Character Discussion Thread

[The Black mage]

I think these comments on Takamaru died out awhile ago...
Habanero, you still going on with this?

 

[Pazzo.]

Read my status.
I'm gonna make sure that if someone's arguing logically for Mewtwo, at least one of them will be me, I'm not giving in at all and taking every sort of evidence.
Jiggs is still cool though.

Axle, could you compile a list of Mewtwo VS. Jiggs VS. Both for me? I really need it, and I'm not really the best one qualified for it.

 

[Oracle_Summon]

BigAxle is right though, we can still get Mewtwo and Jigglypuff both in the game as long as Squirtle and Ivysaur are gone.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

I just don't understand why people still want Geno if they know he's owned by Square Enix

 

[Sehnsucht]

I just don't understand why people still want Geno if they know he's owned by Square Enix

Because Brawl introduced the concept of Third-Party additions.

 

[Oracle_Summon]

I just don't understand why people still want Geno if they know he's owned by Square Enix

People just want the character they want. It would be better for Nintendo to own him, rather than Square Enix not using him.

 

[Andinus]

How would a bigger team that has extensive history with fighting games and balancing have little to no impact on the game?

Its called limitations! Why hasn't NASA figured out a warp drive yet?? I'm saying that just because you add more people with experience in something does not necessarily make the task any less difficult. Look, the facts still remain, there is nothing to lead us to believe we are getting a roster of 50 plus characters at this point, (other than peoples fantasies of course), if it happens.. fantastic.. will the game be balanced? who knows? and honestly i don't see why Sakurai cares, there is always gonna be tiers etc... created in these games, but he is Japanese and brings with him a sense of pride and perfectionism from that culture( and i lived in the country for 7 years and I am married to Japanese woman so don't even get me started on my knowledge of that).

So what that means to me is he is going to take balancing seriously as he said (cuz we have no reason to believe otherwise at this point), and if that means a limited roster, then that is what we are getting. Give me something to show he has started to think otherwise and I will change my stance.

 

[Gunla]

Axle, could you compile a list of Mewtwo VS. Jiggs VS. Both for me? I really need it, and I'm not really the best one qualified for it.

When RTC gets around to Mewtwo (Which, hopefully will be soon) I'll be doing that in addition to a new rating filled with warrant. It's there that I go above and beyond to produce expansive evidence in essay form.

Mewtwo is still incredibly likely, and Greninja is just an expected addition, after all. (Or at least the assurance of at least one Pokemon newcomer per game.

Oh, and people wanting Geno is like people wanting Goku.
It's never going to die out.

 

[IsmaR]

I just don't understand why people still want Geno if they know he's owned by Square Enix

Not a good idea to pick and choose which 3rd-party characters are possible/wanted and which are impossible.

I'm sure you know how everyone feels about a certain Sega series getting another rep.

 

[TylerBlackRunIt]

Hey guys, I was wondering what you all would think about having Grovile as our Pokemon Mystery Dungeon character. He'd do a great job doing that along with giving us a Grass starter and possibly representing the Hoenn remake if we get one.

I love Grovyle, but I would rather have Sceptile because Gerninja and Charizard are appearing in their Final Evolution.

 

[TumblrFamous]

Its called limitations! Why hasn't NASA figured out a warp drive yet?? I'm saying that just because you add more people with experience in something does not necessarily make the task any less difficult. Look, the facts still remain, there is nothing to lead us to believe we are getting a roster of 50 plus characters at this point, (other than peoples fantasies of course), if it happens.. fantastic.. will the game be balanced? who knows? and honestly i don't see why Sakurai cares, there is always gonna be tiers etc... created in these games, but he is Japanese and brings with him a sense of pride and perfectionism from that culture( and i lived in the country for 7 years and I am married to Japanese woman so don't even get me started on my knowledge of that).

So what that means to me is he is going to take balancing seriously as he said (cuz we have no reason to believe otherwise at this point), and if that means a limited roster, then that is what we are getting. Give me something to show he has started to think otherwise and I will change my stance.

I'm done talking to you. All I can say is that characters are what people get most excited for, and the make-or-break of the game, regardless of what people want to say. Having a moderate amount of cuts and a few newcomers will not be well-received. I'm done.

 

[False Sense]

Its called limitations! Why hasn't NASA figured out a warp drive yet?? I'm saying that just because you add more people with experience in something does not necessarily make the task any less difficult. Look, the facts still remain, there is nothing to lead us to believe we are getting a roster of 50 plus characters at this point, (other than peoples fantasies of course), if it happens.. fantastic.. will the game be balanced? who knows? and honestly i don't see why Sakurai cares, there is always gonna be tiers etc... created in these games, but he is Japanese and brings with him a sense of pride and perfectionism from that culture( and i lived in the country for 7 years and I am married to Japanese woman so don't even get me started on my knowledge of that).

So what that means to me is he is going to take balancing seriously as he said (cuz we have no reason to believe otherwise at this point), and if that means a limited roster, then that is what we are getting. Give me something to show he has started to think otherwise and I will change my stance.

I don't think it's so much an issue of limitations. That old quote of Sakurai's suggested that a smaller roster would be easier to balance, and perhaps that would be the direction the game should be focused in. Keep in mind that previously, Sakurai did most of the character balancing himself and look how that turned out. If Sakurai wanted to focus on achieving game balance over adding new characters, then a small roster would only be the result of limitations Sakurai placed on himself. Now, Sakurai's not working alone. He now has other professionals there to help contribute to the game balance, as well as develop the game in other key areas. As such, it seems reasonable to assume that achieving balance within the game would not be as difficult as before due to the much larger team, which in turn would allow the roster to expand beyond the previous limits.

So yeah, I don't see how the support of an experienced group of people would make little to no impact.

 

[Andinus]

I'm done talking to you. All I can say is that characters are what people get most excited for, and the make-or-break of the game, regardless of what people want to say. Having a moderate amount of cuts and a few newcomers will not be well-received. I'm done.

Well, whether it has 39, 42 or 52 characters, I'm still buying it. And whatever the final roster is I hope everyone here will still support it, because no matter the amount of characters it is still an awesome game to me, the reason I joined this site, and one of the few games I still get excited for. Brawl was sucky in a lot of ways but I still support it and I'm sad the online support is being cut.., i really hope people won't have an attitude that if they don't get their character in, or don't get their huge roster, that they won't care for this game, because it's an awesome series and I want it to live on!

 

[Oracle_Summon]

Getting ready everyone, this is where the thread gets the stickiest (meaning when we talk about characters).

As the time span for SSB4 keeps drawing near by the second, so does the supporters who want their characters in, as roster space is limited.

On to my characters:

Nintendo Owned:

The Newcomers possibilities (in my eyes):

• Palutena has the best chances of being confirmed as a new comer.
• Isaac is not unconfirmed, as long as he can last until he is confirmed during the E3 event or during a daily post as a playable character.
• Dixie Kong/King K. Rool, their only obstacles are each other.
• Takamaru has not been unconfirmed, he is safe.
• Lip might appear this time around as a playable character.
• Mike Jones, nothing related to Star Tropics that I have seen, but he has nothing against him as of yet.
• Someone from the Mother/Earthbound series, we don't have an Assist Trophy for the series yet, so everyone is safe.
• Chrom, could end up getting/borrowing from Ike's moveset or getting his own, being a main character in the newest Fire Emblem game increases his chances tremendously. (Alternate costume could be possible)
• Lucina, has the possibility of having her own moveset, could borrow from Ike as well. She could fight alongside her father in the roster space, but only if Fire Emblem gets 4 rep spots; otherwise, she will be fighting her father for the spot. (Alternate costume could be possible)
• Cooking Mama, has a chance because she could have Kirby's Final Smash. However, she is a third party character and since third party rosters are limited....her chances are not that great.
• Rhythm Heaven character, noone has been unconfirmed and it could be anyone.
• Wario Ware rep that isn't Ashley. (Kat & Ana were safe in the direct)
• Krystal is possible, but I see her rival the Star Fox series roster size.
• Shulk, nothing against him, except for time constraints.
• Ridley does have a chance, but Sakurai's trolling is heavy, not showing us the full model and what not.
• Bandanna Dee, has an original moveset with his spear. Since King Dedede no longer throws Waddle Dees his chances could be increased, if that does anything I don't really know. He also took place as a playable character in Kirby's Return to Dreamland. Only enemies are time constraints, Kirby series' roster size and noticability.
• Geno could get in, but only if Nintendo gets the rights from Square Enix and decides to put him in.
• Vaati does have some better odds, now that Skull Kid and Midna are out, but if the roster limit for the LoZ series is 5 could he take the spot from either Ganondorf or Demise? (Biggest rivals are Ganondorf and/or Demise to making the LoZ roster, but only if 5 is the limit) His biggest rival is Ganondorf.
• Demise has to work against Ganondorf and/or Vaati for roster spot (if only 5 roster spots are available for LoZ). He is the one who started the Triforce of Power calamity (if I am not wrong), therefore he technically came before Ganondorf.
• Mokka from the Magical Vacation/Starsign series, his chances may not be that great against the others, but the Magical Vacation/Starsign series had trophies in Melee and/or Brawl (with some of their trophies). He really has nothing against him, except for series noticeability
• Duck Hunt Dog, has a possibility, but maybe less likely, since he could be used as an assist trophy. Still, nothing holding him back.
• Advanced Wars Rep, even though we have not seen a game from this series in a long time, that has not stopped people like Pit and Ice Climbers. Nothing against them and no Assist Trophies from them as of yet.
• ExciteBike, could be a character, but has been an Assist Trophy before. He is not one now, so his chances are good.
• Chibi Robo, had a recent game released for the 3DS virtual shop. He is a recognizable icon and is well liked. Having an original moveset doesn't hurt either. His only enemy is time constraint and noticeability.
• Black Shadow, since Samurai Gorroh is out (sucks by the way), he could fit the bill nicely. As long as he is seen as a good fighter by Sakurai and none of his possible heavy hitting moves get moved to Captain Falcon's Custom moveset library, then is safe. Only enemies are time constraint and noticeability.
• Pacman, the most likely candidate to fit a third party roster (Snake as well, but only if he is in the game and we have four third party characters this time around). His biggest points are that he is a big gaming icon and Namco Bandai is working on the game (though whether his creators working on the game making a difference is purely for taste, in my case that is).
• Sorry if I forgot anyone.

Returning Fighters (in my eyes):

• Ness/Lucas: Both could take the spot, if one of them gets cut for the others custom movesets that is. (Ness has an edge because of the original 12 theory)
• Captain Falcon: Has nothing against him except for time constraints, plus he is one of the original 12.
• Jigglypuff/Mewtwo both have to compete with each other and Squirtle/Ivysaur (Jigglpuff has the best odds as she has the original 12 theory); however, if there are six roster spots available to Pokemon then Jigglypuff and Mewtwo could take the spots from Ivysaur and Squirtle.
• Ice Climbers: If Sakurai got them to work then they will be in.
• Falco: Does not have a diverse moveset from Fox like Wolf does, but his moveset could be changed; unless, he is sacrificed to offer Fox custom moves.
• Wolf: Has a more diverse moveset from Fox than Falco, but he could be sacrificed for Fox's custom moveset.
• R.O.B.: Original moveset and represents a series, no real reason to cut, unless for time constraints.
• Mr. Game and Watch: Same reasoning as R.O.B.
• Snake: If he gets in this time around that is, that is it.
• Ike: If he is not sacrificed for Chrom's or Marth's custom movesets then he should be safe, unless Chrom takes his moveset.
• Ganondorf: Has a good chance to get the last roster spot; however, his rival is Demise. Having a new moveset would greatly increase his odds, plus being a well recognized LoZ series villain doesn't hurt. And if being in the roster in the past helps then more power to him.

Guys remember:

Sakurai will not be undone trolling our beloved characters. Sakurai loves playing pranks on everyone.

There is a race for our characters to make the roster spots, the competition doesn't stop until the game is announced.

Edit: I forgot Ganondorf, Ganondorf of all people, as a returning character. *Hangs head in shame*

Edit x 2: I figure I should bold the character names to make them easier to see.

Edit x 3: The biggest thing that will decide who stays and who guys in rosters is the customizable movesets. These could make or break the chances of some characters staying or going. Toon Link is safe though, since he is confirmed and all that.

Edit x 4: Forgot Chibi Robo of all newcomers........and Black Shadow.....and Bandanna Dee.

Edit x 5: I am sorry if this is not the spot to place this long post. I just felt as though each character's chances, in my guess, should be talked about.

Again, I am sorry if this post caused any trouble.

 

[Autumn ♫]

Getting ready everyone, this is where the thread gets the stickiest.

As the time span for SSB4 keeps drawing near by the second, so does the supporters who want their characters in, as roster space is limited.

On to my characters:

Nintendo Owned:

The Newcomers possibilities (in my eyes):

• Palutena has the best chances of being confirmed as a new comer.
• Isaac is not unconfirmed, as long as he can last until he is confirmed during the E3 event or during a daily post as a playable character.
• Dixie Kong/King K. Rool, their only obstacles are each other.
• Takamaru has not been unconfirmed, he is safe.
• Lip might appear this time around as a playable character.
• Mike Jones, nothing related to Star Tropics that I have seen, but he has nothing against him as of yet.
• Someone from the Mother/Earthbound series, we don't have an Assist Trophy for the series yet, so everyone is safe.
• Cooking Mama, has a chance because she could have Kirby's Final Smash and has nothing against her, as of yet.
• Rhythm Heaven character, noone has been unconfirmed and it could be anyone.
• Wario Ware rep that isn't Ashley. (Kat & Ana were safe in the direct)
• Krystal is possible, but I see her rival the Star Fox series roster size.
• Shulk, nothing against him, except for time constraints.
• Ridley does have a chance, but Sakurai's trolling is heavy, not showing us the full model and what not.
• Geno could get in, but only if Nintendo gets the rights from Square Enix and decides to put him in.
• Sorry if I forgot anyone.

Returning Fighters (in my eyes):

• Ness/Lucas: Both could take the spot, if one of them gets cut for the others custom movesets that is. (Ness has an edge because of the original 12 theory)
• Captain Falcon: has nothing against him except for time constraints, plus he is one of the original 12.
• Jigglypuff/Mewtwo both have to compete with each other and Squirtle/Ivysaur (Jigglpuff has the best odds as she has the original 12 theory); however, if there are six roster spots available to Pokemon then Jigglypuff and Mewtwo could take the spots from Ivysaur and Squirtle.
• Ice Climbers: If Sakurai got them to work then they will be in.
• Falco: Does not have a diverse moveset from Fox like Wolf does, but his moveset could be changed; unless, he is sacrificed to offer Fox custom moves.
• Wolf: Has a more diverse moveset from Fox than Falco, but he could be sacrificed for Fox's custom moveset.
• R.O.B.: Original moveset and represents a series, no real reason to cut, unless for time constraints.
• Mr. Game and Watch: Same reasoning as R.O.B.
• Snake: If he gets in this time around that is, that is it.
• Ike: If he is not sacrificed for Chrom's or Marth's custom movesets then he should be safe, unless Chrom takes his moveset.

Guys remember:

Sakurai will not be undone trolling our beloved characters. Sakurai loves playing pranks on everyone.

There is a race for our characters to make the roster spots, the competition doesn't stop until the game is announced.

Well, I guess I need to get my Vaati propaganda out pretty soon.

 

[Oracle_Summon]

Well, I guess I need to get my Vaati propaganda out pretty soon.

....I knew I forgot someone....

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Getting ready everyone, this is where the thread gets the stickiest.

As the time span for SSB4 keeps drawing near by the second, so does the supporters who want their characters in, as roster space is limited.

On to my characters:

Nintendo Owned:

The Newcomers possibilities (in my eyes):

• Palutena has the best chances of being confirmed as a new comer.
• Isaac is not unconfirmed, as long as he can last until he is confirmed during the E3 event or during a daily post as a playable character.
• Dixie Kong/King K. Rool, their only obstacles are each other.
• Takamaru has not been unconfirmed, he is safe.
• Lip might appear this time around as a playable character.
• Mike Jones, nothing related to Star Tropics that I have seen, but he has nothing against him as of yet.
• Someone from the Mother/Earthbound series, we don't have an Assist Trophy for the series yet, so everyone is safe.
• Cooking Mama, has a chance because she could have Kirby's Final Smash and has nothing against her, as of yet.
• Rhythm Heaven character, noone has been unconfirmed and it could be anyone.
• Wario Ware rep that isn't Ashley. (Kat & Ana were safe in the direct)
• Krystal is possible, but I see her rival the Star Fox series roster size.
• Shulk, nothing against him, except for time constraints.
• Ridley does have a chance, but Sakurai's trolling is heavy, not showing us the full model and what not.
• Geno could get in, but only if Nintendo gets the rights from Square Enix and decides to put him in.
• Vaati does have some better odds, now that Skull Kid and Midna are out, but if the roster limit for the LoZ series is 5 could he take the spot from either Ganondorf or Demise? (Biggest rivals are Ganondorf and/or Demise to making the LoZ roster, but only if 5 is the limit) His biggest rival is Ganondorf.
• Demise has to work against Ganondorf and/or Vaati for roster spot (if only 5 roster spots are available for LoZ). He is the one who started the Triforce of Power calamity (if I am not wrong), therefore he technically came before Ganondorf.
• Mokka from the Magical Vacation/Starsign series, his chances may not be that great against the others, but the Magical Vacation/Starsign series had trophies in Melee and/or Brawl (with some of their trophies). He really has nothing against him, except for series noticeability
• Sorry if I forgot anyone.

Returning Fighters (in my eyes):

• Ness/Lucas: Both could take the spot, if one of them gets cut for the others custom movesets that is. (Ness has an edge because of the original 12 theory)
• Captain Falcon: Has nothing against him except for time constraints, plus he is one of the original 12.
• Jigglypuff/Mewtwo both have to compete with each other and Squirtle/Ivysaur (Jigglpuff has the best odds as she has the original 12 theory); however, if there are six roster spots available to Pokemon then Jigglypuff and Mewtwo could take the spots from Ivysaur and Squirtle.
• Ice Climbers: If Sakurai got them to work then they will be in.
• Falco: Does not have a diverse moveset from Fox like Wolf does, but his moveset could be changed; unless, he is sacrificed to offer Fox custom moves.
• Wolf: Has a more diverse moveset from Fox than Falco, but he could be sacrificed for Fox's custom moveset.
• R.O.B.: Original moveset and represents a series, no real reason to cut, unless for time constraints.
• Mr. Game and Watch: Same reasoning as R.O.B.
• Snake: If he gets in this time around that is, that is it.
• Ike: If he is not sacrificed for Chrom's or Marth's custom movesets then he should be safe, unless Chrom takes his moveset.
• Ganondorf: Has a good chance to get the last roster spot; however, his rival is Demise. Having a new moveset would greatly increase his odds, plus being a well recognized LoZ series villain doesn't hurt. And if being in the roster in the past helps then more power to him.

Guys remember:

Sakurai will not be undone trolling our beloved characters. Sakurai loves playing pranks on everyone.

There is a race for our characters to make the roster spots, the competition doesn't stop until the game is announced.

Edit: I forgot Ganondorf, Ganondorf of all people, as a returning character. *Hangs head in shame*

Hmm... Cooking Mama... Very interesting. Is she owned by Nintendo?

 

[Oracle_Summon]

Hmm... Cooking Mama... Very interesting. Is she owned by Nintendo?

Last time I checked. I seriously tried to track down as many Nintendo contenders as I could muster.....I just remembered Advanced War series, ExciteBike, and Duck Hunt.....

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

Last time I checked. I seriously tried to track down as many Nintendo contenders as I could muster.....I just remembered Advanced War series, ExciteBike, and Duck Hunt.....

She's 3rd party.

 

[Oracle_Summon]

She's 3rd party.

Thanks, I will edit the post.

 

[Gunla]

Figured I might as well post my roster at last, after having a few days to analyze.
This is my best case scenario where only PT/Ivy/Squirt and Snake (sorry, Scoliosis, but if he isn't at E3 or August (given the game isn't out by then, he's a goner unless they really hid a third party.) is cut. 49 slots and movesets.

Newcomers:
-Villager, Mega Man, Wii Fit Trainers, Rosetta, Little Mac and Greninja have already been confirmed.
-King K Rool
-Bandana Waddle Dee
-Chrom
-Shulk
-Takamaru
-Palutena

 

[False Sense]

Figured I might as well post my roster at last, after having a few days to analyze.
This is my best case scenario where only PT/Ivy/Squirt and Snake (sorry, Scoliosis, but if he isn't at E3 or August (given the game isn't out by then, he's a goner unless they really hid a third party.) is cut. 49 slots and movesets.

Newcomers:
-Villager, Mega Man, Wii Fit Trainers, Rosetta, Little Mac and Greninja have already been confirmed.
-King K Rool
-Bandana Waddle Dee
-Chrom
-Shulk
-Takamaru
-Palutena

Looks like a good roster, although...

Seriously, there has to be some better way of having six Pokemon slots on the roster than putting Jigglypuff off to the side like that...

 

[Substitution]

Looks like a good roster, although...

Seriously, there has to be some better way of having six Pokemon slots on the roster than putting Jigglypuff off to the side like that...

Maybe having them horizontal than vertical would help...

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

Thanks, I will edit the post.

If you want to learn about more potential characters I'd suggest checking out this thread. http://smashboards.com/threads/smash-4-speculation-chart.334369/ I will say Lip Stick being an item again does hinder Lip's chances a lot, and Mike Jones being an American/European exclusive character does hinder him as well.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Figured I might as well post my roster at last, after having a few days to analyze.
This is my best case scenario where only PT/Ivy/Squirt and Snake (sorry, Scoliosis, but if he isn't at E3 or August (given the game isn't out by then, he's a goner unless they really hid a third party.) is cut. 49 slots and movesets.

Newcomers:
-Villager, Mega Man, Wii Fit Trainers, Rosetta, Little Mac and Greninja have already been confirmed.
-King K Rool
-Bandana Waddle Dee
-Chrom
-Shulk
-Takamaru
-Palutena

Mmm, if you want six Pokemon guys, you need six Mario guys.

 

[Oracle_Summon]

If you want to learn about more potential characters I'd suggest checking out this thread. http://smashboards.com/threads/smash-4-speculation-chart.334369/ I will say Lip Stick being an item again does hinder Lip's chances a lot, and Mike Jones being an American/European exclusive character does hinder him as well.

Thanks again my good man. I suppose I should not have made that ridiculous post about the characters.

 

[Gunla]

Maybe having them horizontal than vertical would help...

I tried that.
It failed miserably.
I wanted to try doing either but I stuck with the vertical style.

Mmm, if you want six Pokemon guys, you need six Mario guys.

Ask Brawl, who technically according to the game had 7 Pokemon (PT counted as one seperate) and 4 Mario.


I prefer actual criticism over choices than nitpicking, honestly, and enjoy getting feedback.

 

[Autumn ♫]

Figured I might as well post my roster at last, after having a few days to analyze.
This is my best case scenario where only PT/Ivy/Squirt and Snake (sorry, Scoliosis, but if he isn't at E3 or August (given the game isn't out by then, he's a goner unless they really hid a third party.) is cut. 49 slots and movesets.

Newcomers:
-Villager, Mega Man, Wii Fit Trainers, Rosetta, Little Mac and Greninja have already been confirmed.
-King K Rool
-Bandana Waddle Dee
-Chrom
-Shulk
-Takamaru
-Palutena

I find it odd that you don't have Ridley in your roster.
I really don't find Takamaru necessary since Sakurai seems to be treating Little Mac as our retro newcomer.
Only two 3rd parties seems really unlikely to me at the moment, I'd add Snake back.
It could also use some Vaati too...

 

[Substitution]

I tried that.
It failed miserably.
I wanted to try doing either but I stuck with the vertical style.

Ask Brawl, who technically according to the game had 7 Pokemon (PT counted as one seperate) and 4 Mario.

I prefer actual criticism over choices than nitpicking, honestly, and enjoy getting feedback.

Well, the only one I question is Waddle Dee.
Other than that it's okay. Albeit a bit safe for my tastes.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Ask Brawl, who technically according to the game had 7 Pokemon (PT counted as one seperate) and 4 Mario.

I know that Brawl had more than Mario that time, but that would be the worst mistake Sakurai could ever make in my opinion. Mario is the mascot franchise of Nintendo, and Pokemon is far from this, so the Pokemon franchise got lucky that time. They just don't deserve more representatives than Mario, so it's likely that Sakurai would balance the two of them out.

 

[Gunla]

I find it odd that you don't have Ridley in your roster.

I'm very skeptical about his inclusion. You'll see a bit of a reason why soon enough, but Purple Space Dragon isn't deconfirmed, I can say that.

Well, the only one I question is Waddle Dee.
Other than that it's okay. Albeit a bit safe for my tastes.

I am Mr. Safety with many rosters, but that's Waddle Dee's factor (he is my most wanted newcomer).
I'm kind of like Chandelure's right hand man with Waddle Dee, on that matter.

I know that Brawl had more than Mario that time, but that would be the worst mistake Sakurai could ever make in my opinion. Mario is the mascot franchise of Nintendo, and Pokemon is far from this, so the Pokemon franchise got lucky that time. They just don't deserve more representatives than Mario, so it's likely that Sakurai would balance the two of them out.

Pokemon is going to have a larger list because overall while Mario may be Mr. Nintendo, Pokemon's iconicness comes from it's heavy selection of possible Pokemon to raise, which will tweak into playable characters as to have more characters. Sakurai took it into effect, simple enough. It's not really a matter of what they deserve, but what Sakurai does to allot it.
Oh, and LoZ would like to talk to you.
It even balanced Mario in Melee.

 

[Autumn ♫]

I know that Brawl had more than Mario that time, but that would be the worst mistake Sakurai could ever make in my opinion. Mario is the mascot franchise of Nintendo, and Pokemon is far from this, so the Pokemon franchise got lucky that time. They just don't deserve more representatives than Mario, so it's likely that Sakurai would balance the two of them out.

Sakurai sure doesn't seem sorry for it, he even had Zelda surpass Mario in Brawl.

 

[False Sense]

I know that Brawl had more than Mario that time, but that would be the worst mistake Sakurai could ever make in my opinion. Mario is the mascot franchise of Nintendo, and Pokemon is far from this, so the Pokemon franchise got lucky that time. They just don't deserve more representatives than Mario, so it's likely that Sakurai would balance the two of them out.

Believe me, there's a lot worse he could do.

And Pokemon really isn't that far from Mario in terms of sheer size and success. It's truly quite the phenomenon, and has remained so for quite some time now. And with the huge amount of characters that could be pulled from it, I think it's plausible that Pokemon could (once again) have more reps than Mario.

 

[Substitution]

I am Mr. Safety with many rosters, but that's Waddle Dee's factor (he is my most wanted newcomer).
I'm kind of like Chandelure's right hand man with Waddle Dee, on that matter.

That's the thing.
I've always noticed with Sakurai is that he's always has at least a couple oddballs (and this time around we're most likely getting more than usual).
Especially with the obscure reps he loves putting in.

With Waddle Dee, I'm not against him, I just don't prefer him.

 

[JamesDNaux]

It's saddening to not see Pac-Man on that roster, I would be really disappointed if he didn't get in. Particularly with those Namco items. Also Snake.

Well, if anyone here is a fan of Pac-Man, I just finished this little thing. I put an extra bit of care and effort into this one.

 

[Starcutter]

What if PT was back, but by himself?

Certainly possible at this point.

 

[Sehnsucht]

What if PT was back, but by himself?

Certainly possible at this point.

Ash Red doing Kung Fu would be kind of cool.

 

[IsmaR]

What if PT was back, but by himself?

Certainly possible at this point.

Well, he'd definitely carry Charizard in doubles.

Spoiler

 

[SomewhatMystia]

What if PT was back, but by himself?

Certainly possible at this point.

Someone posted a moveset where it was more akin to a traditional fighter, with Red/Ash/PT taking part in the fight and using his pokemon as his specials or something like that. It was a moveset for Lysandre, if I'm not mistaken.

That idea was pretty darn neat.

 

[SpindaMaster]

What if PT was back, but by himself?

Certainly possible at this point.

You know what? I don't even think I'd be surprised anymore.