii, which would take the whole point out of having the mii. That's my opinion of course. I just don't think Mii would fit in, especially on the Wii U version.

 

[CalumG]

I think it's a mighty big exaggeration to compare the loss of Snake to the loss of Mewtwo. They both have their fans, sure, but the key difference lies in two major things - firstly that Mewtwo has done way more for Nintendo than Snake ever has (inb4 'check ur first/second party privilege'), and secondly the fact that Mewtwo was soaring in popularity even before Melee.

Snake would be a devastating cut, but fans would be much more understanding, given the circumstances. Mewtwo is a Nintendo All-Star who frankly probably should've been in Smash since day 1. In fact, I'd argue that many, many people who want Mewtwo back feel that way not because they enjoyed his Melee playstyle, but on the sheer principle that a character that influential to Nintendo simply deserves a place on the roster. I felt pretty wounded when I realized Mewtwo wasn't coming back, not because I wanted to play as him but out of sheer disbelief that Sakurai would remove such a well-recieved and iconic Nintendo character. It would be akin to Sakurai soon announcing that Ganondorf or Wario won't be returning as a playable character in Smash 4.

Third-parties are, and always will be, the extra sauce on top of the roster steak - none of them are dead certs for returning, and most fans have prepared for that eventual scenario.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Oh dear, I just got off the phone with my friend, and he doesn't believe that PacMan will be playable just because he thinks it sounds weird. Anyone have any bright ideas on how to convince him?

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I actually did become a Metal Gear fan because of Brawl.

Same here.

Snake going bye bye will be our obligatory scrapped character that causes an uproar.

Oh hello Mewtwo 2: Electric Boogaloo.

There is no doubt in my mind that Snake would become the most wanted 3rd party for the next Smash. Which is exactly why I don't see any reason for him to get the boot. There's no point in it.

He's unique, he meets all requirements that any 3rd Party character would have to, he's a veteran. What else does a 3rd party freaking need?

Quite honestly, the way I see Snake and the potential cut situation, is very similar to the decline of 3rd party support for Nintendo consoles. Cutting Snake is only a bad thing in my opinion. It's symbolic of Nintendo's inability to bring hardcore 3rd party franchises to their consoles, especially when there isn't any real reason to cut a 3rd party character.

Should E3 come and go without any word of him, I will find him as disconfirmed, and at that point, probably create a support thread to have Snake added as DLC. I can understand if there are cuts. But in this day and age with gaming, there is no real reason to cut characters with DLC as a clear option.

 

[Scamper52596]

Oh dear, I just got off the phone with my friend, and he doesn't believe that PacMan will be playable just because he thinks it sounds weird. Anyone have any bright ideas on how to convince him?

Did you mention the Namco related items that we have seen in pictures recently?

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Did you mention the Namco related items that we have seen in pictures recently?

As a matter of fact I did not, I'm not sure if he even knows that Namco Bandai is involved in any way

 

[BKupa666]

Any character cut from Brawl is instantly going to become one of the Top 10 most wanted for next game, if not Top 5. Most of them skew far more toward the Mewtwo end of the spectrum than the Doc/Pichu/Young Link end.

 

[JamesDNaux]

Eh, I wasn't particularly affected by any of the Melee cuts, though Mewtwo was the worst. I'm honestly more upset over the loss of background character Pokemon Trainer than all of them, and I would be more upset at the loss of Snake than even that. Mind, Mewtwo was my favorite Pokemon character in Melee and the Trainer took that place for me in Brawl, though I'm not that big of a fan of the Pokemon in Smash compared to the other franchises. I'm still foolishly hoping that the Trainer will still be in but fighting on his own, even though my brain keeps telling me it will never happen. Speaking of which.

I still don't think we're going to get Lip after seeing her stick return as an item, she's just there as a placeholder for whatever the next surprise newcomer I never could have guessed will be. This might be a bit of a stretch but oh well, I can't crash any harder than the last time.

 

[andimidna]

Eh, I wasn't particularly affected by any of the Melee cuts, though Mewtwo was the worst. I'm honestly more upset over the loss of background character Pokemon Trainer than all of them, and I would be more upset at the loss of Snake than even that. Mind, Mewtwo was my favorite Pokemon character in Melee and the Trainer took that place for me in Brawl, though I'm not that big of a fan of the Pokemon in Smash compared to the other franchises. I'm still foolishly hoping that the Trainer will still be in but fighting on his own, even though my brain keeps telling me it will never happen. Speaking of which.

I still don't think we're going to get Lip after seeing her stick return as an item, she's just there as a placeholder for whatever the next surprise newcomer I never could have guessed will be. This might be a bit of a stretch but oh well, I can't crash any harder than the last time.

I agree with every character on here except for Pokemon Trainer. I can't see him fighting without Pokemon. And I can't see Pokemon getting 7 reps yet Mario getting 5. There are some other characters I have on my roster, but these, except for him are usually on mine.
But I have a question: What's your thoughts on SalRomano's leaks?

EDIT: I didn't see what you said on the top

 

[Starbound]

Pichu was my secondary in Melee and, because I was like 14 when Brawl came out, wasn't aware that a) fighting games normally cut characters and b) Sakurai said he'd be cutting characters. In hindsight I suppose it made a lot of sense for Pichu to get cut, but 10 year old me would love to see Pichu make a return in some form. :>

With Mewtwo, he was very much a character that I didn't know how much I wanted until he was gone. I started playing Melee way more frequently than Brawl about four to five years ago and realized how much I loved Mewtwo's playstyle (air based characters are my favorite to use) and wished I could've had it in Brawl (<3 you Project M).

 

[Deleted member]

I still don't think we're going to get Lip after seeing her stick return as an item, she's just there as a placeholder for whatever the next surprise newcomer I never could have guessed will be. This might be a bit of a stretch but oh well, I can't crash any harder than the last time.

Any thoughts on Isaac?

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

On Metal Gear, yeah, I admit I only got interested in the series because of Brawl as well.

Does anyone think the "Sal" leaks are comparable to the PokeBeach X and Y leaks?

Also, it's kinda funny how characters were being discussed in the leak thread and now leaks are being discussed in the character thread...

Any character cut from Brawl is instantly going to become one of the Top 10 most wanted for next game, if not Top 5. Most of them skew far more toward the Mewtwo end of the spectrum than the Doc/Pichu/Young Link end.

I assume Roy is in the middle? Or is he closer to Mewtwo?

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[NonSpecificGuy]

Eh, I wasn't particularly affected by any of the Melee cuts, though Mewtwo was the worst. I'm honestly more upset over the loss of background character Pokemon Trainer than all of them, and I would be more upset at the loss of Snake than even that. Mind, Mewtwo was my favorite Pokemon character in Melee and the Trainer took that place for me in Brawl, though I'm not that big of a fan of the Pokemon in Smash compared to the other franchises. I'm still foolishly hoping that the Trainer will still be in but fighting on his own, even though my brain keeps telling me it will never happen. Speaking of which.

I still don't think we're going to get Lip after seeing her stick return as an item, she's just there as a placeholder for whatever the next surprise newcomer I never could have guessed will be. This might be a bit of a stretch but oh well, I can't crash any harder than the last time.

Maybe you should replace her with Isaac he's looking more and more likely after all.

 

[CalumG]

Eh, I wasn't particularly affected by any of the Melee cuts, though Mewtwo was the worst. I'm honestly more upset over the loss of background character Pokemon Trainer than all of them, and I would be more upset at the loss of Snake than even that. Mind, Mewtwo was my favorite Pokemon character in Melee and the Trainer took that place for me in Brawl, though I'm not that big of a fan of the Pokemon in Smash compared to the other franchises. I'm still foolishly hoping that the Trainer will still be in but fighting on his own, even though my brain keeps telling me it will never happen. Speaking of which.

I feel those feels.

The Smash Direct the other day upset me not just because of Ivysaur and Squirtle's supposed removal, nor the crippling blow to Ridley's fanbase. What peeved me off most is seeing Greninja added and the removal of Red, simultaneously. I didn't like the Pokemon Trainer mechanic myself, and nor do I find Greninja a particularly offensive roster choice, but those two choices put together just rub me the wrong way. Why Greninja? Red is the protagonist of at least half a dozen Pokemon games, and shows up as an optional battle or final boss in other Pokemon titles. He's so much more iconic than Greninja that it physically hurts. To me, removing Red and putting in Greninja feels like if they were to remove Marth and put in some random character from one of the recent Fire Emblem's.

Red's iconicity and popularity will survive long after the 6th gen hype dies. I always thought Smash was about All-Stars, not just the next big fad character. It's for this precise reason that I was also annoyed by Rosalina's inclusion, and will no doubt be frustrated again if and when Sakurai chooses to include another left-field recent character (if Ghirahim gets announced, I swear to God I'll rip my balls off and throw them at my PC monitor).

Rant over. Now I wait for people to tell me how wrong I am.

 

[Autumn ♫]

I feel those feels.

The Smash Direct the other day upset me not just because of Ivysaur and Squirtle's supposed removal, nor the crippling blow to Ridley's fanbase. What peeved me off most is seeing Greninja added and the removal of Red, simultaneously. I didn't like the Pokemon Trainer mechanic myself, and nor do I find Greninja a particularly offensive roster choice, but those two choices put together just rub me the wrong way. Why Greninja? Red is the protagonist of at least half a dozen Pokemon games, and shows up as an optional battle or final boss in other Pokemon titles. He's so much more iconic than Greninja that it physically hurts. To me, removing Red and putting in Greninja feels like if they were to remove Marth and put in some random character from one of the recent Fire Emblem's.

Red's iconicity and popularity will survive long after the 6th gen hype dies. I always thought Smash was about All-Stars, not just the next big fad character. It's for this precise reason that I was also annoyed by Rosalina's inclusion, and will no doubt be frustrated again if and when Sakurai chooses to include another left-field recent character (if Ghirahim gets announced, I swear to God I'll rip my balls off and throw them at my PC monitor).

Rant over. Now I wait for people to tell me how wrong I am.

Pretty much how I felt with Greninja, but I did enjoy Rosalina's inclusion into the game.

 

[JamesDNaux]

I agree with every character on here except for Pokemon Trainer. I can't see him fighting without Pokemon. And I can't see Pokemon getting 7 reps yet Mario getting 5. There are some other characters I have on my roster, but these, except for him are usually on mine.
But I have a question: What's your thoughts on SalRomano's leaks?

Well, he'd summon Pokemon for single moves, like summoning either a single specific flying type or just that ambiguous bird shape for his recovery and have it use fly. Also, Mario had four pure reps in Brawl while Pokemon had six. Mario has seven characters anyway, Mario, Luigi, Peach, Rosalina, Bowser, Yoshi, and Wario.

I think the Sal leaks are a load of it. I think he made a lot of guesses and got lucky on a few, someone always wins the lottery you know.

Even if he did get legit info, not all of it may be true. There was a Pokemon leak a while back that got the Fairy type and a lot of other stuff correct... but had a hell of a lot of stuff completely wrong too. I still believe Pac-Man will be in, but I don't believe either Marshal or Miis for a second.

Any thoughts on Isaac?

Maybe you should replace her with Isaac he's looking more and more likely after all.

Eh, kind of doubt it with Little Mac already there, but he is way more likely than Lip at this point. I'd rather put someone else instead.

 

[Eight Melodies]

I feel those feels.

The Smash Direct the other day upset me not just because of Ivysaur and Squirtle's supposed removal, nor the crippling blow to Ridley's fanbase. What peeved me off most is seeing Greninja added and the removal of Red, simultaneously. I didn't like the Pokemon Trainer mechanic myself, and nor do I find Greninja a particularly offensive roster choice, but those two choices put together just rub me the wrong way. Why Greninja? Red is the protagonist of at least half a dozen Pokemon games, and shows up as an optional battle or final boss in other Pokemon titles. He's so much more iconic than Greninja that it physically hurts. To me, removing Red and putting in Greninja feels like if they were to remove Marth and put in some random character from one of the recent Fire Emblem's.

Red's iconicity and popularity will survive long after the 6th gen hype dies. I always thought Smash was about All-Stars, not just the next big fad character. It's for this precise reason that I was also annoyed by Rosalina's inclusion, and will no doubt be frustrated again if and when Sakurai chooses to include another left-field recent character (if Ghirahim gets announced, I swear to God I'll rip my balls off and throw them at my PC monitor).

Rant over. Now I wait for people to tell me how wrong I am.

I can see where you're coming from, but I'd honestly rather see Charizard by himself if Red is going to be just a background element. I'd like the idea of him as a character a lot more if he was a summon character like some people on this forum have suggested.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Pokemon Trainer got removed because of the fact that the transformation gimmicks didn't work. The idea was cool and all, but it just didn't work. That's most likely why he was removed.

They're focusing a lot more on gameplay this time around, so if it doesn't work, either fix or scrap the concept.

 

[AEMehr]

inb4 we get a Greninja type reveal. But with a Fire Emblem character.

Anna confirmed......

That would actually support the theory that the Trophy Quizzes hint at other characters.
Since Anna is apparently the only character Tiki speaks to in Awakening.

I hope I made it sound like that.




You did NOT read what I said. I said LUMA has less moves. If you had read the post, you would know I could only be referring to Rosalina OR Luma. Not both. But, alas you did not read it as you twice claimed to have.

I'm not going to argue about what I said anymore.

So the clone character is superior to another character with a completely original moveset and mechanic because it can grab?
Uh, sure?

 

[The Light Music Club]

Well, he'd summon Pokemon for single moves, like summoning either a single specific flying type or just that ambiguous bird shape for his recovery and have it use fly. Also, Mario had four pure reps in Brawl while Pokemon had six. Mario has seven characters anyway, Mario, Luigi, Peach, Rosalina, Bowser, Yoshi, and Wario.

I think the Sal leaks are a load of it. I think he made a lot of guesses and got lucky on a few, someone always wins the lottery you know.

Even if he did get legit info, not all of it may be true. There was a Pokemon leak a while back that got the Fairy type and a lot of other stuff correct... but had a hell of a lot of stuff completely wrong too. I still believe Pac-Man will be in, but I don't believe either Marshal or Miis for a second.



Eh, kind of doubt it with Little Mac already there, but he is way more likely than Lip at this point. I'd rather put someone else instead.

Pokemon Trainer could be the Yugi from Jump Ultimate Stars

 

[CalumG]

Pokemon Trainer got removed because of the fact that the transformation gimmicks didn't work. The idea was cool and all, but it just didn't work. That's most likely why he was removed.

They're focusing a lot more on gameplay this time around, so if it doesn't work, either fix or scrap the concept.

I firmly believe they should have scrapped the mechanic but kept the character. Pokemon Trainer might not have worked, but Red himself is still one of the most iconic, important and re-occurring characters in Pokemon, not to mention the inspiration for Ash Ketchum and the sole representation of humans in the Pokemon world (in Brawl, at least).

Maybe he could've had Phantom-style summons or something (using HM's? He'd have one for Cut, one for Strength, one for Fly etc.). The point is, he's 10 times the all-star that Greninja could ever hope to be. Don't get me wrong, I've got no problem with Greninja's gameplay (nor Rosalina's) - the problem I have is strictly that none of these characters scream 'Nintendo All-Star'. I'd be willing to bet a Double Bacon Whopper that in ten years time, Greninja and Rosalina's popularity and importance will have faded, while characters such as Toad, Bowser Jr. (ugh), Red, Mewtwo and Ridley will be as popular as ever.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I firmly believe they should have scrapped the mechanic but kept the character. Pokemon Trainer might not have worked, but Red himself is still one of the most iconic, important and re-occurring characters in Pokemon, not to mention the inspiration for Ash Ketchum and the sole representation of humans in the Pokemon world (in Brawl, at least).

Maybe he could've had Phantom-style summons or something (using HM's? He'd have one for Cut, one for Strength, one for Fly etc.). The point is, he's 10 times the all-star that Greninja could ever hope to be. Don't get me wrong, I've got no problem with Greninja's gameplay (nor Rosalina's) - the problem I have is strictly that none of these characters scream 'Nintendo All-Star'. I'd be willing to bet a Double Whopper that in ten years time, Greninja and Rosalina's popularity and importance will have faded, while characters such as Toad, Bowser Jr. (ugh), Red, Mewtwo and Ridley will be as popular as ever.

They simply would never have done that. That wouldn't represent the character well at all. He's a Pokemon Trainer. If you take his Pokemon away, he's nothing.

They took away his Pokemon. He has no reason to be on his own.

 

[Starbound]

That would actually support the theory that the Trophy Quizzes hint at other characters.
Since Anna is apparently the only character Tiki speaks to in Awakening.

Not quite. Anna is one of a handful. Lucina, Say'ri and Robin also speak with Tiki. I think Chrom does too but they don't have any support conversations together and I don't know where to find Awakening's script.

With Chrom, I'm wondering if it'd be possible to get a Chrom+Lucina duo where Chrom is the main fighter and Lucina is like the assist (akin to Phoenix Wright and Maya in UMvC3).

 

[CalumG]

They simply would never have done that. That wouldn't represent the character well at all. He's a Pokemon Trainer. If you take his Pokemon away, he's nothing.

They took away his Pokemon. He has no reason to be on his own.

If he's summoning Pokemon to do his bidding, then how is he on his own?