Character Discussion Thread

[Substitution]

I hope that alone isn't enough to put Pichu on the radar.

Is it bad that I do kinda want Pichu?
Come on! Think of the potential!
He would be the best character to troll with.

 

[?????????????]

Is it bad that I do kinda want Pichu?
Come on! Think of the potential!
He would be the best character to troll with.

I did come up with a more unique moveset idea for him.

However, I myself have a bias against playable "baby characters." I don't see the appeal in playing as a character who is an undoubtedly weaker version of an already existing character.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Anybody who is a named Mario or is a sidekick of Mario who rarely appears in his own spin off games should not be his own IP.

They are ALL mario games, but what matters is whether they are more Mario or more spin off. And I would say that most Yoshi games are more Yoshi and Luigi's Mansion is more Mario.

 

[Pacack]

Is it bad that I do kinda want Pichu?
Come on! Think of the potential!
He would be the best character to troll with.

Spoiler

 

[?????????????]

Anybody who is a named Mario or is a sidekick of Mario who rarely appears in his own spin off games should not be his own IP.

Ooh! Here's a good one.

Where does Wario's Woods fit into all of this? It doesn't feature Mario at all, and Toad is the main character, but the game is named after Wario.

 

[Zynux]

Welp, its coming down to the wire.

Personal good lucks to Mewtwo/Ridley/KRool/Dixie/Palutena/Snake/Chrom/Takamaru/Shulk/Isaac fans, may this be the day that your fanbase shines.

I expect nothing, but hope for the reptiles myself.

 

[Substitution]

I did come up with a more unique moveset idea for him.

However, I myself have a bias against playable "baby characters." I don't see the appeal in playing as a character who is an undoubtedly weaker version of an already existing character.

Well, it was less of him being a "baby character", and more of being a joke.
Despite that, they could turn him Lethal Joke Character.

 

[N3ON]

Fine, you have me there.
But we still have Toad and Daisy.

Both of whom are much bigger in the series than Dr. Mario, who wouldn't even be given a second thought if it weren't for Melee. In which he was added because Sakurai didn't want to waste Wario and he liked Doc's theme.
Not that Toad or Daisy will be playable (or should be in the case of the latter)... but Toad is monumentally bigger to his series than even Rosalina, and Daisy fits the same argument as Bowser Jr in this situation - a character very similar to another, bigger in the series than Doc, yet dismissed while Doc is apparently not subjugated to the similarity stigma.

All right, you want it answered? Here.

We already have the big four and then some, there's no reason to add another.

That logic could also apply pre-Rosalina, as we already had the big four, yet we still got her. Wouldn't getting one more still be "the big four and then some" whether it was a newcomer or Doc?

The reason I think Dr. Mario has a better chance it because he's already been proven able to work.

So have Young Link and Pichu, but no one should be seriously expecting them instead of newcomers (though a Pokemon newcomer probably won't be happening).

He also has the "veteran" status behind him. That alone should at least put on somewhere on the list.

He is somewhere on the list, but just because he's a veteran doesn't mean that automatically puts him at the top.

 

[Pacack]

Ooh! Here's a good one.

Where does Wario's Woods fit into all of this? It doesn't feature Mario at all, and Toad is the main character, but the game is named after Wario.

That...













Is a very good question.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Welp, its coming down to the wire.

Personal good lucks to Mewtwo/Ridley/KRool/Dixie/Palutena/Snake/Chrom/Takamaru/Shulk/Isaac fans, may this be the day that your fanbase shines.

I expect nothing, but hope for the reptiles myself.

My head exploded. Also this should have given Toad some potential, but apparently Sakurai doesn't think he's unique enough.

 

[Starcutter]

Personal good lucks to Mewtwo/Ridley/KRool/Dixie/Palutena/Snake/Chrom/Takamaru/Shulk/Isaac fans, may this be the day that your fanbase shines.

what about Layton? :/

 

[Deleted member]

How does Wario fit into this? The first "Wario Land" is "Mario Land 3," so are the following Wario Land games still Mario games?

Miyamoto hasn't said anything in regards to Wario that I know of.
Though, Wario's more of a slippery slope.
Like Yoshi, the Wario Land games got their start as Mario titles. However, like I said before, starting with Wario Land 2, there were absolutely no traces of Mario and co. aside from Wario himself.


WarioWare at least can be counted as an entirely separate franchise without question.

Ooh! Here's a good one.
Where does Wario's Woods fit into all of this? It doesn't feature Mario at all, and Toad is the main character, but the game is named after Wario.

It takes place in the Mushroom Kingdom, and is before Wario Land 2.
Definite Mario title.

Mario games do not have to have Mario to be Mario games.
There are two Zelda titles that do not have Zelda (outside of a brief flashback in Majora's Mask), but that doesn't mean they aren't Zelda games.
They also don't even need to have Mario in the titles, with Shadow the Hedgehog being an example of a Sonic game that doesn't have Sonic in the tile nor has him as the star (though he still shows up).

 

[Zynux]

what about Layton? :/

Cut me some slack! I couldn't have remembered everybody.

(And I've never thought much about Layton since I'm ignorant of him, so pls don't hurt me)

 

[Substitution]

Both of whom are much bigger in the series than Dr. Mario, who wouldn't even be given a second thought if it weren't for Melee. In which he was added because Sakurai didn't want to waste Wario and he liked Doc's theme.

While I'll assume this is just sarcasm.
GoldenYuiitusin gave a better explanation then I ever will.

What had happened was, someone made a suggestion to have Dr. Mario be a costume for Mario prior to Melee's development. Sakurai didn't like that idea because of the fireball thing. Then when clones were being made, Dr. Mario was among the first to come to mind because of that previous suggestion as well as the Dr. Mario game being seen as a classic and Dr. Mario's inclusion serving as an excuse to have the music featured in Smash.
Technical limitations had nothing to do with it.

Not that Toad or Daisy will be playable (or should be in the case of the latter)... but Toad is monumentally bigger to his series than even Rosalina, and Daisy fits the same argument as Bowser Jr in this situation - a character very similar to another, bigger in the series than Doc, yet dismissed while Doc is apparently not subjugated to the similarity stigma.

Maybe because we've seen what Dr. Mario could do.
Where Toad and Daisy are mostly concepts. Dr. Mario did appear in a game.

That logic could also apply pre-Rosalina, as we already had the big four, yet we still got her. Wouldn't getting one more still be "the big four and then some" whether it was a newcomer or Doc?

Funny thing.
I thought that too, I always passed off Rosalina as just another overblown character.
Now look where we are now.

So have Young Link and Pichu, but no one should be seriously expecting them instead of newcomers (though a Pokemon newcomer probably won't be happening).

For Young Link, we have Toon Link.

And believe it or not Pichu does have a small following. He's not overly hated.

He is somewhere on the list, but just because he's a veteran doesn't mean that automatically puts him at the top.

Never said that.
But what I am trying to say is he at least has a chance. You can't deny that.
Heck, he almost did in Brawl.

Look, it's clear that the both of us won't change our opinion on the matter.
Say can't we just bury the hatchet and move on?

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

There can be no explanation for Yoshi not coming during the direct!

 

[Substitution]

Oh I have one!
They wait till the Summer...

 

[Nu~]

Welp, its coming down to the wire.

Personal good lucks to Mewtwo/Ridley/KRool/Dixie/Palutena/Snake/Chrom/Takamaru/Shulk/Isaac fans, may this be the day that your fanbase shines.

I expect nothing, but hope for the reptiles myself.

ummm, pacman? But he's probably e3 material.

 

[N3ON]

While I'll assume this is just sarcasm.
GoldenYuiitusin gave a better explanation then I ever will.

It's not sarcasm, Golden even mentioned the theme as part of the reasoning he gave.

Maybe because we've seen what Dr. Mario could do.
Where Toad and Daisy are mostly concepts. Dr. Mario did appear in a game.

By that logic we shouldn't have ever gotten cuts in the first place. But we did. And we got newcomers in those series with cut characters even though at one point those characters were "mostly concepts".

Funny thing.
I thought that too, I always passed off Rosalina as just another overblown character.
Now look where we are now.

You missed (or avoided) the point. We'd be at "the main four and then some" no matter if we added a newcomer or Doc or stayed the same. If there's no reason to add another now, why was there a reason to add the "then some" in the first place.

And there is a reason to add another now: because the series is huge and still has highly popular highly feasible remaining potential newcomers. There are more reasons to add characters from other series, but it's not like there aren't any reasons to add more Mario characters.

For Young Link, we have Toon Link.

So? By your logic we shouldn't have got him instead of YL, because YL was already proven to work. I think that proves how veterans don't have the security you seem to think.

And believe it or not Pichu does have a small following. He's not overly hated.

He's pretty darn hated. And I wasn't talking about popularity, I was talking about chances.

Never said that.
But what I am trying to say is he at least has a chance. You can't deny that.
Heck, he almost did in Brawl.

No, what you were saying is that he's the only Mario character that still has a chance by saying the chance of another Mario newcomer has gone out the window. That puts him right at the top of the list. I never denied he had a chance, I said several others have a better chance, and I stand by that.

Look, it's clear that the both of us won't change our opinion on the matter.
Say can't we just bury the hatchet and move on?

I suppose we should, it's hard to keep things straight with someone who does so much backpeddling.

 

[Substitution]

But, before that.

I suppose we should, it's hard to keep things straight with someone who does so much backtracking.

I love you too!

----
The Direct is almost here BTW.
Here's hoping predictions come true!

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

The odd part about the Mario franchise talk is that unlike with Toad, Dr. Mario, and Daisy, Bowser Jr. is actually able to operate in a much different manner than Bowser. His moveset could focus entirely on his magic paintbrush, and his brush attacks could offer added effects, which could even include leaving portions of the battlefield covered with slippery graffiti that can damage opponents on contact.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Where's the countdown?
45 minutes till Show Time!!

 

[Starcutter]

you guys see that leak?

it has Marshal! (in the form of "Chorus Kid" but they are the same person.)


Hope Marshal gets in, cause he's been on my roster as of late.

 

[Nu~]

30 minutes...

Lets all hope for our most wanted characters!

 

[Autumn ♫]

Just under 30 minutes and we'll see Vaati get confirmed for playable in SSB4!

 

[Substitution]

Just under 30 minutes and we'll see Octorok get confirmed for playable in SSB4!

Fixed.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Has the newcomers been leaked yet?

 

[UltimateWario]

Take it to the Direct thread, people. No need to let that nonsense spread here.

Think of this as holy ground. -choir-

 

[BluePikmin11]

20 more minutes.. please make a curveball Sakurai.

 

[Substitution]

Has the newcomers been leaked yet?

Not that I know of...

 

[Nu~]

Has the newcomers been leaked yet?

nope, 20 min

 

[Shalashaska]

At the risk of being told that this is the wrong place to ask this, does anyone know if the Direct will stream well enough on a phone?

 

[Zynux]

ummm, pacman? But he's probably e3 material.

Pacman too. Though I'm pretty confident that he'll get in anyways.

I'll even send my regards to characters whose inclusion I disagree against, like Mii, Impa, Toon Zelda, and Krystal. While we all like to argue over opinions over the internet, at the end of the day is ****ing sucks to have a character that you like not make it in. I've been through it myself. So good luck to those fanbases as well. I'm not even kidding.

 

[False Sense]

Anyone else here both totally excited yet completely terrified?

 

[Substitution]

Oh, oh the fanboy tears.
The ones that will be cried in anger and frustration.

I love it.

 

[BluePikmin11]

The guy who leaked the leaky 3 claimed that the Chorus men (A.K.A. Marshals), Chrom, Palutena, Shulk, and a Pokemon from X and Y will be revealed in the direct. Keep in watch

 

[True Blue Warrior]

The guy who leaked the leaky 3 claimed that the Chorus men (A.K.A. Marshals), Chrom, Palutena, Shulk, and a Pokemon from X and Y will be revealed in the direct. Keep in watch

Source?

 

[Zynux]

Goroh confirmed Assist!

EDIT: Ridley most likely disconfirmed. *Sigh*

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

Ridley has all but been deconfirmed.

...There could still be hope, but...

 

[Arcanir]

So... that deconfirms Ridley, Tiki, Samurai Goroh, Saki, Lyn, Midna, Dark Samus, Meowth, Eevee, Deoxys, the Gen 6 starters, and Victini so far.

The list keeps growing...

Also, no transformations, ZSS is separate.

Edit: And we just got trolled with Psuedo-Palutena.

 

[UltimateWario]

I know this isn't the place for this, but this board is where I hung out most during my short time here, so this is where I'm putting it.

I just wanna say that I've really had fun here. I've made a lot of good friends, had some good discussions, and some good debates. Now that Ridley's been deconfirmed (along with Sakurai's brain), I'm leaving. There's no reason for me to discuss a game I know longer give a **** about. Maybe I'll be back for Smash 5, if someone new is directing it.

See you all later. Thanks for all the fish.