Character Discussion Thread

[Louie G.]

We don't need any franchise other than Mario bowling over on assist trophies. The others can stay limited to one assist trophy each.

Or two.
Zelda, Metroid, Animal Crossing, and Kirby can easily warrant two assists.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Or two.
Zelda, Metroid, Animal Crossing, and Kirby can easily warrant two assists.

If so, then only a select few can have two assist trophies, but Yoshi, Third Party, Animal Crossing, and F-Zero can stay limited to one assist trophy each.

 

[JamesDNaux]

Since when were assist trophies limited? What is there, an assist roster now? There's nothing stopping Mario from having ten assists or AC from having five.

 

[False Sense]

Thanks for the compliments, and I knew that Tom Nook was the big kicker in this roster.
I chose Nook for various reasons.

-We just got Isabelle as an assist trophy, and I doubt that Resetti is getting the boot. That's two Animal Crossing assist trophies. Three is certainly pushing it, don't you think?

-We have not yet seen Tom in the background of Smashville. That isn't saying he's not there, but so far it doesn't look like it.

-Nook seemed very interested in Villager's mail. Not sure what it means, but it could very well point to Nook's inclusion.

-The more I think about it, the cooler of a character Tom Nook could be. Whacking people with bags full of bells (thanks @Scoliosis Jones), using furniture as projectiles and for edge-guarding strategy, using his tanooki powers...

-Animal Crossing is a big and popular series, and I think Sakurai realizes that all of this AC content is overdue. Thus a second character is likely. A similar situation happened with Fire Emblem, and Fire Emblem isn't even close to AC in terms of popularity and iconicness.

So, arguing against those points? Ok then.

-Kind of hard to say what's pushing it in terms of Assists. But I think two for a series like Animal crossing isn't too much.

-We just flat out haven't seen many characters in the background of that stage. There's only a total of three pictures we have now that we know have a different set of background characters from all the others, any of which Tom Nook could appear in.

-Up to interpretation, but I would think anyone would be interested in the mail that someone got that made them run off like that.

-More of an opinion than anything else, I can't really argue against this. Although I don't think "tanooki powers" is something Tom Nook should or would use...

-I don't know, with the limited amount of newcomers we're likely to get, using up a slot on a second character to a newly introduced series (and a character that really isn't that requested) seems a bit odd. Fire Emblem got a character and a clone of that character.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Since when were assist trophies limited? What is there, an assist roster now? There's nothing stopping Mario from having ten assists or AC from having five.

It's kinda simple. In Brawl, Mario was the only franchise with multiple assist trophies. Mario's Nintendo's mascot franchise, so it's easy to understand why it deserves multiple assist trophies. Maybe Zelda can get multiples this time, but One Rep and Third Party franchises can stay limited to one assist trophy each.

 

[Louie G.]

Animal Crossing is a big series and shouldn't be limited to one assist. Two is an ideal number: Isabelle and the returning Resetti.

And thanks for actually putting some effort into it @ False Sense .

 

[Deleted member]

He isn't looking at the letter; he's looking at the empty envelope.
Villager ran off with the letter.


EDIT: I'm not trying to come off as an ******* dream killer.
I don't have any problem with Nook, but evidence is heavily against him being playable if not outright proves it, and it's bizarre to me that people are going in the opposite direction with it. Just like the ones that would argue that Toad had not been down for the count when we saw Peach have the Toad Shield again.

Letter or envelope, it remains true that Nook is the most popular and known AC character, it's no coincidence he's the most prominently featured in that AC portion of Villager's reveal trailer. He's not that likely, but it would make some sense - if it were given any reps before, Nook would be a shoo-in. I can see how Sakurai may feel like he has to make up for that by adding two reps.

Plus most importantly, Tom Nook has a good reason to fight - he can make mad bank once he sells a house to Wario and imagine the lease on DK Island.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Animal Crossing is a big series and shouldn't be limited to one assist. Two is an ideal number: Isabelle and the returning Resetti.

And thanks for actually putting some effort into it @ False Sense .

Here's the problem. For all we know, Animal Crossing is a one rep franchise, we cannot have a franchise represented with multiple assist trophies and only one player, that's just stupid!

 

[False Sense]

Here's the problem. For all we know, Animal Crossing is a one rep franchise, we cannot have a franchise represented with multiple assist trophies and only one player, that's just stupid!

That's an opinion.

 

[Opossum]

I gotta say, I'm with Golden on this one. Nook's out, in my opinion. Remember the whole, "Only the characters shown on the Website are the fighters" quote? Tom Nook was first shown in the trailer with a non-playable role. His goose is pretty cooked.

 

[RouffWestie]

Here it comes

 

[JamesDNaux]

It's kinda simple. In Brawl, Mario was the only franchise with multiple assist trophies. Mario's Nintendo's mascot franchise, so it's easy to understand why it deserves multiple assist trophies. Maybe Zelda can get multiples this time, but One Rep and Third Party franchises can stay limited to one assist trophy each.

How are assist trophies based solely around what Mario had? That's just inherently flawed logic. Not to mention the multiple assist trophies from franchises who had no playable characters at all. Ridley was also apparently supposed to be an assist at one point, which would have left Metroid at two. Don't forget that Sakurai tends to give attention to franchises in different ways, like how Zelda is getting lots of items this time for no apparent reason or how Metroid gets more stages than others.

Here's the problem. For all we know, Animal Crossing is a one rep franchise, we cannot have a franchise represented with multiple assist trophies and only one player, that's just stupid!

No more stupid than Animal Crossing getting a stage, item, and assist trophy with no playable character.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Tom Nook could be a semi clone of Villager easily.

Also, I could see Impa happening in the Direct. Also, a bunch of veterans and more action of the current confirmed cast. Moreso focussing on Little Mac, Diddy, Marth, Zelda and King Dedede.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

I gotta say, I'm with Golden on this one. Nook's out, in my opinion. Remember the whole, "Only the characters shown on the Website are the fighters" quote? Tom Nook was first shown in the trailer with a non-playable role. His goose is pretty cooked.

While I also don't think Tom Nook will be playable, if you'll permit me, I have a disproval of your theory.

During the E3 Trailer, we also see Toon Link conducting the spirit train in the 3DS version, and yet, he was confirmed three months later as playable.

 

[Louie G.]

Here it comes

I like it!
My only problem is no 3rd DK rep. I find that to be a given, at this point. K. Rool and Dixie have a lot to bring to Smash and getting neither is pretty unlikely imo.

Also, I could see Impa happening in the Direct. Also, a bunch of veterans and more action of the current confirmed cast. Moreso focussing on Little Mac, Diddy, Marth, Zelda and King Dedede.

Well we haven't talked about this in a while, have we?

 

[BluePikmin11]

Tom Nook could be a semi clone of Villager easily.

Also, I could see Impa happening in the Direct. Also, a bunch of veterans and more action of the current confirmed cast. Moreso focussing on Little Mac, Diddy, Marth, Zelda and King Dedede.

You don't know Tom Nook at all. :C

 

[Opossum]

While I also don't think Tom Nook will be playable, if you'll permit me, I have a disproval of your theory.

During the E3 Trailer, we also see Toon Link conducting the spirit train in the 3DS version, and yet, he was confirmed three months later as playable.

If we're getting technical, that was a different Link altogether. Spirit Tracks Link is a descendant of Wind Waker Link.

 

[kylexv]

Here's the problem. For all we know, Animal Crossing is a one rep franchise, we cannot have a franchise represented with multiple assist trophies and only one player, that's just stupid!

That's why Tom Nook's going to be in.

 

[FlareHabanero]

You don't know Tom Nook at all. :C

He's that badger who forces you to buy a house and live in 40 trillions years of ridiculous debt, right?

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

How are assist trophies based solely around what Mario had? That's just inherently flawed logic. Not to mention the multiple assist trophies from franchises who had no playable characters at all. Ridley was also apparently supposed to be an assist at one point, which would have left Metroid at two. Don't forget that Sakurai tends to give attention to franchises in different ways, like how Zelda is getting lots of items this time for no apparent reason or how Metroid gets more stages than others.

No more stupid than Animal Crossing getting a stage, item, and assist trophy with no playable character.

Well, even if I were to believe other franchises would get multiple assist trophies, there's one thing for sure. Third party franchises? One assist trophy each!

 

[N3ON]

I gotta say, I'm with Golden on this one. Nook's out, in my opinion. Remember the whole, "Only the characters shown on the Website are the fighters" quote? Tom Nook was first shown in the trailer with a non-playable role. His goose is pretty cooked.

Not that I think Nook will be playable, but that sounds similar to the reasoning many people gave against ROB in Brawl.

 

[JamesDNaux]

You don't know Tom Nook at all. :C

Yeah...

 

[Opossum]

Not that I think Nook will be playable, but that sounds similar to the reasoning many people gave against ROB in Brawl.

On the surface, I can see your point. The thing with R.O.B., though, is that there are many of them. Tom Nook's the only Tom Nook. That's what's damning to him, in my eyes.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

If we're getting technical, that was a different Link altogether. Spirit Tracks Link is a descendant of Wind Waker Link.

Oh, forgot about that.

 

[Deleted member]

To play a bit of devil's advocate, when Super smash Bros. Melee was first shown off we saw Zelda, Ganondorf, Pichu, and Jigglypuff during the CGI cinematic that would later become the opening cinematic, and all of them were confirmed for playable later on. Even if you discount the last minute clones, we still had Zelda and Jigglypuff.

Given that Jigglypuff had been previously playable before, the only one that applies to the case of Nook (if the clones are discounted) is Zelda.

.......I can't even believe this reasoning.

he hasn't even been shown in game period. where does it show nook's roll in the game in that trailer? because it doesn't.

The only reason you can't believe it is because you're clouded by your own bias for Nook.
Regardless of not being shown in-game yet (which we so far have only two pictures that contain characters outside the initial two sets, both just in the last 3 weeks), Tom Nook was shown in plain sight in a trailer for Villager. If he was meant to have his own trailer and be another Newcomer, he wouldn't be making an early appearance in Villager's.

Also, we don't expect Doc for other reasons, not cause he was in mac's trailer.

Doc has every right to be in Smash like Nook, so why shouldn't you expect him if you expect Nook?
After all, he only appears in Mac's trailer and hasn't been shown in-game period.

 

[N3ON]

On the surface, I can see your point. The thing with R.O.B., though, is that there are many of them. Tom Nook's the only Tom Nook. That's what's damning to him, in my eyes.

I'm moreso thinking of it from a "previously shown means not playable" perspective. Yes there are differences, which is why it isn't a perfect parallel, but I don't think Nook already been shown in the trailer is reason to dismiss him.

I think getting two AC newcomers, Nook being of questionable potential, Villager having been the popular choice, and Sakurai perhaps not even considering such a character as much more sound reasoning to not expect him.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Good afternoon fellow Smash Bros enthusiasts. I'm glad to see more rosters before the direct, and I thought I'd join in on the fun and toss in my own:

A standard 47 character roster, which I think is a reasonable number. Anyways, let me know what you think.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Good afternoon fellow Smash Bros enthusiasts. I'm glad to see more rosters before the direct, and I thought I'd join in on the fun and toss in my own:

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A standard 47 character roster, which I think is a reasonable number. Anyways, let me know what you think.

Eh, it could use Krystal and Dixie Kong

 

[Opossum]

While I'm here, here are my two pre-Direct prediction rosters. One is the more conservative 50 Character scenario, while the other is the more liberal 50 Slot scenario.

50 Character Roster:

And the 50 Slot Roster:

Thoughts? What do you like/dislike? Which is more likely? Which do you enjoy more?

 

[CatRaccoonBL]

I like Tom Nook.

That is to be expected of a guy whose favorite animal is raccoons. If I were to make a list of my top 10 favorite animal crossing characters, Tom Nook would be number 1.

However, I'm fine with Villager. I get my animal crossing fix just fine with him.

As for the letter theory, I need to see some more proof before I start believing it...

Good afternoon fellow Smash Bros enthusiasts. I'm glad to see more rosters before the direct, and I thought I'd join in on the fun and toss in my own:

View attachment 11447
A standard 47 character roster, which I think is a reasonable number. Anyways, let me know what you think.

I would be fine with this roster. Reasonable to say we will get a bunch of popular character choices.

Not entirely my cup of tea seeing how I'm more of a fan of cute characters and most of the wanted characters...aren't, but I think a majority would fine - excited about this roster.

 

[BluePikmin11]

To play a bit of devil's advocate, when Super smash Bros. Melee was first shown off we saw Zelda, Ganondorf, Pichu, and Jigglypuff during the CGI cinematic that would later become the opening cinematic, and all of them were confirmed for playable later on. Even if you discount the last minute clones, we still had Zelda and Jigglypuff.

And Sheik too.

 

[N3ON]

@ Opossum
I like the one with Shulk cuz Shulk but I can't help think that Chibi-Robo is nothing more than AT material, even with his multiple titles.

 

[FlareHabanero]

And Sheik too.

Nope, Sheik was shown off as one of the first characters.

Mario
Peach
Bowser
Pikachu
Fox
Link
Sheik
Samus
Ness
Captain Falcon
Kirby
Ice Climbers

 

[Opossum]

@ Opossum
I like the one with Shulk cuz Shulk but I can't help think that Chibi-Robo is nothing more than AT material, even with his multiple titles.

Mainly threw him on as a last "surprise" character of sorts.

 

[N3ON]

Mainly threw him on as a last "surprise" character of sorts.

I see. Well as far as "surprise" characters go there are more surprising choices, but I'm guessing you went with one who also at least has a little going for them.
I still don't see it, but that's just me.

As far as likelihood goes, neither are particularly unlikely. I guess the top one is likelier because if only because of Chibi-Robo (Shulk and Pac-Man are both pretty conventional choices), but they're both fairly likely considering there aren't very many major deviations between the two.

 

[UltimateWario]

If any series has plenty of potential for ATs, it's Metroid.

 

[BluePikmin11]

While I'm here, here are my two pre-Direct prediction rosters. One is the more conservative 50 Character scenario, while the other is the more liberal 50 Slot scenario.

50 Character Roster:

And the 50 Slot Roster:

Thoughts? What do you like/dislike? Which is more likely? Which do you enjoy more?

I feel that you should remove Chibi for someone else. Can't really say anything after that.

 

[FlareHabanero]

If any series has plenty of potential for ATs, it's Metroid.

Only acceptable one is Space Pirates, using the power of TUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUBES.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Only acceptable one is Space Pirates, using the power of TUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUBES.

TUBES?! What's that supposed to mean?

 

[Will]

If any series has plenty of potential for ATs, it's Metroid.

You said it. Although,it wouldn't hurt to see some DK ATs once in a while. It's been long since Squitter shot his webs