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Resident Evil doesn't really have a "main character". Albert Wesker is as close as you can get to a main character because he's in nearly every game, and mentioned in all the ones he's not in.
That being said, I can't see them picking Wesker over Jill, Leon, etc. unless they badly want a Resident Evil rep for some reason but at the same time don't want guns in the game.


Ah, yes, another fan made rule just waiting to be destroyed! :awesome:
Also Ness is not the first main character of his series so that's two exceptions to your "rule" right there.
Well it's been true for the vast majority of cases. Andy is the poster boy for AW as a whole so I don't see why he wouldn't be the first to rep the series (granted the series ever does get a rep in Smash Bros).

Ness was the only character from the Mother series to have a Western release so it does make sense he would get in over Ninten
 

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Well it's been true for the vast majority of cases. Andy is the poster boy for AW as a whole so I don't see why he wouldn't be the first to rep the series (granted the series ever does get a rep in Smash Bros).
Ness was the only character from the Mother series to have a Western release so it does make sense he would get in over Ninten
Andy may be more prominent, but he isn't the main character. So even if that is a rule (it's not) Sami is still fair game.
 

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I realized something: Fire Emblem is a franchise with no real main character.
:4marth:IS the Flagship character though. He was the first and only character to star in more than one game until Late 2000's when :4myfriends: had Radiant Dawn. Fire Emblem Gaiden (FE2) reused a lot of the allies of Marth who said that they were sent to help the continent under HIS orders to help the kingdom in need while Marth himself was helping rebuild the countries that would ultimately be screwed over in FE3. The two games between Ike and Awakening, and the only remakes of the series, were DS remakes of Marth's two titles. Then, of course, Marth's bloodline is what makes up the Yllisean family that constitutes Chrom, :4lucina:, and technically :4robinm:/:4robinf: if they marry into it. Also you have Lucina using the disguise as "Marth" and the existance of Tiki which both bring back points of his character when most other protagonists got little more than a weapon (outside of DLC and BonusBox matches).
 
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Andy may be more prominent, but he isn't the main character. So even if that is a rule (it's not) Sami is still fair game.
He was the main protagonist of the first game though. Further solidifying this is the fact that you have to use him in the last mission of the game while the other Orange Star CO's may or may not be in that mission depending on the requirements you fulfill in the game.
 

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:4marth:IS the Flagship character though. He was the first and only character to star in more than one game until Late 2000's when :4myfriends: had Radiant Dawn. Fire Emblem Gaiden (FE2) reused a lot of the allies of Marth who said that they were sent to help the continent under HIS orders to help the kingdom in need while Marth himself was helping rebuild the countries that would ultimately be screwed over in FE3. The two games between Ike and Awakening, and the only remakes of the series, were DS remakes of Marth's two titles. Then, of course, Marth's bloodline is what makes up the Yllisean family that constitutes Chrom, :4lucina:, and technically :4robinm:/:4robinf: if they marry into it.
...but none of them are the main character.
 

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Not every story has to have a "main" character, and there are times when the central focus of the narrative never even appears. Waiting For Godot is the classic example: although you could argue the protagonists are Vladimir and Estragon, since they're the two lead roles and - aside from brief interludes from Pozzo, Lucky and the Boy - the actual crux of the narrative is Godot, who never appears on-stage or is even detailed beyond a few passing mentions.

In a similar vein to Fire Emblem, the Disgaea series doesn't have a singular "main" character, but Laharl is most often depicted as the flagship character: he's the face of the series and the most iconic protagonist. You could argue something similar about the Tales of series, though it's debatable as to whether Lloyd is the main character (by virtue of being the most iconic and recurring protagonist in the series) or Cress is (by virtue of being the first protagonist). Fire Emblem may not have a singular protagonist, but Marth is by far and away the most iconic and central to the overall lore, and that's why he was chosen to be the face of the series in Smash.
 

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Just wanted to ask this quickly: Anyone else hate "X can't be playable, they'd be a clone of Y"? I swear, this shows how ****ing dumb some people are. Dark Samus I at least kind of see why they would think that but once you see what she does then it's a dead argument. Ridley and K.Rool had this a lot with Charizard and Bowser, 2 dragons=not enough to do with about 8-ish sword wielders=just fine. K.Rool doesn't resemble Bowser at all! I'm also certain people would say Viridi would be a Palutena clone and everyone and their mother saying Marth about a potential Fire Emblem character
 
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Not every story has to have a "main" character, and there are times when the central focus of the narrative never even appears. Waiting For Godot is the classic example: although you could argue the protagonists are Vladimir and Estragon, since they're the two lead roles and - aside from brief interludes from Pozzo, Lucky and the Boy - the actual crux of the narrative is Godot, who never appears on-stage or is even detailed beyond a few passing mentions.

In a similar vein to Fire Emblem, the Disgaea series doesn't have a singular "main" character, but Laharl is most often depicted as the flagship character: he's the face of the series and the most iconic protagonist. You could argue something similar about the Tales of series, though it's debatable as to whether Lloyd is the main character (by virtue of being the most iconic and recurring protagonist in the series) or Cress is (by virtue of being the first protagonist). Fire Emblem may not have a singular protagonist, but Marth is by far and away the most iconic and central to the overall lore, and that's why he was chosen to be the face of the series in Smash.
Oh god smash speculation is just like godot

Constantly bickering over nothing. A new point (pozzo) shows up and that goes on for a while and then it starts again the next day. Its the same cycle over and over.


Pokemon doesnt have a "main" character and niether does mother. They just use the flagship character.

isnt isaac only playable in one game as well? RPGs are weird
 

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I was thinking about DLC characters and I thought for characters Lucas and beyond, an eShop release of a game would coincide with their respective characters. Like

:4lucas:: Mother 3 on Wii U VC
:roymelee:: Fire Emblem: Binding Blade on VC
:wolf:: Star Fox 64 on VC or Star Fox Wii U on eShop

I was really expecting a Mother 3 VC announcement after the Lucas trailer back in April... :ohwell:
 
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Just wanted to ask this quickly: Anyone else hate "X can't be playable, they'd be a clone of Y"? I swear, this shows how ****ing dumb some people are. Dark Samus I at least kind of see why they would think that but once you see what she does then it's a dead argument. Ridley and K.Rool had this a lot with Charizard and Bowser, 2 dragons=not enough to do with about 8-ish sword wielders=just fine. K.Rool doesn't resemble Bowser at all! I'm also certain people would say Viridi would be a Palutena clone and everyone and their mother saying Marth about a potential Fire Emblem character
Could be != will be. Viridi COULD be a clone but i dont see that happening from the scythe/claws/palm/ nature ( i dont see her happening either but at Still) like i said blaziken could be a clone but probably wouldnt be. If they cant be an alt. They have the ability to not be a clone to put it simply
 

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Could be != will be. Viridi COULD be a clone but i dont see that happening from the scythe/claws/palm/ nature ( i dont see her happening either but at Still) like i said blaziken could be a clone but probably wouldnt be. If they cant be an alt. They have the ability to not be a clone to put it simply
I expect people to go and whine 'muh Palutena clone' in your thread though
I was thinking about DLC characters and I thought for characters Lucas and beyond, an eShop release of a game would coincide with their respective characters. Like

:4lucas:: Mother 3 on Wii U VC
:roymelee:: Fire Emblem: Binding Blade on VC
:wolf:: Star Fox 64 on VC or Star Fox Wii U on eShop

I was really expecting a Mother 3 VC announcement after the Lucas trailer back in April... :ohwell:
Though there is a supposed leaked image of Mother 3 in the masterpieces, I think this is highly unlikely. Takamaru's game didn't get translated when it got brought outside Japan, and these are text heavy RPGs, I've seen an English Binding Blade but that's likely emulator excluive
 
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I expect people to go and whine 'muh Palutena clone' in your thread though

Though there is a supposed leaked image of Mother 3 in the masterpieces, I think this is highly unlikely. Takamaru's game didn't get translated when it got brought outside Japan, and these are text heavy RPGs, I've seen an English Binding Blade but that's likely emulator excluive
Yeah that masterpiece is fake. The lucas render still has orange on the pants so its super obvious they failed the cropping if you zoom in enough
 

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:4lucas:I'm all in for Mother 3 getting localized on the VC. It's about time the game made it's way to the West.
:roypm:I'm also hyped for my boy's game potentially being brought to the VC though in order to quell the "Roy's stats are so low" complaints, they need to change up his stats so their won't be another wave of complainers.

:wolf:Star Fox 64 was already on the Wii VC so bringing it to the Wii U VC should be no problem.
 

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Oh god smash speculation is just like godot

Constantly bickering over nothing. A new point (pozzo) shows up and that goes on for a while and then it starts again the next day. Its the same cycle over and over.
A skull! A skull in Final Destination!

At least we've on from Ridley and Bayonetta and oh damn I mentioned them didn't I~
 

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I wouldn't rule out :pichumelee: just yet, if only because it would take very little effort too make.
The sheer amount of :shaker:with :pichumelee:'s inclusion would be freaking glorious.

I can see it now...
 

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Pichu would be hype... for me.
Indeed he would. Seeing as he already has a moveset to fall back on, he wouldn't take that much time and effort to make.

The sheer amount of butthurt from people is what will make Pichu's inclusion special though. We would see a lot of "why can't X be in the game but Pichu can" which is hilarious to me.
 
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Sorry for interjecting here, but while that's true for Bowser, DK did have a voice before Melee via DK64. In fact, Sakurai was given his voice clips from the game to use for DK before deciding against it for the animalistic ones.
But it wasn't the Scooby voice that modern DK uses in every game now.
That was the point I was getting at. Outside of DK64 prior to Melee, DK used animalistic sounds, and it wouldn't be until Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour that they would start to be phased out (in favor of Grant Kirkhope's clips) and until Mario Power Tennis where the Scooby Kong would debut.

I would like a source for that info, though. @PushDustIn got anything to verify this from the Melee website?

He still does it normally while SSBB and SSB4 Ganondorf can't even dash properly and does that weird "ugh" kind of dash. And if you don't know what exactly im talking about, then its when he runts towards Link and gives you opportunity to do...er...this:

Don't remember how it was called.
Those are the mini-spurts I was talking about.
He's not exactly running running. Ganondorf isn't much of a runner. Like I said, he's more a leaper and walker.

Though I suppose that animation can be effectively used as a run......if he was fighting with a weapon.
That style of "hold sword over shoulder and charge into battle" run like a knight or a Viking warrior doesn't exactly work without the sword.


So instead, Ganondorf runs like a middle-aged man wearing heavy armor.

It only looks "silly" because it's Mr. "Never Runs" looking like a normal man out on a jog.
Melee's "sprint like Captain Falcon but much slower" run was much worse.

Doesn't means you have to include something that absolutely disgusting. Like if Mario would make this expression each time he is supposed to open his mouth just because it appeared once on a concept art's rough sketches part:

Ignore background on the image. It doesn't matters. What matters is that Mario here is ridicolous. And kinda creepy. But mostly ridicolous.
Fair point, though I would argue that it looks better in concept than the end result (Ridley should not move his top jaw; he just shouldn't), so I don't think the comparison of a deliberately exaggerated Mario expression is an apt one.


Metal Face looks great and he is in same role as Ridley.
Metal Face only looks "great" compared to his in-game model from Xenoblade, but when compared to a character....

He doesn't look nearly as good. Especially close up.
That's Assist quality resolution.


4 Other M Ridleys can work just fine in SSBB with some minor optimizing that would be possible to do for SSB4. 4 Ridleys. SSBB is for Wii. SSB4 is for WiiU. Ridley is always one here.
Since I'm not that knowledgeable on hardware and rendering, I'm not really able to say anything about this, so I'm just going to take your word for it.


Now thats just improper angle and DSX8's Pyrosphere having brighter lighting. Look at my profile pic then:

It looks better here.
Still the same problem; it looks cleaner, but it doesn't really blend well with the Smash 4 cast.
 
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Indeed he would. Seeing as he already has a moveset to fall back on, he wouldn't take that much time and effort to make.

The sheer amount of butthurt from people is what will make Pichu's inclusion special though. We would see a lot of "why can't X be in the game but Pichu can" which is hilarious to me.
Yeah, a lot of people would be mad :(
I don't even know why, I mean... yeah, I'm a little biased, but Pichu would be like the only Melee veteran left after Roy's confirmation, he would represent the second Pokemon generation, he is important because he is the pre-evolution of the mascot, he would add a new mechanic (self damage), he at least had an attack that Pikachu didn't have (Up Smash) and he can be decloned with attacks like Thunder Wave, Charm (a counter :awesome:), Thunder Punch or Iron Tail.

And If he was bad, who cares?
People still want Zelda to return in all the Smash games :troll:
 
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Yeah, a lot of people would be mad :(
I don't even know why, I mean... yeah, I'm a little biased, but Pichu would be like the only veteran left after Roy's confirmation, he would represent the second Pokemon generation, he is important because he is the pre-evolution of the mascot, he would add a new mechanic (self damage), he at least had an attack that Pikachu didn't have (Up Smash) and he can be decloned with attacks like Discharge, Charm (a counter :awesome:), Thunder Punch or Iron Tail.

And If he was bad, who cares?
People still want Zelda to return in all the Smash games :troll:
I would rather have Pichu stay the same way he was in Melee personally. And yeah, their never has been a 2nd gen rep since Melee so Pichu can fill that role.

It's mostly the self-righteous, bratty fans who would be throwing fits for Pichu's inclusion because "ZOMG muh Ridley didn't get in and Pichu's in this is a travesty!" (no offense Ridley supporters). Sakurai said he would try to get as many DLC characters so after Mewtwo and after the 5 pre-determined DLC characters (most likely being Lucas, Ryu, Roy, Wolf, and Inkling), their can very well be another wave of DLC characters for the Smash ballot.

YLink would be the only veteran left from Melee if Roy and Pichu get in though he would have to wait until Smash 5 to make his return.
 
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I would rather have Pichu stay the same way he was in Melee personally. And yeah, their never has been a 2nd gen rep since Melee so Pichu can fill that role.

It's mostly the self-righteous, bratty fans who would be throwing fits for Pichu's inclusion because "ZOMG muh Ridley didn't get in and Pichu's in this is a travesty!" (no offense Ridley supporters). Sakurai said he would try to get as many DLC characters so after Mewtwo and after the 5 pre-determined DLC characters (most likely being Lucas, Ryu, Roy, Wolf, and Inkling), their can very well be another wave of DLC characters for the Smash ballot.

YLink would be the only veteran left from Melee if Roy and Pichu get in though he would have to wait until Smash 5 to make his return.
We will know the answer about Pichu's potential moveset with the reveal of Roy.
I hope he has some different attacks, like a projectile.
 

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I would like a source for that info, though. @PushDustIn got anything to verify this from the Melee website?
It wasn't Sakurai, reportedly it was Kirkhope who said that. However, I'm having trouble finding a post or interview about it, so I'm wondering if maybe that was a false fact that gained traction.
 

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We will know the answer about Pichu's potential moveset with the reveal of Roy.
I hope he has some different attacks, like a projectile.
I'm certain Roy will get a projectile, as that's the most iconic thing about the Sword of Seals other than fire iirc. Then again, Ragnell has shockwaves and an inferior custom is the best they can do
 

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Roy should return with his baser mechanic (the base of his sword delivering more knockback).

A projectile would help his game, by baiting characters to come in closer or risk getting whacked over and over again from afar.
His old B move coupled with a vacuum effect and leaping smashes would help his playstyle.
 

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We will know the answer about Pichu's potential moveset with the reveal of Roy.
I hope he has some different attacks, like a projectile.
IDK about Pichu getting revealed though. It'll be easy to make Pichu playable but that all depends on if Sakurai is going to put Pichu in the game. With the 5 pre-determined characters already obvious for the most part, Pichu's hope is for the Smash Ballot.

Roy should have fire projectiles in his moveset. I came up with an idea for him to have a Side B that lets him charge and shoot fireballs from his sword.
 

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If Roy shares Marth's side B animations, perhaps he could shoot sweeping fire after each combo string input. The fire would have no hitstun, but could tack on damage. The trade-off would be slower attacks coupled with the baser mechanic (which seems to go against the idea of linking attacks).
 

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While Fire Emblem doesn't have a main character, :4marth:is still the face of the series as a whole.


When people think of Fire Emblem, they think of Marth



And Smash :4wario2:
 

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If Roy shares Marth's side B animations, perhaps he could shoot sweeping fire after each combo string input. The fire would have no hitstun, but could tack on damage. The trade-off would be slower attacks coupled with the baser mechanic (which seems to go against the idea of linking attacks).
I made a custom moveset where Roy combines his Double-Edged Dance with his Counter in to a new Down B called the Double-Edged Counter. Basically, it would work the same way Roy's Counter works in Melee only right after, he can use his Double Edged Dance for great combo potential. That way, he could have a new Side B where he uses fire projectiles like what people wanted him to have.

It would be really interesting to have every character who's ever been in Smash return through DLC.
I would like to see that as well though I have a hard time seeing YLink, Squirtle, Ivysaur, IC's, and Solid Snake getting in with how everything is right now.
 
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I wouldn't rule out :pichumelee: just yet, if only because it would take very little effort too make.
sadly...
It's cute, but that's the only reason I like Pichu. I would simply prefer to not have him, especially if it's DLC since I would struggle to see reasons for buying it unless they change quite a lot.
 
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