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Now I've got a nice Salesman icon to go with my K. Rool one.

These things are pretty fun to make, nice and fancy too.

Now if only someone actually wanted this thing. Oh well, maybe I could make more, think anyone would like these for the revealed characters?
 
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Who would you choose for a Donkey Kong rep that isn't K. Rool or Dixie?
If i really had to choose, I would say Funky Kong or Lanky Kong. Funky could use the weapons arsenal from DK 64, the barreljet, miscellaneous items, etc.

Lanky pretty much has a moveset made up for him. I have a feeling he would be like Dhalsim from street fighter if he was included.
 

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Who would you choose for a Donkey Kong rep that isn't K. Rool or Dixie?
Cranky Kong

I think he could get really unique with that cane, including a charging bounce attack.

And a gun that fires dentures (it did in Tropical Freeze) is something that this game needs. :p
 

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I'm pretty sure most can agree that K.Rool is almost a guaranteed after seeing Kremlings in the game. Bringing them back without K.Rool would be one of the strangest business decisions I've ever seen.

Edit: No offense, but even though Dixie Kong's deserving, putting her in after what we've seen is just blatantly dumb. Odds may have been in Dixie's favor before...but I think it's pretty clear the tables have indeed turned in that sense, K.Rool is definitely the one with better odds now. Again, no offense to Dixie Kong fans, but you can't really deny what's been given to us.
 
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It probably did, honestly.
...no. Just no.

If Toon Link being on Spirit Tracks doesn't deconfirm Toon Link, a silhouette of Cranky doesn't deconfrim Cranky. That's like saying seeing Ridley's shadow deconfirms him.

Oh wait, people are saying that.



For some reason.
 

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...no. Just no.

If Toon Link being on Spirit Tracks doesn't deconfirm Toon Link, a silhouette of Cranky doesn't deconfrim Cranky. That's like saying seeing Ridley's shadow deconfirms him.

Oh wait, people are saying that.



For some reason.
Apparently it's asinine to have some faith that this is indeed more than is let on, as much as the vague and conspicuous shadow appearance does indeed point to it. Denial or not, having faith isn't a bad thing. And even if Ridley doesn't get in after all...eh...at least it shows Ridley was really on Sakurai's mind and got alot of attention. Now Mewtwo on the other hand...that's a whole different story.

...Cranky for 4th DK Character ALA DLC. :p
 

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Without multiples of the same character, Samus can fight herself now. Zelda can fight herself now. Mario fought himself in Melee. As did Link.

What does some shadow matter?
 

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I'm pretty sure most can agree that K.Rool is almost a guaranteed after seeing Kremlings in the game. Bringing them back without K.Rool would be one of the strangest business decisions I've ever seen.
Pretty much my opinion on the matter. Not that i hate Dixie or anything (I would totally be fine with ANY DK newcomer) I would just be slightly ticked to see Kremlings and no K Rool. That would be some strange dealings indeed.
 

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Without multiples of the same character, Samus can fight herself now. Zelda can fight herself now. Mario fought himself in Melee. As did Link.

What does some shadow matter?
I always thought the argument was dumb in the first place given that all four players can fight as the same exact character simultaneously, should they choose to do so.
 

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...no. Just no.

If Toon Link being on Spirit Tracks doesn't deconfirm Toon Link, a silhouette of Cranky doesn't deconfrim Cranky. That's like saying seeing Ridley's shadow deconfirms him.

Oh wait, people are saying that.



For some reason.
Well, he's not a character I anticipate in any way, and I think if he was added, Sakurai would go the Alfonzo mile, which I don't quite expect for a returning stage like JJ.

I dunno, it could happen. I never really had much faith in his inclusion anyway, but I'm biased toward K. Rool, so there's that.
 

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Without multiples of the same character, Samus can fight herself now. Zelda can fight herself now. Mario fought himself in Melee. As did Link.

What does some shadow matter?
Because secretly Zero Suit Samus and Sheik are Zoroark in disguise. :p

To be honest...I'd be perfectly fine if the Random Icon was made Zoroark, it'd make so much sense. :p
 
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Well, he's not a character I anticipate in any way, and I think if he was added, Sakurai would go the Alfonzo mile, which I don't quite expect for a returning stage like JJ.

I dunno, it could happen. I never really had much faith in his inclusion anyway, but I'm biased toward K. Rool, so there's that.
Well, so am I. The response was to a hypothetical "if it was someone other than K. Rool or Dixie" question. I've never created a roster without K. Rool.
 

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Because secretly Zero Suit Samus and Sheik are Zoroark in disguise. :p

To be honest...I'd be perfectly fine if the Random Icon was made Zoroark, it'd make so much sense. :p
Greninja wasn't really revealed today. It was Zoroark. Water Shuriken is really Dark Pulse, Aqua Jet is really U-Turn, Smokescreen is really Faint Attack. The water katanas are just claws.
 

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That's like saying seeing Ridley's shadow deconfirms him.

Oh wait, people are saying that.



For some reason.
Maybe if they didn't imply that he was a boss character, also if his shadow wasn't big as **** (along with his tail) also him being able to fly for what seemed forever and grab people while in the air and fly off with them don't seem like things a playable character would do.
 

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Maybe if they didn't imply that he was a boss character, also if his shadow wasn't big as **** (along with his tail) also him being able to fly for what seemed forever and grab people while in the air and fly off with them don't seem like things a playable character would do.
So...why couldn't he be both a boss, and a playable character?
 

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The secret leader of team Please Understand? Indeed, as you saw, he's even brainwashing Sakurai to do the same hand gestures! :p
But you could see that Sakurai was fighting his influence! THERES STILL GOOD IN HIM!

...Anyways, we should probably be on topic again.

Question for all of you: Which veterans can you see getting changes? and which ones would you want to have changes made to them?
 

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But you could see that Sakurai was fighting his influence! THERES STILL GOOD IN HIM!

...Anyways, we should probably be on topic again.

Question for all of you: Which veterans can you see getting changes? and which ones would you want to have changes made to them?
Obvious Ganondwarf.
I feel like Samus could do with a bit more power in general.
G&W's side-B could definitely be changed to something less luck-based.

EDIT: Speaking of Game & Watch, I wonder if Bucket Braking will still work, assuming he's even going to be in the game.
 
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I guess it's not impossible, and I'd love it if that was the case, but what are the odds of that actually happening?
That's difficult to put any sort of ballpark quantitative value to. However, I believe that after seeing more obvious ROB disconfirmations in Brawl and Toon Link disconfirmations in SSB4, Ridley's situation is not as dire as those were. It's still plausible.
 
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Question for all of you: Which veterans can you see getting changes? and which ones would you want to have changes made to them?
If we're strictly on the subject of confirmed veterans, then I want Sonic's Homing Attack to be as useful as it is in his games.

If we're talking about all veterans, then Ganondorf ditching Captain Falcon's moveset for a sword is inevitable.
 
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I'm pretty sure most can agree that K.Rool is almost a guaranteed after seeing Kremlings in the game. Bringing them back without K.Rool would be one of the strangest business decisions I've ever seen.

Edit: No offense, but even though Dixie Kong's deserving, putting her in after what we've seen is just blatantly dumb. Odds may have been in Dixie's favor before...but I think it's pretty clear the tables have indeed turned in that sense, K.Rool is definitely the one with better odds now. Again, no offense to Dixie Kong fans, but you can't really deny what's been given to us.
I'd be much more cautious if I were you.

Let's say that the Gematsu leak is true along with of course Mewtwo's return and a retro newcomer (and I expect all of this to happen). That gives us fourteen newcomers, which is a lot. If we do get fourteen, what does that say for characters outside of this ring? That they're not as likely as we want to think.

First off, there's no guarantee that we are going to see anymore than that. That's already Melee size and it's pretty obvious we won't get as much as Brawl. This happens and characters like K. Rool, Dixie, Krystal, Isaac, etc. are all out. Even if we do more newcomers, spots are very hotly contested and pretty much anyone not disconfirmed is game.

If K. Rool isn't out at this point, then he's not only competing with Dixie Kong, he's competing with everyone not named Chrom/Palutena/Shulk/Chorus Guy/Mii/Pac-Man/Mewtwo/retro newcomer over one or two spots. All fans can do now is cross their fingers and hope that not only we get more than fourteen newcomers, but that their character of choice will claim the last spot or two that is made.

I hope that K. Rool gets in, I really do. I believe he is among the more likely potential additions and will fight for him until the end. But at the same time, we are running out of space and he is going to have a very hard time getting in. We'll be very lucky if he actually shows up in this game.
 

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Ridley's shadow seems to disconfirm Ridley because Sakurai has hinted at Ridley being a boss hazard for months and because the shadow doesn't behave anything like any playable character we've ever seen and its wingspan is tremendous and Sakurai explicitly says "Other boss characters will appear on other stages". Ridley's one of Sakurai's few chances to surpass the Yellow Devil. There's far more basis to dismiss him as dead than to dismiss Cranky Kong.

Kritters being in is great for K. Rool fans, but doesn't really help the character's chances, seeing as every series apparently has enemies in Smash Run and IIRC Tikis appeared as well.
 
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That's difficult to put any sort of ballpark quantitative value to. However, I believe that after seeing more obvious ROB disconfirmations in Brawl and Toon Link disconfirmations in SSB4, Ridley's situation is not as dire as those were. It's still plausible.
I don't know, with Toon Link he could easily be replaced with someone else on the train and have it not effect the stage, you can't really do that with Ridley. If you say they could just have Other M Ridley as the boss and have a different version of Ridley as the playable one I don't know if they'd want to do that. I say this because despite the fact that the playable and background Toon Link's are two different people wearing two completely different outfits they still felt the need to have someone take conductor Link's place while Toon Link was playable on the stage, because of this I don't see them wanting two Ridley's being playable and a boss even if they are technically different Ridley's.
 

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I don't know, with Toon Link he could easily be replaced with someone else on the train and have it not effect the stage, you can't really do that with Ridley. If you say they could just have Other M Ridley as the boss and have a different version of Ridley as the playable one I don't know if they'd want to do that. I say this because despite the fact that the playable and background Toon Link's are two different people wearing two completely different outfits they still felt the need to have someone take conductor Link's place while Toon Link was playable on the stage, because of this I don't see them wanting two Ridley's being playable and a boss even if they are technically different Ridley's.
I disagree with that stance on the basis that four people can play as the exact same character on the same stage at the same time.
 
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If it wouldn't matter then why did they feel the need to replace conductor Link on the train when Toon Link was playing on it?
Actually, it doesn't seem exclusive to Toon Link.
There's a pic of Alfonzo where Toon Link is not one of the four fighters.
 

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If it wouldn't matter then why did they feel the need to replace conductor Link on the train when Toon Link was playing on it?
That, I don't have an answer for, cause I myself don't see the point when it's already possible to have 4 Toon Link's fighting eachother on any stage.
 
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