Character Discussion Thread

[Swamp Sensei]

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Low S Tier/High A Tier yeah.

Regardless, he's up there.

 

[DustyPumpkin]

Still a better idea than Screwattack's Amiibo ****fight where the loser would have to burn their Amiibo to death. No seriously, something like that exists.

Wh-wh-wh-whaaaaaaaaaaa

 

[Schnee117]

Still a better idea than Screwattack's Amiibo ****fight where the loser would have to burn their Amiibo to death. No seriously, something like that exists.

ScrewAttack love watching the world burn.
If it isn't the massive salt from DeathBattle (Speaking of which... Brace yourselves for next Saturday) or One Minute Melee it's something else.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Wh-wh-wh-whaaaaaaaaaaa

Yes, that's actually a thing. Waste of money? More like a waste of salt and tears in a pointless Smash competition.

 

[StormC]

ScrewAttack love watching the world burn.
If it isn't the massive salt from DeathBattle (Speaking of which... Brace yourselves for next Saturday) or One Minute Melee it's something else.

They're just gonna let Goku win the rematch so all the fans are happy.

And then none of them will be.

Spoiler

goku wins unless it's composite/silver age/prime superman

 

[Cutie Gwen]

They're just gonna let Goku win the rematch so all the fans are happy.

And then none of them will be.

Spoiler

goku wins unless it's composite/silver age/prime superman

If Goku wins, people will whine how it was only done to please the Goku fans and rant on Tvtropes Wallbangers. If Superman wins, Goku fans will whine about a rematch being unnecessary

 

[StormC]

You just can't really compare the characters to begin with. One has had hundreds of writers between comics and other media that never stops, and one has had a primary writer for the manga that has a beginning, middle, and end with secondary writers for the anime.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

You just can't really compare the characters to begin with. One has had hundreds of writers between comics and other media that never stops, and one has had a primary writer for the manga that has a beginning, middle, and end with secondary writers for the anime.

Not to mention their fights are usually "Oh noes, defeated! Haha, I won the next fight!"

 

[StormC]

Not to mention their fights are usually "Oh noes, defeated! Haha, I won the next fight!"

Which is why I'd give the edge to Goku since he's better at fighting stronger opponents than Superman is.

Y'know, the fact that there hasn't been an official crossover between Superman and Goku is kinda surprising to me.

 

[Roaring Salsa]

Yes, that's actually a thing. Waste of money? More like a waste of salt and tears in a pointless Smash competition.

I'm expecting a bunch of Mario and Peach amiibos in that tournament if that's the case.

 

[StormC]

Anyway, to come back to a previously discussed topic: I don't think characters who have been in more than one game are at risk for being cut in Smash, barring it being literally impossible, like... you know who.

 

[Rockaphin]

Phoenix Wright is also a problem, like what are we going to get a re-run of MvC3 with him or what?

Those sneezes are deadly lol. But yeah, I hated him in that game. For someone who is unfamiliar to his character, it looks like he struggles from schizophrenia.

And you're missing my point. That is, there is none. I never wanted to argue how anything, I just expressed my want for a Resident Evil character.

My third party character is better than yours.

Seriously though, that's basically what happens with 3rd party "discussions." Well, at least what I've mostly seen.

 

[StormC]

Seriously though, that's basically what happens with 3rd party "discussions." Well, at least what I've mostly seen.

Pretty much. Just about any third party we get at this point is a step down from the Fab Five in notability.

 

[GaroMaster]

Pretty much. Just about any third party we get at this point is a step down from the Fab Five in notability.

Then again, are there really any other characters left that have Nintendo history AND are as big of icons as those five?
It was going to happen anyway. That's why we're looking at characters who may not be as famous as those five, but are famous enough on their own to warrant an inclusion.

 

[StormC]

Then again, are there really any other characters left that have Nintendo history AND are as big of icons as those five?
It was going to happen anyway. That's why we're looking at characters who may not be as famous as those five, but are famous enough on their own to warrant an inclusion.

I agree in a general sense, but I don't think that necessarily means we need to force in third parties for the sake of having them.

Don't worry, I'm in favor of Rayman. He's a character with significant history and a connection to Nintendo. It'd also be great to have another western character join the battle. But after Rayman, I have a hard time thinking of a character that can reach that sort of status, or close to it. Even Bomberman is generally a niche franchise with lots of little games (though I wouldn't be opposed to Bomberman either).

 

[GaroMaster]

I agree in a general sense, but I don't think that necessarily means we need to force in third parties for the sake of having them.

Don't worry, I'm in favor of Rayman. He's a character with significant history and a connection to Nintendo. It'd also be great to have another western character join the battle. But after Rayman, I have a hard time thinking of a character that can reach that sort of status, or close to it. Even Bomberman is generally a niche franchise with lots of little games (though I wouldn't be opposed to Bomberman either).

Yeah, I definitely don't want them to add third parties just for the sake for it.
Personally, I feel as though Rayman and Snake should be the last third parties added to not just Smash 4, but for the whole Smash series. One of them is a highly requested veteran while the other is a platforming icon, with his series selling over 25 million copies.
However, if they added one more after those two (for 8-Player Smash), it should be Simon Belmont. I would love a fighter that primarily uses the whip.
But in terms of Smash 4, I hope Rayman makes the cut, as well as Snake.

 

[Kenith]

Those sneezes are deadly lol. But yeah, I hated him in that game. For someone who is unfamiliar to his character, it looks like he struggles from schizophrenia.

As someone vaguely familiar with Ace Attorney, Phoenix Wright in UMvC3 is a pretty accurate representation of how Phoenix acts when someone is bad at Ace Attorney.

 

[StormC]

Yeah, I dunno. Phoenix Wright was one of my requests for Marvel 3, but the way he was portrayed was just... underwhelming.

Yeah, I definitely don't want them to add third parties just for the sake for it.
Personally, I feel as though Rayman and Snake should be the last third parties added to not just Smash 4, but for the whole Smash series. One of them is a highly requested veteran while the other is a platforming icon, with his series selling over 25 million copies.
However, if they added one more after those two (for 8-Player Smash), it should be Simon Belmont. I would love a fighter that primarily uses the whip.
But in terms of Smash 4, I hope Rayman makes the cut, as well as Snake.

I think you could fudge like... Cloud Strife. I mean, I'd personally rather have him than someone like Black Mage, who is just a glorified drone. To me, if you're gonna represent a third party franchise, they should be represented by an iconic and beloved video game character, not a "rep." The character should be the big deal.

(Also Link vs. Cloud would be hype.)

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Snake's reveal in Brawl had the reaction of "Snake is in Smash Bros.!" not "Metal Gear is going to be represented in Smash Bros.!"

 

[GaroMaster]

Yeah, I dunno. Phoenix Wright was one of my requests for Marvel 3, but the way he was portrayed was just... underwhelming.



I think you could fudge like... Cloud Strife. I mean, I'd personally rather have him than someone like Black Mage, who is just a glorified drone. To me, if you're gonna represent a third party franchise, they should be represented by an iconic and beloved video game character, not a "rep." The character should be the big deal.

(Also Link vs. Cloud would be hype.)

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Snake's reveal in Brawl had the reaction of "Snake is in Smash Bros.!" not "Metal Gear is going to be represented in Smash Bros.!"

I still rewatch the Snake trailer to this day.
Nine years later, and it still gives me goosebumps.

 

[Ura]

Snake, Rayman, Bomberman, Simon Belmont, and Heihachi are all deserving of being third party characters in the game. I think Smash 5 should have all 5 of those characters plus the current 4 we have in Smash 4.

 

[Pakky]

And you're missing my point. That is, there is none. I never wanted to argue how anything, I just expressed my want for a Resident Evil character.

My mistake, I apologize.

 

[Roaring Salsa]

Snake, Rayman, Bomberman, Simon Belmont, and Heihachi are all deserving of being third party characters in the game. I think Smash 5 should have all 5 of those characters plus the current 4 we have in Smash 4.

Obligatory Heihachi Final Smash:

 

[kylexv]

Yes, that's actually a thing. Waste of money? More like a waste of salt and tears in a pointless Smash competition.

Anywhere I can find a list of rules?

 

[N3ON]

lol "fab five"

three months ago you would've gotten scoffed at for wanting Ryu and slapped for saying he'd be included.

OH HOW THE TIMES CHANGE~

 

[aldelaro5]

lol "fab five"

three months ago you would've gotten scoffed at for wanting Ryu and slapped for saying he'd be included.

OH HOW THE TIMES CHANGE~

......I wasn't slapped

Though tbh, I did got slapped for supporting Paper Mario sometime

 

[Pakky]

lol "fab five"

three months ago you would've gotten scoffed at for wanting Ryu and slapped for saying he'd be included.

OH HOW THE TIMES CHANGE~

"Ryu is too realistic"

"I don't want this to be a capcom game lol"

"Who's next, we gonna have Capcom v Nintendo lol"

The Smash community...

......I wasn't slapped

Though tbh, I did got slapped for supporting Paper Mario sometime

*pats back* its okay, my face gets slapped all the time :D

 

[EmceeEspio]

lol "fab five"

three months ago you would've gotten scoffed at for wanting Ryu and slapped for saying he'd be included.

OH HOW THE TIMES CHANGE~

Yup. Future Alternate Timeline Me said the exact same thing about Cloud Strife.

Then again he showed up buzzed with some of my current best friends aged up in a Delorean so what does he know.

 

[StormC]

lol "fab five"

three months ago you would've gotten scoffed at for wanting Ryu and slapped for saying he'd be included.

OH HOW THE TIMES CHANGE~

Same with Snake and Brawl, really.

So if you're an unexpected third party character and want to be in Smash, wear a bandana.

 

[Pakky]

I love how smash has become all the lies that one friend told you about in grade school, it's so great.

 

[Calane]

So...Rayman is considered bigger than Bomberman? The character that had games on every Nintendo platform besides 3DS and Wii U, and even had a game on Virtual Boy (Though, to be fair, Bomberman 3DS was going to be a thing), has existed longer than the Zelda series, had his own anime (multiple anime shows, I believe), was the mascot of Hudson Soft (who actually made games for Nintendo, such as Mario Party), and has starred in more games than a bunch of characters already in Smash 4? Maybe I'm not getting something, but how is Rayman the biggest 3rd party character not in Smash? I mean no disrespect to Rayman, I'm just a little confused. I feel that Bomberman is a little underappreciated in general, so this doesn't surprise me that much.

 

[Kenith]

Same with Snake and Brawl, really.

So if you're an unexpected third party character and want to be in Smash, wear a bandana.

I guess we know who our Ubisoft rep will be.

 

[StormC]

So...Rayman is considered bigger than Bomberman? The character that had games on every Nintendo platform besides 3DS and Wii U, and even had a game on Virtual Boy (Though, to be fair, Bomberman 3DS was going to be a thing), has existed longer than the Zelda series, had his own anime (multiple anime shows, I believe), was the mascot of Hudson Soft (who actually made games for Nintendo, such as Mario Party), and has starred in more games than a bunch of characters already in Smash 4? Maybe I'm not getting something, but how is Rayman the biggest 3rd party character not in Smash? I mean no disrespect to Rayman, I'm just a little confused. I feel that Bomberman is a little underappreciated in general, so this doesn't surprise me that much.

Rayman has sold more.

More critical success too, most Bomberman games get average marks. So basically quality vs. quantity.

I guess we know who our Ubisoft rep will be.

NO

 

[Ura]

Both characters deserve a spot in the next Smash Bros game IMO.

 

[Calane]

Rayman has sold more.

More critical success too, most Bomberman games get average marks. So basically quality vs. quantity.

So characters get in Smash based on the review ratings their games get? I didn't know that. I thought Smash Bros. was a celebration of Nintendo history, not a celebration of good review scores. Bomberman is part of Nintendo history, and is a classic character who's been with Nintendo for a very long time. I think he deserves the spot more than any other 3rd party character.

 

[StormC]

So characters get in Smash based on the review ratings their games get? I didn't know that. I thought Smash Bros. was a celebration of Nintendo history, not a celebration of good review scores. Bomberman is part of Nintendo history, and is a classic character who's been with Nintendo for a very long time. I think he deserves the spot more than any other 3rd party character.

Third parties getting in due to their merits in Nintendo's history is way past us. Hell, it never even started with that.

Sakurai said when adding Mega Man to Smash 4 that "I'm not going to add just any third party character, but Mega Man is definitely in a class of his own." You can interpret from that what you want, but we've already seen that Rayman is on Sakurai's radar with the trophy in Smash. It's a series that has enjoyed strong success both with fans and critics. Bomberman is much more niche in comparison, despite having tons of games, it's never made a big splash in the industry.

I think the only real advantage Bomberman has is more history and a Japanese fanbase. I'm speaking as someone who likes Bomberman more than Rayman.

 

[Calane]

Third parties getting in due to their merits in Nintendo's history is way past us. Hell, it never even started with that.

Sakurai said when adding Mega Man to Smash 4 that "I'm not going to add just any third party-character, but Mega Man is definitely in a class of his own." You can interpret from that what you want, but we've already seen that Rayman is on Sakurai's radar with the trophy in Smash. It's a series that has enjoyed strong success both with fans and critics. Bomberman is much more niche in comparison, despite having tons of games, it's never made a big splash in the industry.

I think the only real advantage Bomberman has is more history and a Japanese fanbase. I'm speaking as someone who likes Bomberman more than Rayman.

I see. So 3rd party characters usually get in due to how popular they are and not really how much they are relevant to Nintendo. I find this sort of strange, but if that's how Sakurai does things, then oh well. Bomberman was a huge part of my childhood, so I guess he seems bigger in my eyes than most others. I wouldn't mind Rayman, I just prefer Bomberman.

 

[SegaNintendoUbisoft]

Same with Snake and Brawl, really.

So if you're an unexpected third party character and want to be in Smash, wear a bandana.

Rayman confirmed.

 

[StormC]

I see. So 3rd party characters usually get in due to how popular they are and not really how much they are relevant to Nintendo.

I'd say popularity + legacy. Having a relationship with Nintendo doesn't hurt, but I don't think it's the end all be all.

All of Rayman's platforming games have been released on Nintendo systems so it isn't like he's completely disconnected. ()

 

[LancerStaff]

lol "fab five"

three months ago you would've gotten scoffed at for wanting Ryu and slapped for saying he'd be included.

OH HOW THE TIMES CHANGE~

Probably because Ryu wasn't that good a choice. I mean, he's definitely the most famous third party character Sakurai could of picked, but he's not all that popular with Nintendo fans and his gimmick isn't as big a deal as Megaman or Shulk's.

But then again we're down to the bottom of the barrel to begin with. All the "popular" characters have crap moveset potential, and all the characters with moveset potential aren't popular enough to be made DLC. Only reason Sakurai has stuck to veterans so far is because people recognize them from previous games. Roy and Lucas most certainly wouldn't of gotten in as DLC if they hadn't been in Smash previously.

 

[StormC]

\All the "popular" characters have crap moveset potential

Er, what? Just who exactly are you talking about?