Character Discussion Thread

[Roaring Salsa]

Doing a rundown of my favourite characters in each series in Smash.

Tell me yours if you want~ :3

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Wario
Shy Guy
Dribble and Spitz
K. Rool
Toon Link
Snover
Captain Falcon
Wolf O'Donnell
Simirror
Aran Ryan
Tiki
Porky
Olimar
Pit
Ridley
Shulk
Mabel
Dr Eggman
Roll
Spooky
Sakura
Monita

This seems fun.

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Bowser
Wario
King K. Rool
Groose
Hawlucha
Captain Falcon
Falco
Kirby
Soda Popinski
Tiki
The Camera Man
Olimar
Viridi
Ridley
Riki
Isabelle
Knuckles
Roll
Clyde
Dan
Monita

 

[Pakky]

I like the karate man guy from Rhythm Heaven...

Doing a rundown of my favourite characters in each series in Smash.

Tell me yours if you want~ :3

Spoiler

Wario
Shy Guy
Dribble and Spitz
K. Rool
Toon Link
Snover
Captain Falcon
Wolf O'Donnell
Simirror
Aran Ryan
Tiki
Porky
Olimar
Pit
Ridley
Shulk
Mabel
Dr Eggman
Roll
Spooky
Sakura
Monita

Okay :3

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Wario
Yoshi
Captain Syrup
K. Rool
Midna
Slowbro
Samurai Goro
Wolf O'Donnell
Dedede
King Hippo
Tharja
Kumatora
Olimar
Hades
Ridley
Shulk
Redd
Dr Eggman
Metal Man
Pac-man
Chun Li
Myself

 

[Dastardly Ridleylash]

Why do you say that? We got three characters in one day. This is a stupid argument. Just because games aren't coming out for many franchises in the near future suddenly means they won't add any of them? If the ballot support is enough they'll make them, its simple. If they'll make money, they'll make them.

That's part of the reason I think Ridley still has a chance of being DLC; he'll make money. Maybe not boatloads of cash on the levels of the IC's, but definitely a lot more than, say, Bayonetta or Krystal (as adamant as those fans are about this, they would draw a lot of "WTF who are these and why are they in Smash?" comments).

 

[Burruni]

Oh, well, I was thinking maybe it came off as me complaining about the roster.
Very subconscious about coming as whiny in fears someone will up and insult me...
Resume!
In other news, do you have a moment to talk about our Twilight Princess and Savior, Midna?

I'm sorry. I'm a Ganonite.

 

[JaidynReiman]

That's part of the reason I think Ridley still has a chance of being DLC; he'll make money. Maybe not boatloads of cash on the levels of the IC's, but definitely a lot more than, say, Bayonetta or Krystal (as adamant as those fans are about this, they would draw a lot of "WTF who are these and why are they in Smash?" comments).

I think in the case of Ridley, they just don't know how they could make him, and would rather not. So I still can't really see Ridley happening.

 

[Kenith]

I don't see Ridley happening.
Meta Ridley, on the other hand...

 

[Burruni]

I don't see Ridley happening.
Meta Ridley, on the other hand...

I swear to god.
If that happens.
I am just not going to touch this site until Smash 5.

Sakurai will have ascended to becoming an immortal for god-tier trolling with hype.

 

[Aetheri]

Doing a rundown of my favourite characters in each series in Smash.

Tell me yours if you want~ :3

Spoiler

Wario
Shy Guy
Dribble and Spitz
K. Rool
Toon Link
Snover
Captain Falcon
Wolf O'Donnell
Simirror
Aran Ryan
Tiki
Porky
Olimar
Pit
Ridley
Shulk
Mabel
Dr Eggman
Roll
Spooky
Sakura
Monita

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-Does count? If not then
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-Ashley
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-or (I like wolves and falcons so yeah...)
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-Does count?
-(only because of Smash)
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-Medusa
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-Mr. Resetti
-mph aka Tails
-X
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-bewteen...Chun Li, Cammy, or Blanka
-Mr. Bean or Spock \\//,

 

[A Distant Demon]

Ganonite.

My first thought was ganon mega evilving pokemon style.

I had no idea how much i needed to see ganon bigger and badder.

Unless we count HW ganon which is pretty cool by itself.

And with how pokemon are shown in smash it would probably be his final smash

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

My first thought was ganon mega evilving pokemon style.

I had no idea how much i needed to see ganon bigger and badder.

Unless we count HW ganon which is pretty cool by itself.

And with how pokemon are shown in smash it would probably be his final smash

DANG IT! I WAS GONNA POST SOMETHING LIKE THIS! Guess I'm too slow.

 

[Burruni]

My first thought was ganon mega evilving pokemon style.

I had no idea how much i needed to see ganon bigger and badder.

Unless we count HW ganon which is pretty cool by itself.

And with how pokemon are shown in smash it would probably be his final smash

DANG IT! I WAS GONNA POST SOMETHING LIKE THIS! Guess I'm too slow.

Well then.

If that's what you people wanna see.

You better get to voting for him, now shouldn't you?

*Evil Cackle*

 

[Duzzzyy]

Didn't they say they failed in making a fun or interesting moveset for their Ridley "prototype" a while back, and scrapped the idea of including him into Sm4sh, or am I eating rumors?

 

[Burruni]

Didn't they say they failed in making a fun or interesting moveset for their Ridley "prototype" a while back, and scrapped the idea of including him into Sm4sh, or am I eating rumors?

Eating rumors.

The closest thing is what Sakurai said in an interview like a year after Brawl, after being asked about Ridley being a fighter.

"I think that would probably be impossible. (laughs) If we had put our best efforts into it, we may have been able to do it. But he might have been a little slow. Would that be alright? (laughs again)"

 

[Duzzzyy]

Eating rumors.

The closest thing is what Sakurai said in an interview like a year after Brawl, after being asked about Ridley being a fighter.

"I think that would probably be impossible. (laughs) If we had put our best efforts into it, we may have been able to do it. But he might have been a little slow. Would that be alright? (laughs again)"

My bad then, thanks for letting me know about it.

 

[Burruni]

My bad then, thanks for letting me know about it.

For better or worse, depending on your opinion of the character, Sakurai is firmly rooted on the belief that Ridley functions far better as boss for how he as a character exists in Smash based upon his roles in Metroid. We have proof that he felt like this shortly after Brawl where Ridley was planned to not only be 2 boss fights but also an Assist Trophy, and his interview shortly after the WiiU release of Smash 4 basically says his stance has not changed.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Eating rumors.

The closest thing is what Sakurai said in an interview like a year after Brawl, after being asked about Ridley being a fighter.

"I think that would probably be impossible. (laughs) If we had put our best efforts into it, we may have been able to do it. But he might have been a little slow. Would that be alright? (laughs again)"

He said it was impossible, but it was possible. Because outright saying a heavily requested character is a bad move.

 

[Dastardly Ridleylash]

What I get out of it is that he's thinking it's possible, but he's worried about ensuring it's representative of the character while being balanced at the same time.

Because a fast, hard-hitting and mobile heavyweight would pretty much SCREAM "I'M THE NEW PRE-NERF DIDDY!", and Ridley is a fast, hard hitting mobile character.

 

[Burruni]

What I get out of it is that he's thinking it's possible, but he's worried about ensuring it's representative of the character while being balanced at the same time.

Because a fast, hard-hitting and mobile heavyweight would pretty much SCREAM "I'M THE NEW PRE-NERF DIDDY!", and Ridley is a fast, hard hitting mobile character.

Back then, he said it'd probably be impossible, but.

And that definitely means the idea is one that was possible.

However, the nail in his coffin is in the very first sentence of Sakurai's point for him as said within a year ago.

“I definitely know that Ridley’s a much-anticipated name for fans, but if we made Ridley as a fighter, it wouldn’t be Ridley any longer."

Then again, I'm a detractor for Ridley, a cynic, yada yada yada.

 

[Dastardly Ridleylash]

Back then, he said it'd probably be impossible, but.

And that definitely means the idea is one that was possible.

However, the nail in his coffin is in the very first sentence of Sakurai's point for him as said within a year ago.

“I definitely know that Ridley’s a much-anticipated name for fans, but if we made Ridley as a fighter, it wouldn’t be Ridley any longer."

Then again, I'm a detractor for Ridley, a cynic, yada yada yada.

That likely just means he's constantly changing his opinion on the matter. Yeah, he may think it's impossible a year ago, but maybe he's back to thinking it might just be possible. Hell, maybe he's trying to make it happen right now, but we simply don't know the answer at this point. People said we'd never get DLC, we got Mewtwo. People said we'd only get Mewtwo, we got Lucas, Roy and Ryu. People could say that one of the pre-ballot fighters were the Ice Climbers and you know people would believe it. The truth is we don't know. And until the fat lady sings and they announce that there's no more DLC for Smash and Ridley isn't in that lineup, we won't ever know unless he is confirmed or not.

It's fine to be cynical, but honestly Sakurai is so wish-washy on Ridley that it's hard to take anything he says on the character at face value.

 

[Burruni]

That likely just means he's constantly changing his opinion on the matter. Yeah, he may think it's impossible a year ago, but maybe he's back to thinking it might just be possible. Hell, maybe he's trying to make it happen right now, but we simply don't know the answer at this point. People said we'd never get DLC, we got Mewtwo. People said we'd only get Mewtwo, we got Lucas, Roy and Ryu. People could say that one of the pre-ballot fighters were the Ice Climbers and you know people would believe it. The truth is we don't know. And until the fat lady sings and they announce that there's no more DLC for Smash and Ridley isn't in that lineup, we won't ever know unless he is confirmed or not.

It's fine to be cynical, but honestly Sakurai is so wish-washy on Ridley that it's hard to take anything he says on the character at face value.

Explain to me how it's Wishy-Washy, though.

Post-Brawl Sakurai said that Ridley would be probably impossible as a fighter.

Right after Smash 4, he says that Ridley is impossible to properly be done as a fighter.

That's differently worded versions of the same base opinion by my interpretation.

 

[Bowserlick]

Can;t wait to get Scorpion from Mortal Kombat.

His Final Smash has to be a (non-gory) fatality. Maybe a vertical blast splash line can occur in the victim's place as they disappear and lose a stock.

 

[Burruni]

Can;t wait to get Scorpion from Mortal Kombat.

His Final Smash has to be a (non-gory) fatality. Maybe a vertical blast splash line can occur in the victim's place as they disappear and lose a stock.

And what evidence do you have that he's been even CONSIDERED...?

 

[Dastardly Ridleylash]

Explain to me how it's Wishy-Washy, though.

Post-Brawl Sakurai said that Ridley would be probably impossible as a fighter.

Right after Smash 4, he says that Ridley is impossible to properly be done as a fighter.

That's differently worded versions of the same base opinion by my interpretation.

Not really; "probably" is not a certain term. And he's changed his opinion on characters over time, so there's no reason to think that he won't eventually reevaluate his opinion on Ridley once stuff like the Revolution get books out to Nintendo in both English (for NoA) and Japanese (for NoJ). Sakurai's shown himself as a man who can change his mind from outside sources; American players really wanted Little Mac, they got Little Mac. American players who bought the game anyways, but are going out of their way to make a full-on campaign and published book to get his attention on how much people want Ridley are going to be very notable for Sakurai, especially because of the published book part.

 

[Burruni]

Not really; "probably" is not a certain term. And he's changed his opinion on characters over time, so there's no reason to think that he won't eventually reevaluate his opinion on Ridley once stuff like the Revolution get books out to Nintendo in both English (for NoA) and Japanese (for NoJ). Sakurai's shown himself as a man who can change his mind from outside sources; American players really wanted Little Mac, they got Little Mac. American players who bought the game anyways, but are going out of their way to make a full-on campaign and published book to get his attention on how much people want Ridley are going to be very notable for Sakurai, especially because of the published book part.

1) "Probably" isn't a certain term. But then... he went from "probably impossible." to "Impossible." which is reaffirmation, not being Wishy-Washy.

2) And... he knew... that Ridley was highly requested, if not the single most requested, and still kept him as a boss because he felt that he as a fighter was impossible while keeping him as Ridley.

I, personally, don't see how rubbing that popularity more aggressively around the internet is going to make him change that "moral" standpoint on the character. But more power to the fans. Even... if the only time that kind of thing has had any impact on Nintendo was Operation Rainfall, and even then Nintendo tried to deny it had any impact on the decision of localization.

 

[Pakky]

If the ballot shows favor, demand may pressure him to put Ridley in. Because here thankful its not a matter of can't but won't.

 

[Bowserlick]

And what evidence do you have that he's been even CONSIDERED...?

I have no evidence, I just can't wait. Obviously, I have to wait.

Maybe even forever.

 

[Burruni]

I have no evidence, I just can't wait. Obviously, I have to wait.

Maybe even forever.

Your phrasing sounded like you found something out that NONE of us did about his odds.

 

[StormC]

Can we just have an honest dialogue and admit that characters with active roles in the game already have a huge roadblock in their way instead of ignoring that because we want our favorite characters to get in the game? People act like being an Assist Trophy or boss or whatever is no big deal and Sakurai will just flip the tables if these characters get a handful of votes. It's not impossible but it's certainly not a negligible barrier for the character's entry into the game, especially ones that Sakurai has already vetoed (Chrom, Ridley, Takamaru).

It's okay to still want the characters and campaign for them, but let's not pretend these characters have the same chance as ones not already in the game actively.

 

[Kenith]

Nobody I know is acting like that. Seems like the opposite actually.
It would be funny though, if Sakurai nonchalantly adds Takamaru or something and it turns out him being an Assist Trophy was never a problem.

 

[Burruni]

Nobody I know is acting like that. Seems like the opposite actually.
It would be funny though, if Sakurai nonchalantly adds Takamaru or something and it turns out him being an Assassit Trophy was never a problem.

Still think he's uber likely for Smash 5. The argument of "He isn't known in the west," kinda gets ruled out when you've made an appearance in Smash Bros.

 

[StormC]

Yeah, I expect Takamaru to show up as the unlockable retro rep in 5mash.

 

[Ura]

A character with a pre=determined role becoming playable would defiantly be really something. It would change the established rule of characters with a role in the game not being able to be made DLC.

 

[Burruni]

Takamaru, Isabelle, Waluigi.

All 3 I can see making the jump.

 

[Pakky]

For those of you who know about the new killer instinct know that sometimes a combo can match the beat of the stage music. Do you all think something like that could be applied to a Rhythm Heaven rep?

 

[Ura]

Waluigi

If only Sakurai didn't give him the Middle finger when he deconfirmed him, he might have stood a chance.

As much as i'd love to see him in the game, Sakurai just doesn't want to put him in the game because he thinks he's not a big enough character. Kinda funny because I don't remember being relevant in main series Mario titles.

 

[StormC]

A character with a pre=determined role becoming playable would defiantly be really something. It would change the established rule of characters with a role in the game not being able to be made DLC.

I could see it happening if there was a character with unanimous support, like Sonic in Brawl. Otherwise... eh.

 

[Burruni]

If only Sakurai didn't give him the Middle finger when he deconfirmed him, he might have stood a chance.

As much as i'd love to see him in the game, Sakurai just doesn't want to put him in the game because he thinks he's not a big enough character. Kinda funny because I don't remember being relevant in main series Mario titles.

He's getting bigger support with each game and I legitimately think Nintendo's gonna end up doing something more substantial with Waluigi. Helps that he's basically top 3 for Mario newcomers with Captain Toad and Paper Mario.

Also helps that I don't think Sakurai will be the one leading Smash 5 when it comes.

Then again I'm a biased one for Waluigi.

 

[Pakky]

He's getting bigger support with each game and I legitimately think Nintendo's gonna end up doing something more substantial with Waluigi.

I've always imagined him in a shooter but then Splatoon came out. Is there another genre of game that would lend itself to his "personality"? Well other than sports games.

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

I don't see Ridley happening.
Meta Ridley, on the other hand...

Would add insult to injury

 

[Chandeelure]

Hey @TehEpicRyuga and @GoldenYuiitusin , remember the conversation we had the other day?

Well: http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/06/17/e3-2015-what-metroid-primes-producer-wants-in-the-next-sequel

That ship was Sylux's ship, you were right TehEpicRyuga XD