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Street Fighter II on SNES was a big deal, one of the system sellers; as well helped to grow the popularity of the series at the time, and the groundwork we have today is thanks to the system itself;
Ryu has bigger ties with Nintendo than the other guests until now (just behind Mega Man)
 
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You know what's disgusting?

Hating any third parties because they aren't Nintendo or cartoony. Acting like a company has to ride Nintendo's metaphorical **** 100% of the time to be worthwhile.

Grow up. Comments like this are why people look down on Nintendo fans.
Eeep, I hope this wasn't targeted at me also, I have a reason for not wanting him, but I have no issue with Ryu himself. He pretty dank

Edit: Oh cool, we're actually still talking about him. Well, I think Ryu does have what it takes to get in. It's just the fact that he'd be another Capcom character that bothers me. I would vastly prefer third parties from other companies, that ALSO meet the qualifications (not that I have any freaking clue what they are :p)
 
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I am fine with Ryu. Sure, he's not exactly exciting moveset-wise and I would prefer other characters appearing, but I don't have a problem with him actually appearing in Smash.
 

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That and it was originally a video game and not an anime also it was competing with Tamogachi instead of Pokemon
You're half right.

Bandai made Tamagatchi AND Digimon.
Digimon was actually a sub-series of Tamagatchi made specifically to market Virtual Pets to boys instead of girls. When it became popular enough, it expanded out into the show and games that it is far more known for.

It coming out as a show and main games around the time of Pokemon was an unhappy coincidence for Digimon because while many will agree it had a stronger show and "cooler" world set up, it as a game couldn't really find a good formula for itself arguably until late PS1 with Digimon World 3. At this point Pokemon Gens I & II took off in popularity due to having a strong core basis and being easily accessed as a handheld game.
 
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Here is my updated Dream3.0. Removed Marshal & Takamaru to make space for Ryu & Roy. Tried rearanging but then it looked like an upside down pyramid type thing.

Also, replaced Slime/DQ Hero with Lara Croft. I feel Square doesn't want me to support DQ characters since they don't give me DQ .

On the topic.......#Lara4Smash!!!!

 

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Here is my updated Dream3.0. Removed Marshal & Takamaru to make space for Ryu & Roy. Tried rearanging but then it looked like an upside down pyramid type thing.

Also, replaced Slime/DQ Hero with Lara Croft. I feel Square doesn't want me to support DQ characters since they don't give me DQ .

On the topic.......#Lara4Smash!!!!
Not talking about various bits because of the "Dream' matter of the roster.... has Lara Croft even been on a nintendo console? I know she at least started as one of Sony's big games on the PS1 and the reboot was Sony exclusive iirc.
 

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Not talking about various bits because of the "Dream' matter of the roster.... has Lara Croft even been on a nintendo console? I know she at least started as one of Sony's big games on the PS1 and the reboot was Sony exclusive iirc.
I admit.

Her not being as relevant as say, Megaman or Snake on Nintendo consoles is the only against-Lara argument I see and approve of.

:(

Also, you can talk about the various bits. I don't mind.
 
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I admit.

Her not being as relevant as say, Megaman or Snake on Nintendo consoles is the only against-Lara argument I see and approve of.

:(

Also, you can talk about the various bits. I don't mind.
A) I'm not even talking about being "as" relevant on Nintendo consoles, I'm asking if she has ever been on one because I don't know of a case.

B) I find it weird that you chose Matthew over his father, who is more predominant and important in the series overall and even made a major role in Dark Dawn.

C) Those 6 Kid Icarus fighters. xD It's... just a little daunting. Swapping either Viridi or Hades for Marshal or Takamaru returning would help pad that impact, I suppose.

Really that's my main points over it.
 

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Not talking about various bits because of the "Dream' matter of the roster.... has Lara Croft even been on a nintendo console? I know she at least started as one of Sony's big games on the PS1 and the reboot was Sony exclusive iirc.
Lara has been on several Nintendo consoles.
 

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A) I'm not even talking about being "as" relevant on Nintendo consoles, I'm asking if she has ever been on one because I don't know of a case.

B) I find it weird that you chose Matthew over his father, who is more predominant and important in the series overall and even made a major role in Dark Dawn.

C) Those 6 Kid Icarus fighters. xD It's... just a little daunting. Swapping either Viridi or Hades for Marshal or Takamaru returning would help pad that impact, I suppose.

Really that's my main points over it.
oh yea should have made it clearer for those who haven't see dream1/2. I just chose that Mathew since I think it's the better looking icon. I'd like Isaac, Mathew and Felix(?) to be one character with costumes like Alph/Olimar thing.

There's been Tomb Raider games on Wii, DS, N64 and probably Gamecube too.


I'm very biased when it comes to 3rd parties and KI XD. : D I feel like Medusa, Viridi and Hades would be unique characters and I didn't want to cut anyone from sm4sh so I kept Pittoo.

Whenever I make a prediction roster for next game, you wouldn't see more than 1 KI newcomer. :p
 
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It coming out as a show and main games around the time of Pokemon was an unhappy coincidence for Digimon because while many will agree it had a stronger show and "cooler" world set up, it as a game couldn't really find a good formula for itself arguably until late PS1 with Digimon World 3. At this point Pokemon Gens I & II took off in popularity due to having a strong core basis and being easily accessed as a handheld game.
And now it's thought to be a rip-off of Pokémon by pretty much everyone who saw Pokémon first. :facepalm:
Thank you, Swampy!
I've just always thought of her as Sony's girl.
So she's :snake: MK 2.

But hopefully without a bodysuit like his.
Wasn't Tomb Raider a PC exclusive series in it's early years?

You know what else came around the time of Pokémon and Digimon? Zanzarah: The Hidden Portal. :3 (I should probably stop praising games nobody cares about.)
 

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A mix of realistic and a bit of a dream ones too. I like Sakurai's vision of choosing newcomers, I highly prefer that way, even on a dream roster.
I believe the 3 biggest icons will always remain a large priority in every installment. Almost all of the cuts that happened with Smash 4 I still believe should remain for time constraint purposes aside from Mewtwo and should definitely be saved for DLC later. Dark Pit and Lucina are new cuts. Probably won't change until the remaining years for a new SSB rolls by, so many things change that can change likelihood for some characters. (notably just franchises with consistently changing protagonists)
 
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A mix of realistic and a bit of a dream ones too. I like Sakurai's vision of choosing newcomers, I highly prefer that way, even on a dream roster.
I believe the 3 biggest icons will always remain a large priority in every installment. Almost all of the cuts that happened with Smash 4 I still believe should remain for time constraint purposes aside from Mewtwo and should definitely be saved for DLC later. Dark Pit and Lucina are new cuts. Probably won't change until the remaining years for a new SSB rolls by, so many things change that can change likelihood for some characters. (notably just franchises with consistently changing protagonists)
I don't understand why you want Jumpman so much. I mean, there is nothing to separate him from Mario, unlike Dr. Mario, who at least has different clothes.

EDIT: Also, why the lack of popular newcomers in your roster if it's supposed to be partially realistic? I mean, you only have Dixie, Inkling and (maybe) Takamaru. Most of SSB4 newcomers were actually much requested characters (except clones, WFT, Villager (due to Sakurai's comment about him) and maybe Rosalina).
 
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A mix of realistic and a bit of a dream ones too. I like Sakurai's vision of choosing newcomers, I highly prefer that way, even on a dream roster.
I believe the 3 biggest icons will always remain a large priority in every installment. Almost all of the cuts that happened with Smash 4 I still believe should remain for time constraint purposes aside from Mewtwo and should definitely be saved for DLC later. Dark Pit and Lucina are new cuts. Probably won't change until the remaining years for a new SSB rolls by, so many things change that can change likelihood for some characters. (notably just franchises with consistently changing protagonists)
Interesting......er.......1st party choices. Haha....
 
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If you're hell-bent on having Jumpman in your roster, at the very least put him with the DK characters where he belongs.
 

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I actually tried playing playing Smash drunk, got 7 straight wins and 2 loses which I fell asleep and forget to recover.

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Never again
 

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In terms of a dream roster... I could make something incredibly self indulgent but it wouldn't really be Smash Bros. anymore, just a fighting game featuring my favorite characters.

Just take the current roster/DLC, add in K. Rool, Dixie Kong, Ridley, Wolf, Snake, Ganon, Isaac and Inklings and I'd call it a day.

I'm side eyeing y'all who add Dixie and not K. Rool into your rosters...
 

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A mix of realistic and a bit of a dream ones too. I like Sakurai's vision of choosing newcomers, I highly prefer that way, even on a dream roster.
I believe the 3 biggest icons will always remain a large priority in every installment. Almost all of the cuts that happened with Smash 4 I still believe should remain for time constraint purposes aside from Mewtwo and should definitely be saved for DLC later. Dark Pit and Lucina are new cuts. Probably won't change until the remaining years for a new SSB rolls by, so many things change that can change likelihood for some characters. (notably just franchises with consistently changing protagonists)
I like how you claim this is Sakurai's method of choosing newcomers.

This isn't even close.
 

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Just to let people know, Kid Icarus is a very minor Nintendo franchise in reality. It has three games with one of them being American exclusive. I can see it getting one newcomer in Smash 5 but that's about it for now. The only reason it has so much representation in Smash is because of Sakurai.
 
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Just to let people know, Kid Icarus is a very minor Nintendo franchise in reality. It has three games with one of them being American exclusive. I can see it getting one newcomer in Smash 5 but that's about it for now. The only reason it has so much representation in Smash is because of Sakurai.
Actually of myths and monsters has appeared in Japan from the VC.

Honestly KI will probably stay as is. The only options might be dead or are Viridi. And let's be honest with no new game it isnt happening.

Palutena was a pretty strong rewquest from a game that did prtty well. everything else though is a bit shaky.
 

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What I was trying to say was Palutena did get in because of requests, but Sakurai was probably more willing to put her in then other characters. King K. Rool being one example. Dark Pit was only in because he was easy to develop. Kid Icarus has never been mega successful, it's not failing either though. KI just doesn't draw in the sales as much as most of the other Nintendo franchises. That is partially due to there being only three games, but again none of them were huge sellers.
 

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GET READY FOR THE RYU PAIN TRAIN AT E3.

No but seriously, glad to see people are apparently more open to the idea now. What was once a crazy over reaction now seems to have chilled out a bit.

EDIT: Also, if Inklings don't get added as DLC to this Smash and you don't think they'll be in Smash 5, you're already wrong.
 
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GET READY FOR THE RYU PAIN TRAIN AT E3.

No but seriously, glad to see people are apparently more open to the idea now. What was once a crazy over reaction now seems to have chilled out a bit.
I would be happy if Ryu was announced. I don't really care about Ryu, but his inclusion would open up so many possibilities. (I'm still a skeptic in regards to his inclusion though.)
 

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I like how you claim this is Sakurai's method of choosing newcomers.

This isn't even close.
I'm guessing it must be the DLC choices I had in the roster. :p
Please tell me what the flaws are and I see what I can do from there. I'm guessing non-popular choices take more of the spotlight than actually requested characters.
 
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A mix of realistic and a bit of a dream ones too. I like Sakurai's vision of choosing newcomers, I highly prefer that way, even on a dream roster.
I believe the 3 biggest icons will always remain a large priority in every installment. Almost all of the cuts that happened with Smash 4 I still believe should remain for time constraint purposes aside from Mewtwo and should definitely be saved for DLC later. Dark Pit and Lucina are new cuts. Probably won't change until the remaining years for a new SSB rolls by, so many things change that can change likelihood for some characters. (notably just franchises with consistently changing protagonists)
I'm guessing it must be the DLC choices I had in the roster. :p
Please tell me what the flaws are and I see what I can do from there.
Most of these characters are obscure and all first party DLC characters are clones. Who the **** wants to buy clone characters?
 

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Most of these characters are obscure and all first party DLC characters are clones. Who the **** wants to buy clone characters?
I'll happily buy clone characters to expand my fighter roster if it means that no other characters would exist in their place as DLC.
 

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I'm guessing it must be the DLC choices I had in the roster. :p
Please tell me what the flaws are and I see what I can do from there.
  • Jumpman.
  • Kawashima
  • Bayonetta years after her exclusivity to Nintendo will be null.
  • Lacking of popular requests outside of Inkling and Dixie. Say what you will, but we always get a lot of popular characters. :4bowserjr::4littlemac::4megaman::4palutena::4pacman::4robinm::4shulk: Stop making excuses to keep them out. You're not trying to be realistic. You're going against the grain for the sake of going against the grain. You're starting to show passive aggressiveness towards popular characters and their fans as well. Not sure why.
  • No third party newcomers on the base roster. Ryu will probably stay around.
  • Another FE character from a game that will be pretty darn old by the time the next smash roles around.
  • Jumpman.
  • Three AC characters? Now I wouldn't mind one more next time, but two?
  • Adding Cross when the series has two games and if they do get more, why not just add the most recent guy?
  • Doc stayed but Lucas and Wolf didn't? There's no reason to keep Wolf out anymore.
  • Jumpman
Who the **** wants to buy clone characters?
:4lucas:

Gee. Why don't you look around?
 
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Which ones specifically?
Obscure? Jump Man instead of just Mario.
Dr. Kashiwhatever from Brain Age.
Whoever is between Dr. Kashiwhatever and Shulk. Edit; Oh... it's Cross. IMO Elma seems more important to the story and more popular than Cross. She isn't a Chrom situation where Cross is more unique of a fighter.

Clones? Young Link, Pichu, Roy, Lucas, Wolf, Dark Pit AAAND Lucina.

Continuing King K. Rool and Isaac being out is odd considering the power that they are pulling in the Ballot as is.

And Blue. I love your support but you know I'm never gonna accept the idea of Bayonetta in Smash until I see a gameplay video of her posted by Nintendo as much as I love her games xD
 
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Which ones specifically?
First of all, the elephant in the room, Jumpman. It's pretty much Mario but less...Mario. Ganon and Dixie, absolutely no problem. Kamui. Smash released about what? 4 months before If's announcement? Kamui's name not even being that wellknown then? Roy's game was only released two weeks after Melee and was advertised. Takamaru, Tom Nook and Isabelle, I'm okay with despite not liking new franchises getting multiple characters. Then there's the guy who kinda looks like Reyn, Kawashima and Chorus Kids. I havw no clue who the first one is, the second choice is honestly a choice that would make me inflict physical pain if this ever happened and Chorus Kids aren't even the protagonists of their own sodding franchises. Then there's the fact that the only unique DLC characters you listed are third party
EDIT: when I said 'who'd buy clones' I was specifically talking about Blue's additions like Pichu ang Yink
 
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I'm just going to avoid DLC choices altogether, that gets way too controversial if it's not a popular newcomer, though at the minimum, I'm just going to keep every cut veteran.

Kawashima
Meh that was a given. But I still believe that a historical retro will still happen, and Jumpman is the only notable one right now.
I only put Kawashima again only because I think he might relook at the idea again when a new Brain Age game comes out (which is pretty likely to happen given it's massive success) and finds out he's feasible for combat with his addition of hands in the newest game.

Lacking of popular requests outside of Inkling and Dixie. Say what you will, but we always get a lot of popular characters. :4bowserjr::4littlemac::4megaman::4palutena::4pacman::4robinm::4shulk: Stop making excuses to keep them out. You're not trying to be realistic. You're going against the grain for the sake of going against the grain. You're starting to show passive aggressiveness towards popular characters and their fans as well. Not sure why.
I believe there will be some popular and some unpopular requests getting in, a balance between that. Isabelle, Tom Nook, potentially Ganon (given his "villain" appeal), the new FE protagonist and Xenoblade protagonist that people will bandwagon (Like Chrom), Takamaru (Who people will likely support if there's no retro character in sight that has gotten a new successful game), Chorus Kids (If they aren't implemented as Smash DLC, will likely gain a spike in popularity again mainly for being planned and being unique), I'd say there's enough potentially popular candidates in the base roster already, the only few potentially unpopular ones are Jumpman and Dr. Kawashima.

You gotta think hypothetically and not just take Smash 4 ballot popularity into account. :L

No third party newcomers on the base roster. Ryu will probably stay around.
Not too sure how likely that Ryu will stay to be honest. :/


Another FE character from a game that will be pretty darn old by the time the next smash roles around.
Adding Cross when the series has two games and if they do get more, why not just add the most recent guy?
Like I said, those are only temporary, I will likely change when the next game is announced in the next few years or so.
Three AC characters? Now I wouldn't mind one more next time, but two?
Given the giant fanbase Isabelle has gotten, she'd probably be one of the biggest requests by the time SSB5 begins in development. And the popularity Tom Nook has gotten (even when he got deconfirmed) will likely spike again in SSB5. Both have pretty interesting characteristics to make a moveset from to get in the base game too. (Using merchant tools for battle and potentially Raccoon Mario skills, Isabelle having her moveset based on the "mayor factor" of Animal Crossing; Villager's moves are mainly based on the usual AC activities, while her moves could involve public work projects and more.)
((Taken from the deconfirmed group's Isabelle support thread))

Doc stayed but Lucas and Wolf didn't? There's no reason to keep Wolf out anymore.
If time constraints are on the line, Wolf and Lucas would likely be low priority, especially Lucas since Itoi stated that he would not make a new Mother game, and there are likely newcomers from new games who would receive priority over these guys. If Star Fox consistently gets new games with Wolf appearing, I could see him have a good chance of returning, but I still see him in the middle bottom priority somewhere still.

Clones? Young Link, Pichu, Roy, Lucas, Wolf, Dark Pit AAAND Lucina.
Clones who would likely get brought back if time constraints gets the best of them and to get people's mains back)

Continuing King K. Rool and Isaac being out is odd considering the power that they are pulling in the Ballot as is.
If King K. Rool and Isaac appear in new successful games, then I might add them to my roster, as of now, that hasn't happened yet.
 
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