Character Discussion Thread

[BluePikmin11]

But we don't even know how the roster will be formatted. No offense or anything, but... How can anyone possibly predict this?

It will probably be organized like Brawl, just like how everyone else's prediction roster is.

 

[Baskerville]

But we don't even know how the roster will be formatted. No offense or anything, but... How can anyone possibly predict this?

Heck, we don't even know if it's going to be horizontal.

They can't. It's just another fan thing.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

No row roster wars please, I get how a newcomer shouldn't be excluded because of roster design, but that is how I feel what will happen.

I really don't get why you "feel" that it'll happen like that when there's literally no sense to be had in excluding a character, not for the reason because of their merits, popularity, relevance, recency, recurrency, uniqueness, marketability, or veteranship, but because you couldn't make your roster look pretty with them.

All this while you still cling onto Dr. Kawashima.

The only "feeling" I'm getting out of this roster is the feeling of my hand performing a facepalm.

 

[Kenith]

Gotta say, some of these "prediction" rosters legitimize the cliched phrase "I don't want fans in charge of the roster, Sakurai does such a better job." In spite of his questionable choices, he definitely does by comparison.

I'm sorry! I love Ghirahim, I can't help it!!

 

[FlareHabanero]

Gotta say, some of these "prediction" rosters legitimize the cliched phrase "I don't want fans in charge of the roster, Sakurai does such a better job." In spite of his questionable choices, he definitely does by comparison.

It doesn't help nobody knows anything about fighting game conventions.

 

[Joe D.]

At this point, I couldn't care less who we were to get as a FE rep. Marth, Ike, Roy, Chrom, Lucina, Robin, Jack, Peter, Kendrick, Yusef, Adolph, whatever. I just want these repetitive FE discussions to end.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I really don't get why you "feel" that it'll happen like that when there's literally no sense to be had in excluding a character not because of their merits, popularity, relevance, recency, recurrency, uniqueness, marketability, or veteranship, but because you couldn't make your roster look pretty with them.

All this while you still cling onto Dr. Kawashima.

The only "feeling" I'm getting out of this roster is the feeling of my hand performing a facepalm.

I get it alright.
I've been through and seen this situation before. If you want a better reason, it's because Chrom doesn't really have the diversity and uniqueness to make it as a playable character.

 

[Kenith]

It doesn't help nobody knows anything about fighting game conventions.

What do you mean by that, exactly?

 

[False Sense]

I get it alright.
I've been through and seen this situation before. If you want a better reason, it's because Chrom doesn't really have the diversity and uniqueness to make it as a playable character.

Should I go on another Robin rant again?

...Eh, I think I've done enough of that for now.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Should I go on another Robin rant again?

...Eh, I think I've done enough of that for now.

Robin is unique indeed, but I think it's unlikely he'll be considered.

 

[Opossum]

I get it alright.
I've been through and seen this situation before. If you want a better reason, it's because Chrom doesn't really have the diversity and uniqueness to make it as a playable character.

Isn't part of your basis for supporting Nook that he can use things from Super Mario Bros. 3 instead of Animal Crossing?

 

[False Sense]

Robin is unique indeed, but I think it's unlikely he'll be considered.

Dr. Kawashima

In Robin's defense, he/she is one of the main characters of Awakening alongside Chrom. There is the issue of being an avatar, but with Villager being present on the roster, that doesn't seem to be an issue. I think Robin could definitely be considered as an option, at the very least.

 

[FlareHabanero]

What do you mean by that, exactly?

Nobody considering diversity, balance, hell even competence. Which is reflected with people saying stuff without backing it up at all or not considering the factor of it contributing to anything.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

The Chrom and Lucina tag team idea could work the way in which it works in the MvC series. Would be a fitting thing considering all the fighting game influences.

And I already made a major rant on why it is unjustifiable to put in Zoroark in a prediction roster and yet BluePikmin does so once again, despite Zoroark obviously being unlikely.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Isn't part of your basis for supporting Nook that he can use things from Super Mario Bros. 3 instead of Animal Crossing?

Yeah, because it fits so well to Tom Nook and fits his character when thinking of a recovery move for the merchant. Let's not get into Chrom debate though, I simply don't see it happening.

Dr. Kawashima

In Robin's defense, he/she is one of the main characters of Awakening alongside Chrom. There is the issue of being an avatar, but with Villager being present on the roster, that doesn't seem to be an issue. I think Robin could definitely be considered as an option, at the very least.

And he considered Wii Fit Trainer, it's not that unlikely.
We'll see if Robin gets picked, but I don't think it's happening.

 

[BKupa666]

I'm adding Brash the Bear to my prediction roster because Sakurai considered Wii Fit Trainer.

He's also been mentioned at least twice as much as Wii Fit Trainer now on Smash forums, so he's a guessable character next time E3 rolls around.

 

[UltimateWario]

I'm adding Brash the Bear to my prediction roster because Sakurai considered Wii Fit Trainer.

He's also been mentioned at least twice as much as Wii Fit Trainer now on Smash forums, so he's a guessable character next time E3 rolls around.

We need more characters in undersized wifebeaters.

 

[FalKoopa]

Well, to break the current flow. I'll post my roster. You can replace Roy with Chrom. I haven't gotten around making a roster icon for him.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Yeah I know, it doesn't mean minor characters from a franchise can be considered.

 

[False Sense]

Yeah, because it fits so well to Tom Nook and fits his character when thinking of a recovery move for the merchant. Let's not get into Chrom debate though, I simply don't see it happening.


And he considered Wii Fit Trainer, it's not that unlikely.
We'll see if Robin gets picked, but I don't think it's happening.

How does flying at all fit his character? He never does anything like that in Animal Crossing. He just happens to be a tanooki. By that logic, Chrom should be able to do anything previous humans Lords in the Fire Emblem series could do.

As for Wii Fit Trainer, from what Sakurai said, it seems he considered her partially because no one expected her. And I've said this before, several times really, but adding one character no one expects is alright for a surprise. But add too many of these characters no one expected or wanted, and you alienate your audience and decrease interest in the game as a whole.

Also, couldn't your Wii Fit Trainer logic apply to Robin as well? Really, what you're saying is that Wii Fit Trainer is evidence that any and all characters are possible, so why are you using that to justify characters like Kawashima but then don't use it for, well, everyone else?

 

[Deleted member]

Well, to break the current flow. I'll post my roster. You can replace Roy with Chrom. I haven't gotten around making a roster icon for him.

~Whoa~

I'm sorry but it was begging me to do this

 

[andimidna]

Final roster before direct.

My only problems with this are:
-Jigglypuff is cut
I suggest you add her back. And if this means keeping Zoroark too, I suggest a Mario and Zelda newcomer so the series aren't too out of balance.
-No Fire Emblem Newcomer
I think it's definitely happening. I see no reason to suspect it won't be. There was supposed to be 3 in Brawl already. It had 2 in Melee when it was a Japan-only series with only 6 games. Now there are 13.
-Less of a problem, but I'm not seeing Dr. Kawashima happening. I could see Prince Sable and Tom Nook happen, but not Dr. Kawashima, this is less of a problem that the first 2 though. I'd also suggest switching Rows 3 and 4, I think it would look better that way, you have some various characters above long-standing series in Smash Bros. And Pokemon is bigger than Kirby, so I think it would make sense.

 

[BluePikmin11]

How does flying at all fit his character? He never does anything like that in Animal Crossing. He just happens to be a tanooki. By that logic, Chrom should be able to do anything previous humans Lords in the Fire Emblem series could do.

As for Wii Fit Trainer, from what Sakurai said, it seems he considered her partially because no one expected her. And I've said this before, several times really, but adding one character no one expects is alright for a surprise. But add too many of these characters no one expected or wanted, and you alienate your audience and decrease interest in the game as a whole.

Also, couldn't your Wii Fit Trainer logic apply to Robin as well? Really, what you're saying is that Wii Fit Trainer is evidence that any and all characters are possible, so why are you using that to justify characters like Kawashima but then don't use it for, well, everyone else?

What else do you think his recovery could be besides that?
Yeah I know, there won't be too much of them, I don't have too many of them in my roster, there's Shulk, Palutena, Pac-Man, Dixie, Mii and Layton to hype the audience.
It could apply, but I think it's sign that he'll pick characters from completely different genres, so it's much different than Robin.

 

[Bowserlick]

It doesn't help nobody knows anything about fighting game conventions.

Well to be fair, the people who claim to know about fighting game conventions have not been very good at predicting the roster either.

 

[FlareHabanero]

 

[False Sense]

What else do you think his recovery could be besides that?
Yeah I know, there won't be too much of them, I don't have too many of them in my roster, there's Shulk, Palutena, Pac-Man, Dixie, and Layton to hype the audience.
It could apply, but I think it's sign that he'll pick characters from completely different genres, so it's much different than Robin.

1.) That's an excellent question. But is there an answer?

2.) A lot of people think Wii Fit Trainer alone is too much.

3.) Hard to say, really. I think that's up to interpretation.

 

[FalKoopa]

I'm sorry but it was begging me to do this

I'm honoured that they were meme-worthy.

 

[Starcutter]

I'm adding Brash the Bear to my prediction roster because Sakurai considered Wii Fit Trainer.

He's also been mentioned at least twice as much as Wii Fit Trainer now on Smash forums, so he's a guessable character next time E3 rolls around.

He looks like he'd put up a fight in court

 

[FalKoopa]

He looks like he'd put up a fight in court

Banging desks isn't just an Ace Attorney thing after all.

 

[andimidna]

What do you guys think is going to happen with Tom Nook?

The way he looked at that letter in Villager's trailer was odd...

He's pretty much the only Animal Crossing character not deconfirmed yet. (Exaggeration)

And now Isabelle and most likely Resetti will be assists...
I really was not expecting him, but I seriously think he has a good shot now.

 

[BluePikmin11]

1.) That's an excellent question. But is there an answer?

2.) A lot of people think Wii Fit Trainer alone is too much.

3.) Hard to say, really. I think that's up to interpretation.

1. I think it would be very lacking if Tom Nook used Balloons as his recovery, there's not much you can take from Animal Crossing for plausible recoveries if Sakurai does not want Tom Nook to have the same moves as the Villager.
2. Yeah, but that's just overreaction like every other regular person to me, besides the final roster was already decided in summer, it's not like Sakurai change it for the fans right now if he has Kawashima planned in the roster.
3. For sure it's not going to be minor characters from a franchise, the character itself needs to at least have the merits and uniqueness to get into the roster, not everyone is possible.

 

[FlareHabanero]

What do you guys think is going to happen with Tom Nook?

The way he looked at that letter in Villager's trailer was odd...

He's pretty much the only Animal Crossing character not deconfirmed yet. (Exaggeration)

And now Isabelle and most likely Resetti will be assists...
I really was not expecting him, but I seriously think he has a good shot now.

My opinion is that people are being a bunch of try hards.

 

[False Sense]

1. I think it would be very lacking if Tom Nook used Balloons as his recovery, there's not much you can take from Animal Crossing for plausible recoveries if Sakurai does not want Tom Nook to have the same moves as the Villager.
2. Yeah, but that's just overreaction like every other regular person to me, besides the final roster was already decided in summer, it's not like Sakurai change it for the fans right now if he has Kawashima planned in the roster.
3. For sure it's not going to be minor characters from a franchise, the character itself needs to at least have the merits and uniqueness to get into the roster, not everyone is possible.

1.) Yeah, I agree. That's kind of why I think Villager alone is good enough representation for Animal Crossing. He does the vast majority of what Tom Nook would do if he were playable. All Tom Nook has left for him now are a few scraps leftover and... tanooki powers... the latter of which of course doesn't actually represent Animal Crossing.

2.) True. But I would think that Sakurai would know at this point that adding characters in that no one expected/wanted will get some degree of negative feedback. I'd think that's why we only got a few in Melee and Brawl.

3.) Well, we certainly aren't going to get minor characters from franchises, I agree. But didn't this third line of debate start off with Robin? He's/She's not a minor character, he's/she's one of two main characters. If Chrom is considered a viable Smash candidate, then logically Robin is as well. Not as likely, but viable as an important character to represent his/her game and franchise.

 

[Starcutter]

Banging desks isn't just an Ace Attorney thing after all.

Yeah but it's the first thing I thought of...

 

[UltimateWario]

Final roster before direct.

I've already told myself that, if Ridley isn't included, I likely will only rent the game (because I'm not impressed/convinced enough to buy it at launch otherwise), but if this were the roster, I probably wouldn't even rent it or buy it later.

EDIT: In case anyone wants to jump down my throat about "NO RIDLEY NO BUY", it's more like "If Ridley's in, I will buy". Think of it this way: I'm not buying the game by default. However, if Ridley is in, that will convince me to buy the game when I otherwise would not. It's not like I'm overcoming my intense want for the game just to spite Sakurai, it's that I'm genuinely unimpressed with the game so far (besides Little Mac <3) and I don't really have a reason to buy it unless one of my favorite characters is added.

 

[andimidna]

As cool as a solo Robin would be... I still want a Tactician in Smash Bros like this.

I now think it would be really awesome to see the Tactician in Smash Bros... As a Tactician.
Just imagine... He controls characters. It could be just like the Pokemon Trainer.
Before the match, you have to choose 3 out of the choices of units.
And for your benefit, you would generally pick characters that wield different weapons.
Robin or a generic Tactician design would be in the background moving like he's controlling the characters movements.
Only 3 out of the choices can be taken in per battle.
This is about as true to Fire Emblem as you can get to choosing a rep from the series.
Like PT, Tactician wouldn't fight. That's not his job, giving orders is.
The cast the character could choose could include SOME of the following:
Tacticians control lords...
Chrom & Lucina
Roy
Leif
Lyndis
Eliwood
Hector
Seliph
Ephraim & Eirika
And they also control the supporting characters...
Anna
Tiki
Tharja
Micaiah
Lissa
Palla, Catria, & Est

Implementing all of them seems unrealistic. However the gimmick is the Tactician himself, Seliph and Roy with the same moveset, or Micaiah and Tharja with the same moveset, Or Chrom & Lucina and Ephraim & Eirika with the same moveset wouldn't matter. It just means it would be poor strategy to take both units/ pairs of units.
Fire Emblem is a strategy game.
This seems so true to the game, even though I just started considering it... The idea is already in my top most wanted characters.
Tactician could be considered the main character of the series, easily.
And this is what he does.
There are many requested and deserving Fire emblem characters.. To pass up on certain ones would be a missed opportunity.

Have others already suggested this?
Seems like most people just want Robin as a Mage.

I've already told myself that, if Ridley isn't included, I likely will only rent the game (because I'm not impressed/convinced enough to buy it at launch otherwise), but if this were the roster, I probably wouldn't even rent it or buy it later.

I'd still buy it for Rosalina and Palutena, but I'd be a bit disappointed too.

 

[False Sense]

I've already told myself that, if Ridley isn't included, I likely will only rent the game (because I'm not impressed/convinced enough to buy it at launch otherwise), but if this were the roster, I probably wouldn't even rent it or buy it later.

This is why I'm saying we can't have a roster full of characters that no one expected or wanted.

 

[BluePikmin11]

1.) Yeah, I agree. That's kind of why I think Villager alone is good enough representation for Animal Crossing. He does the vast majority of what Tom Nook would do if he were playable. All Tom Nook has left for him now are a few scraps leftover and... tanooki powers... the latter of which of course doesn't actually represent Animal Crossing.

2.) True. But I would think that Sakurai would know at this point that adding characters in that no one expected/wanted will get some degree of negative feedback. I'd think that's why we only got a few in Melee and Brawl.

3.) Well, we certainly aren't going to get minor characters from franchises, I agree. But didn't this third line of debate start off with Robin? He's/She's not a minor character, he's/she's one of two main characters. If Chrom is considered a viable Smash candidate, then logically Robin is as well. Not as likely, but viable as an important character to represent his/her game and franchise.

1. As a merchant, I think he would function completely different from the Villager. Without counting the Tanooki powers, he could use a broom, furniture for the majority of his moveset, and use debt for a unique kind of playstyle. There's alot you can do with him and that's not the vast majority Villager is "representing".
2. If he is adding the unexpected, he would know what he's adding and know the unexpected will get positive feedback if executed correctly. Every newcomer will probably get negative feedback, no one can stop it, I don't think Sakurai cares too much about it.
3. Robin and Chrom could be considered and are viable indeed, I didn't say Robin was, sorry for misinterpretation. :o

 

[JamesDNaux]

@ BluePikmin11
You're talking as if Sakurai already added Nook, which makes zero sense. "Villager was too peaceful so I didn't add him, lol never mind I'm adding two AC characters now." Not to mention everything you keep saying that makes him "unique" is **** you made up that would never happen, like him using Mario powers somehow.

I've already mentioned this before as well, but please tell, why exactly does a single "wtf" character mean that we're going to get five more? There's also the fact that Kawashima is based on a real person who isn't even Reggie amirite? His appearance as a playable character is solely your idea in the first place. Also of note, we only ever got a single "wtf" character in Melee and Brawl each, being Mr. Game & Watch and R.O.B. Miss Fit was already revealed, we already have our "wtf."

You talk about merits and uniqueness, yet you pick characters mostly on uniqueness alone with absolutely no merits at all. Being unique is not a one-way ticket in, and the only character you have with any merits is Nook, who isn't unique at all (again, Nook using Mario's tanooki suit is not thing, it's like saying Krystal will get in and use weapons from Kid Icarus). All you seem to do when making a roster is pick a bunch of random characters that no one's ever heard about and toss them in. Out of three games in the franchise, not once has that happened, the majority of the roster are popular and big-name characters that people actually care about.

 

[Kenith]

Nobody considering diversity, balance, hell even competence. Which is reflected with people saying stuff without backing it up at all or not considering the factor of it contributing to anything.

...I do. In fact, my conservative roster is actually created with that exact intention. Not the one I just posted.

My opinion is that people are being a bunch of try hards.

I'm with you here. No, people, that patch of purple pixels (that's a mouthful) in that image of Pyrosphere is not Ridley's tail.
No, people, that Phantom does not replace Sheik. You guys are looking too deeply into these things.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm off to finish my list of reasons why Ghirahim is certain to be in the new Zelda Wii U.