Character Discussion Thread

[FalKoopa]

The fact that he's a big fat rabbit with fists for ears.

Is it that creepy?

About Greninja, I'm pretty sure he's here to stay. He's Ash's pokémon in the anime too, I think?

 

[Curious Villager]

Is it that creepy?

About Greninja, I'm pretty sure he's here to stay. He's Ash's pokémon in the anime too, I think?

Not yet, but he will most likely be pretty soon though.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Is it that creepy?

About Greninja, I'm pretty sure he's here to stay. He's Ash's pokémon in the anime too, I think?

Currently a Frogadier, but Ash's water starters typically don't evolve at all, so that means Greninja's at least likely
LOL 'ed

 

[FalKoopa]

Not yet, but he will most likely be pretty soon though.

I check Bulbapedia. He has a Frogadier, so it's only a matter of time.

 

[SegaNintendoUbisoft]

Speaking of costumes, **** the guy who thought 2 Luigi palletes that look identical would be good. **** the guy who made Pac-Man and Sonic alts. **** the guy who didn't want Shiny pokemon to be costumes

Personally, I don't mind Sonic's alts. Sonic being any color but blue (and yellow for Super Sonic) makes me think of a bad DeviantArt recolor. Pac-Man's are pretty bad though. Why not have his hat from Pac-Land?

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Personally, I don't mind Sonic's alts. Sonic being any color but blue (and yellow for Super Sonic) makes me think of a bad DeviantArt recolor. Pac-Man's are pretty bad though. Why not have his hat from Pac-Land?

We have a white one that resembles Silver, so kudos to that

 

[Arcanir]

I SEE A GIGGINOX CAUSE IT'S TIME FOR A FLEXING PARTY!

You know, I think Greninja might even surpass Lucario's popularity, at least in Smash anyway

Maybe, Lucario's mechanic isn't exactly that beloved whereas Greninja's is pretty popular and must be nerfed further.

Greninja's a starter so he's pretty relevant to the franchise, and I recall that Ash's Froakie evolves in the XY anime, so it seems like children who watch the show now would like him. And again, Starters. Something important about starters: So far a third of the starters have brand new spiffy evolutions, wonder how Smogon would react if Greninja gets a boost in that. He needs it, he was nerfed too hard in Smash like how Diddy was nerfed too hard in DKCRTF

It's pretty relevant, but it doesn't completely solidify you as a strong Pokemon, people aren't exactly praising those like Meganium despite being a starter. Granted, Greninja is far from Meganium level of ambivalence, but the point stands that being a starter doesn't always win you complete favor. As for the anime, it definitely could evolve and I would be surprised if it didn't, but we are talking about the same show that just had Ash dump a Goodra, so it's unfortunately not out of the realm of possibility that it doesn't evolve all of the way. Another possibility is they pull a May's Blaziken (who was also one of the most popular in its region) and have it evolve at the tail end of the region, hopefully that doesn't happen though.

Personally though, I hope that Greninja does return, he's my favorite Pokémon in the Smash games right now. I love his playstyle and it's great to have one of the Pokémon that I started out the region with make it into the game (I chose Blastoise instead of Charizard), it would be nice for him to stick around for other games.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

The main reasons I want Greninja to stay are
1. Gen VI pokemon that Sakurai apparently helped design, ring any bells Zelda fans?
2. My favourite pokemon, it takes a ton to surpass Sableye
3, Dark Type. Shame he doesn't have Dark type moves though

 

[EmceeEspio]

So I made a Jeff moveset, and in doing so, may have gotten too attached to a character that will never be playable.

Here you go anyway.

Spoiler

JEFF MOVESET V. 2.0

Height- Same as Assist Trophy
Weight- Near Ness and Lucas, maybe a *tiny* bit more
Fall Speed- Just a bit more than Ness
Walk speed- Average
Run speed- A few decimal points short of Ness
Jump Height- Missing Ness and Lucas' Enhanced Double Jump, but he does not suffer from their recovery inabilities. Other than that, around same as first jumps of the other Mother characters.

Notes- Calls his attacks like the other Mother characters. Voice is British (Winters IS supposedly in Europe) and just slightly lower pitched than Ness'. In this moveset, I invented for him "Palm shockers, which aid in some of his A attacks. These are smaller vices on his hands which emit short range electric pulses at will for melee attacks.

A- Strikes with an open palm, does electrical damage thanks to palm shockers.
AA- Follow up with other hand, again, using Palm shocker
AAA- Follows up with a pistol-whip using his Laser Gun
Ftilt- Swings Laser Gun forward
Utilt- Similar to Villager's up tilt, with his gun
Dtilt- A downward spike kick
Down Smash- Similar to Lucas', using the Laser Gun, but he swings back and shoots both sides
Forward Smash- Fires short range powerful Laser Blast
Up Smash- Fires Laser upward in an arc. Good range but low knockback
Nair- Spins around awkwardly. Decent damage, surprisingly
Fair- Vertical Pistol-whip slice
Bair- Backwards elbow jab
Uair- Thrusts palm upward with his palm shockers
Dair- Fires a small, but far travelling Laser Bolt
Grab- Reaches forward awkwardly with both arms
Pummel- Shocks opponent with the palm attachments
Fthrow- Barrage of Laser fire sending opponent forward
Dthrow- Forcefully jabs into opponent on ground with his palm-shockers. A powerful tool to his mains
Bthrow- Similar to F-throw but backwards
Uthrow- A two handed upward toss. Terrible knock back but great for follow ups.

B- BOTTLE ROCKET- Jeff charges a bottle rocket which fires immediately as soon as the button is released. The rocket fired into the air but homes in on opponent. Rocket damage, range, knock back, speed, and homing ability upgrades the more the button is held. The different forms of Rockets result in different calls from Jeff when he yells the attack name.

Side B- HEAVY BAZOOKA- Jeff takes a knee, pulling out the Heavy Bazooka. This weapon can be charged, at no charge the round falls straight to the ground, at full charge travels the length of Final Destination. The attack power does not change, but charging is still recommended because Jeff is not immune to the powerful effects of the explosion. The round has heavy gravity and falls quickly, making it an interesting off stage killer. Careful, however, because the weapon can overcharge and misfire.

UP B- GAIA BOOST- Fires the Gaia Beam below him. The force of the Beam pushes him upward. A powerful attack, but hard to land as an attack. Good vertical recovery, horizontal, not so much.

DOWN B- HP SUCKER- Shoots out a tether cord with decent range. If an enemy cones in contact, the HP sucker pulls them in and provides constant damage, healing Jeff proportionally. Essentially a tether grab of Nosferatu. The cord can also be used as a tether recovery!

FINAL SMASH- SKY RUNNER- Jeff pilots the Sky Runner around the skies and crashes it down, complete with a powerful, growing "BOOM!" Text effect that acts as a supercharged Smart Bomb.

Taunt 1- Buble Monkey appears and Jeff gives him a piece of gum. Bubble monkey blows a bubble and leavers.

Taunt 2- Jeff faces the screen and adjusts his glasses at the bridge of the nose while they glow white badassly.

Taunt 3- Jeff tinkers with his Laser Gun and chuckles sheepishly as he almost hits himself with it. This taunt can actually do a small amount of damage.

Victory 1- Looks down at an angle with his arms crossed pointing down as bottle rockets fly from behind him. Pose is an obvious reference

Victory 2- Tony is happily cheering next to him while he stands there a bit embarrassed by his friend's actions.

Victory 3- Does a mockup James Bond pose with his Laser Gun

Idle pose- stands with his hands at his hips, holding his laser gun. Idle animations include adjusting his glasses, fiddling with his palm shockers, and adjusting his tie, glancing around a bit nervously.

 

[Wintropy]

So I made a Jeff moveset, and in doing so, may have gotten too attached to a character that will never be playable.

Here you go anyway.

Spoiler

JEFF MOVESET V. 2.0

Height- Same as Assist Trophy
Weight- Near Ness and Lucas, maybe a *tiny* bit more
Fall Speed- Just a bit more than Ness
Walk speed- Average
Run speed- A few decimal points short of Ness
Jump Height- Missing Ness and Lucas' Enhanced Double Jump, but he does not suffer from their recovery inabilities. Other than that, around same as first jumps of the other Mother characters.

Notes- Calls his attacks like the other Mother characters. Voice is British (Winters IS supposedly in Europe) and just slightly lower pitched than Ness'. In this moveset, I invented for him "Palm shockers, which aid in some of his A attacks. These are smaller vices on his hands which emit short range electric pulses at will for melee attacks.

A- Strikes with an open palm, does electrical damage thanks to palm shockers.
AA- Follow up with other hand, again, using Palm shocker
AAA- Follows up with a pistol-whip using his Laser Gun
Ftilt- Swings Laser Gun forward
Utilt- Similar to Villager's up tilt, with his gun
Dtilt- A downward spike kick
Down Smash- Similar to Lucas', using the Laser Gun, but he swings back and shoots both sides
Forward Smash- Fires short range powerful Laser Blast
Up Smash- Fires Laser upward in an arc. Good range but low knockback
Nair- Spins around awkwardly. Decent damage, surprisingly
Fair- Vertical Pistol-whip slice
Bair- Backwards elbow jab
Uair- Thrusts palm upward with his palm shockers
Dair- Fires a small, but far travelling Laser Bolt
Grab- Reaches forward awkwardly with both arms
Pummel- Shocks opponent with the palm attachments
Fthrow- Barrage of Laser fire sending opponent forward
Dthrow- Forcefully jabs into opponent on ground with his palm-shockers. A powerful tool to his mains
Bthrow- Similar to F-throw but backwards
Uthrow- A two handed upward toss. Terrible knock back but great for follow ups.

B- BOTTLE ROCKET- Jeff charges a bottle rocket which fires immediately as soon as the button is released. The rocket fired into the air but homes in on opponent. Rocket damage, range, knock back, speed, and homing ability upgrades the more the button is held. The different forms of Rockets result in different calls from Jeff when he yells the attack name.

Side B- HEAVY BAZOOKA- Jeff takes a knee, pulling out the Heavy Bazooka. This weapon can be charged, at no charge the round falls straight to the ground, at full charge travels the length of Final Destination. The attack power does not change, but charging is still recommended because Jeff is not immune to the powerful effects of the explosion. The round has heavy gravity and falls quickly, making it an interesting off stage killer. Careful, however, because the weapon can overcharge and misfire.

UP B- GAIA BOOST- Fires the Gaia Beam below him. The force of the Beam pushes him upward. A powerful attack, but hard to land as an attack. Good vertical recovery, horizontal, not so much.

DOWN B- HP SUCKER- Shoots out a tether cord with decent range. If an enemy cones in contact, the HP sucker pulls them in and provides constant damage, healing Jeff proportionally. Essentially a tether grab of Nosferatu. The cord can also be used as a tether recovery!

FINAL SMASH- SKY RUNNER- Jeff pilots the Sky Runner around the skies and crashes it down, complete with a powerful, growing "BOOM!" Text effect that acts as a supercharged Smart Bomb.

Taunt 1- Buble Monkey appears and Jeff gives him a piece of gum. Bubble monkey blows a bubble and leavers.

Taunt 2- Jeff faces the screen and adjusts his glasses at the bridge of the nose while they glow white badassly.

Taunt 3- Jeff tinkers with his Laser Gun and chuckles sheepishly as he almost hits himself with it. This taunt can actually do a small amount of damage.

Victory 1- Looks down at an angle with his arms crossed pointing down as bottle rockets fly from behind him. Pose is an obvious reference

Victory 2- Tony is happily cheering next to him while he stands there a bit embarrassed by his friend's actions.

Victory 3- Does a mockup James Bond pose with his Laser Gun

Idle pose- stands with his hands at his hips, holding his laser gun. Idle animations include adjusting his glasses, fiddling with his palm shockers, and adjusting his tie, glancing around a bit nervously.

That's great! I would actually play this if it was a thing.

 

[JamesDNaux]

Personally, I don't mind Sonic's alts. Sonic being any color but blue (and yellow for Super Sonic) makes me think of a bad DeviantArt recolor.

This somehow never crossed my mind and now I'm grateful that Sonic never changes colours in Smash.

Still no excuse for Pac-Man though.

 

[Dragoncharystary]

If were somewhat on the topic of Smash 5, I expect either Robin or Lucina to get cut and the other one to stay.

Also I think Greninja's appearance in Smash 5 depends on how his popularity goes from now until Smash 5. Although he could randomly reappear because some veterans like R.O.B who know thought would come back came back.

 

[Wintropy]

If were somewhat on the topic of Smash 5, I expect either Robin or Lucina to get cut and the other one to stay.

Also I think Greninja's appearance in Smash 5 depends on how his popularity goes from now until Smash 5. Although he could randomly reappear because some veterans like R.O.B who know thought would come back came back.

There is absolutely no way in Naga's name that Robin would get cut.

None whatsoever.

 

[Curious Villager]

I'm personally not that big of a fan of speculating cuts. Remember how almost everyone was super confident that Toon Link would go?

Boy was I glad they where wrong. :T

 

[EmceeEspio]

That's great! I would actually play this if it was a thing.

Thank you.

I'm personally not that big of a fan of speculating cuts. Remember how almost everyone was super confident that Toon Link would go?

Boy am I glad they where wrong. :T

Yes.

 

[Champ Gold]

There is absolutely no way in Naga's name that Robin would get cut.

None whatsoever.

Remember how Mewtwo was supposed to replace Lucario?

 

[False Sense]

If were somewhat on the topic of Smash 5, I expect either Robin or Lucina to get cut and the other one to stay.

If either were to get cut, it would be Lucina. Definitely not Robin.

You cut Robin, I'll cut you.

 

[Wintropy]

Remember how Mewtwo was supposed to replace Lucario?

Nope. ;3

 

[DustyPumpkin]

There is absolutely no way in Naga's name that Robin would get cut.

None whatsoever.

But what if they replace Robin with the latest Avatar everytime?

 

[Ura]

I wanted to go mainly because I was extremely about him taking's place on the roster. When came back to Smash 4, I became even more and I refused to play as the character unless I have to get his Classic/All-Star trophy or for any other completion reason.

 

[Arcanir]

Remember how Mewtwo was supposed to replace Lucario?

Oh man, that argument or the alternative *insert Gen 5/6 Pokemon* replaces Lucario weren't pleasant. I still remember arguing that Lucario had far more importance then people gave him credit for, it was extremely nice to go to the Miiverse post thread in January and see him in HD after so many doubted him.

 

[Wintropy]

But what if they replace Robin with the latest Avatar everytime?

They didn't replace Marth with Ike.

They didn't replace Charizard with Greninja.

They didn't replace Ganondorf with Demise.

They didn't replace Ness with Lucas.

Robin is a very distinctive and well-received characters, replacing them with another character just because they happen be the Avatar figure of a new game would be utterly cynical and totally pointless.

 

[False Sense]

But what if they replace Robin with the latest Avatar everytime?

Like how they replaced Ike with the latest protagonist?

Like how they replaced Lucario with a brand new Pokemon?

 

[DustyPumpkin]

Like how they replaced Ike with the latest protagonist?

Like how they replaced Lucario with a brand new Pokemon?

They didn't replace Marth with Ike.

They didn't replace Charizard with Greninja.

They didn't replace Ganondorf with Demise.

They didn't replace Ness with Lucas.

Robin is a very distinctive and well-received characters, replacing them with another character just because they happen be the Avatar figure of a new game would be utterly cynical and totally pointless.

Well it's more the idea that those people are established characters while Robin is the Customizable avatar character,but you're right it does sound silly

What doesn't sound silly regrading Robin though is a "Hood-Up" Alt which then should have been used for the Amiibo so I could at least PRETEND It's possible to get a Female Robin Amiibo (And a Robin Amiibo at all....)

 

[Wintropy]

Well it's more the idea that those people are established characters while Robin is the Customizable avatar character,but you're right it does sound silly

What doesn't sound silly regrading Robin though is a "Hood-Up" Alt which then should have been used for the Amiibo so I could at least PRETEND It's possible to get a Female Robin Amiibo (And a Robin Amiibo at all....)

Hooded Robin would be amazing.

plz sakurai ;w;

 

[False Sense]

Well it's more the idea that those people are established characters while Robin is the Customizable avatar character,but you're right it does sound silly

Yeah... Despite being customizable, Robin is very much an established character with a distinct personality and history. Calling him/her an "avatar" is incorrect. The likes of Mario and Link are closer to avatars than Robin is.

 

[Curious Villager]

I don't really see either of them getting cut.

Or at least. I don't see Sakurai cutting either of them deliberately.

I don't see Robin getting replaced by anyone and Lucina has a big fanbase over at Japan last I heard. So I can see her at least being low priority. (or potential DLC)

 

[Ura]

Robin is defiantly a lock for Smash 5 seeing as how his moveset is too unique to be removed (the only Smash FE character to utilize something other than a sword and has cool magic attacks). Should Roy come back with a significantly decloned moveset, he'll also be a lock for the next game. Ike I also consider a lock seeing as how he's really unique as a sword user. Marth is the face of FE and will never be cut. Lucina is the only FE character that's at risk of being cut from Smash 5 unless she gets an overhaul to her moveset.

 

[N3ON]

I see Lucina getting cut going forward. Not Robin though.

Clones are low priority, Lucina will be old news, there are already three other FE characters who will likely get much higher priority, and there will be new FEs to promote.

I also see Dark Pit getting cut.

As a whole I think characters will be more expendable what with the fact that the focus has shifted to recency and the roster is starting to push the limits for fighting games. Well, most fighting games.

But a lot of them will probably be brought back as DLC afterwards so whatever.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

So if we're gonna talk about Pokemon, then I want to see Hawlucha, Gengar, or Heracross

 

[Wintropy]

Gardevoir.

Anything else is superfluous.

 

[JaidynReiman]

The only thing I can see happening with Robin is maybe updating Robin's design to future Tactician classes (if they come back), or use future Avatar's as alts. That's about it.

 

[JamesDNaux]

But Pokemon Trainer Goodra is the greatest Pokemon ever.

Totally Smash material right there.

 

[A Distant Demon]

Ivysaur and gardevoir are the only pokemon I care for or smash.

well other than Krookodile and Nidoking but thta is downright not happening

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

What do you guys think of Bub in Smash Bros. I mean come on. Square Enix and Taito rep that is normally on Nintendo consoles.
#BUB4SM4SH

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Gardevoir.

Anything else is superfluous.

Didn't you suggest Galvantula earlier though?

Anyway. The Pokémon Newcomers I would pick are: Growlithe (Favorite Pokémon bias), Ampharos, Spinda (cause it'd be hilarious), Breloom, Grumpig (He would be funny too), Darkrai, Garbador (cause I want to see this thing's running animation),

 

[DustyPumpkin]

I see Lucina getting cut going forward. Not Robin though.

Clones are low priority, Lucina will be old news, there are already three other FE characters who will likely get much higher priority, and there will be new FEs to promote.

I also see Dark Pit getting cut.

As a whole I think characters will be more expendable what with the fact that the focus has shifted to recency and the roster is starting to push the limits for fighting games. Well, most fighting games.

But a lot of them will probably be brought back as DLC afterwards so whatever.

I dunno, even as clones go Lucina's super easy to do.
They barely had to animate anything different and she has so very few differences that if they want a very last second person to pad out the roster a bit more then she is definitely the one to go for

Like seriously you can count the differences on your hand, Didn't even bother at least giving the Final Smash an Awakening flare, godamn she feels lazy ...where was I going with this?

 

[Deathcarter]

I see Lucina getting cut going forward. Not Robin though.

Clones are low priority, Lucina will be old news, there are already three other FE characters who will likely get much higher priority, and there will be new FEs to promote.

I also see Dark Pit getting cut.

As a whole I think characters will be more expendable what with the fact that the focus has shifted to recency and the roster is starting to push the limits for fighting games. Well, most fighting games.

But a lot of them will probably be brought back as DLC afterwards so whatever.

I feel the opposite. I think that we'll just get less newcomers going forward and more focus/advertisement will go into other content aside from the roster. Maybe not something stupidly time consuming like the Subspace Emissary again but still some big mode or two they can advertise the hell out of.

 

[A Distant Demon]

I feel the opposite. I think that we'll just get less newcomers going forward and more focus/advertisement will go into other content aside from the roster. Maybe not something stupidly time consuming like the Subspace Emissary again but still some big mode or two they can advertise the hell out of.

The problem is that characters are the biggest selling point. By a HUGE margin. Sonic, mega man, villager etc etc are all the big things used to sell because the whole point of this game is a bunch of characyers fighting. It would be a huge shift to go from almost no focus on modes beacuse nearly all of it goes into character reveals to selling modes. Especially after the current modes for smash 4 are considered so. . . Lackluster.

Smash hype feeds on newcomers

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

The problem is that characters are the biggest selling point. By a HUGE margin. Sonic, mega man, villager etc etc are all the big things used to sell because the whole point of this game is a bunch of characyers fighting. It would be a huge shift to go from almost no focus on modes beacuse nearly all of it goes into character reveals to selling modes. Especially after the current modes for smash 4 are considered so. . . Lackluster.

Smash hype feeds on newcomers

Every mode in smash that isn't Event Match, Classic, or All Star, or Adventure is widely criticized. The Subspace Emissary is hated for not being Melee's Adventure mode, Smash Run receives hate (Dunno why.), And Smash Tour is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo boring.