Character Discussion Thread

[PushDustIn]

Sakurai briefly considered Takamaru for playable character status, he was never planned.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

...Wait, what?

Either that makes no sense or I'm missing a vital part of your thesis statement.

For quite a while a lot of people mistook something Sakurai said as "there's going to be no/very few new characters added in the New Smash games". I was referencing that since we were talking about people misinterpreting things.

Sakurai briefly considered Takamaru for playable character status, he was never planned.

That's what I thought, all the gaming sites and YouTube users seem to think differently though. Hooray for more misinformation being spread, it seems to be something that Smash can never avoid.

 

[Wintropy]

For quite a while a lot of people mistook something Sakurai said as "there's going to be no/very few new characters added in the New Smash games". I was referencing that since we were talking about people misinterpreting things. That's what I thought, all the gaming sites and YouTube users seem to think differently though. Hooray for more misinformation being spread, it seems to be something that Smash can never avoid.

Oh, well, now that I get the reference, that's actually pretty funny.

Well played, my friend.

 

[ZeldaMaster]

All this discussion of Takamru getting the AT upgrade like Little Mac, and I'm still here confused as to why Isaac isn't a character yet.

 

[Dastardly Ridleylash]

All this discussion of Takamru getting the AT upgrade like Little Mac, and I'm still here confused as to why Isaac isn't a character yet.

He's 2 big.

No, but in all seriousness I think it's because Golden Sun hasn't had a new game in a while, IIRC. It's sort of in limbo, like Earthbound was. If it gets a new game for the 3DS, than maybe he'll have a shot. Until then, he's just got too much extremely desired competition to get much of a glance from Nintendo.

 

[JaidynReiman]

All this discussion of Takamru getting the AT upgrade like Little Mac, and I'm still here confused as to why Isaac isn't a character yet.

I'd say Isaac is probably a top contender. GS hasn't had a game since 2010, that probably made him a low-priority character for this game.

Sakurai briefly considered Takamaru for playable character status, he was never planned.

This does mean that Sakurai did like the idea of using Takamaru, of course. It is interesting to note. But its not any more than a footnote like Chrom was. Takamaru actually does have a chance of being playable in the next Smash, though, of course.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Honestly I think Isaac was planned to be in the game. He is from an old franchise that doesn't have any new games planned. Which unfortunately means it's now or never for Isaac, as well as the Exitebiker.

 

[JaidynReiman]

Honestly I think Isaac was planned to be in the game. He is from an old franchise that doesn't have any new games planned. Which unfortunately means it's now or never for Isaac, as well as the Exitebiker.

As far as we know. Camelot still hasn't announced their next project yet, they can't do HD games, and if they don't do something different from GS or Golf/Tennis (which they have not done for the past 20 years), GS is really the only thing they can work on. Plus, the timing is perfect. New game announced on Camelot's 20th anniversary, released on GS's 15th anniversary (2016).


If GS does not have a game in development I don't think any GS characters will be Smash DLC. That said, I'd say the odds are quite likely that GS4 is coming.

 

[PushDustIn]

Here's a transcript for those of you who are interested:
Sakurai: But, you know I get requests like "Please put Goku in"
Sugita: GOKU!?
Sakurai: "Please put Spongebob"
Sugita: SPONGEBOB?!
Sakurai: That's impossible.
Sugita: Spongebob's games are only sold abroad!
Sakurai: That's right
Sugita: The really energetic, yellow square right?
Sakurai: Yes.
Sugita: Even Spongebob...
Sakurai: Well, those kinds of requests are pretty common.
Sugita: What about Yukawasen*, or Segata Sanshiro?
Sakurai: (laughs)
Sugita: ...well I'm glad Sonic's in.
Sakurai: That's the point of Mii Fighters

*I can't understand this name for the life of me. The direct link is here.

Sugita: I was really happy to play Takamaru.
Sakurai: I thought about having Takamaru as a player character for a second...but it's impossible.
Sugita: Takamaru....
Sakurai: Due to lack of popularity....
Sugita: Popularity, huh....I made an appearance! I made an appearance! For popularity abroad...: (In Takamaru's voice) I won't give up.

I'd say Isaac is probably a top contender. GS hasn't had a game since 2010, that probably made him a low-priority character for this game.



This does mean that Sakurai did like the idea of using Takamaru, of course. It is interesting to note. But its not any more than a footnote like Chrom was. Takamaru actually does have a chance of being playable in the next Smash, though, of course.

Sakurai has actually been interested in Takamaru since Smash 64. He's just practical.

Which has a higher possibility...The Mysterious Murasame Castle getting another entry in it's series, or Takamaru joining the fight in the next Smash Brothers?

Both are extremely unlikely (dang).

Source (Y.H email)

 

[pupNapoleon]

So the one who works at square Enix doesn't know that Geno was owned by square Enix??? I am so confused right now but alphadream said they have no problem on using him and alphadream were mostly the same people who worked on SMRPG (they were a part of square before) so are they 100% allowed if they want to use Geno and mallow in another game? Or maybe both of alphadream and square Enix can use Geno in any game if they wanted? Maybe It's possible that alphadream created Geno and mallow first in SMRPG (when they were a part of square before they made their own company and be a 2nd party for nintendo) wich might be the reason why he appeared in MLSSS

No, a service clerk representing a company does not have any authority on the actual company's inner workings and mechanics on a trivial matter.

That still doesn't explain how you changed the entire wording of the quotation that WAS posted. You literally altered the words to make it fit with what you meant.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

Here's a transcript for those of you who are interested:
Sakurai: But, you know I get requests like "Please put Goku in"
Sugita: GOKU!?
Sakurai: "Please put Spongebob"
Sugita: SPONGEBOB?!
Sakurai: That's impossible.
Sugita: Spongebob's games are only sold abroad!
Sakurai: That's right
Sugita: The really energetic, yellow square right?
Sakurai: Yes.
Sugita: Even Spongebob...
Sakurai: Well, those kinds of requests are pretty common.
Sugita: What about Yukawasen*, or Segata Sanshiro?
Sakurai: (laughs)
Sugita: ...well I'm glad Sonic's in.
Sakurai: That's the point of Mii Fighters

*I can't understand this name for the life of me. The direct link is here.

Sugita: I was really happy to play Takamaru.
Sakurai: I thought about having Takamaru as a player character for a second...but it's impossible.
Sugita: Takamaru....
Sakurai: Due to lack of popularity....
Sugita: Popularity, huh....I made an appearance! I made an appearance! For popularity abroad...: (In Takamaru's voice) I won't give up.



Sakurai has actually been interested in Takamaru since Smash 64. He's just practical.

Source (Y.H email)

Thank you! I like how he says that Takamaru being playable is impossible right after talking about how characters like Goku and Spongebob are impossible. Goku and Spongebob confirmed to be s likely as Takamaru!

 

[Geno Boost]

No, a service clerk representing a company does not have any authority on the actual company's inner workings and mechanics on a trivial matter.

That still doesn't explain how you changed the entire wording of the quotation that WAS posted. You literally altered the words to make it fit with what you meant.

so how could Geno and mallow appears in super mario-kun manga (japaness mario comics that appeared since 1991 to 2014) if you think they are owned square enix? there wasnt a volume about mario sports mix or fortune street wich feature final fantasy and dragon quest characters but how did Geno and mallow appeared there

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Oh dear god, not this again.

There is nothing going on with Geno right now, and hasn't been ever since he made a GUEST APPEARANCE in Superstar Saga. He's not going anywhere, especially not to Smash or Nintendo.

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

So I'm just popping in to ask if DLC characters after Mewtwo were actually a valid possibility? I thought they were pretty much de-confirmed by Sakurai himself, or rather, that he said additional "premium DLC" (presumably paid DLC) was not being planned.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

So I'm just popping in to ask if DLC characters after Mewtwo were actually a valid possibility? I thought they were pretty much de-confirmed by Sakurai himself, or rather, that he said additional "premium DLC" (presumably paid DLC) was not being planned.

We just heard from Sakurai that it's a possibility that we'd get more DLC, but it depends on how popular Mewtwo will be.

 

[Dastardly Ridleylash]

So I'm just popping in to ask if DLC characters after Mewtwo were actually a valid possibility? I thought they were pretty much de-confirmed by Sakurai himself, or rather, that he said additional "premium DLC" (presumably paid DLC) was not being planned.

Premium DLC =/= All DLC. He (or whoever spearheads the series after him) could always do more free DLC at later dates, presumably of other highly-requested characters (like K.Rool or, Miyamoto forbid, Ridley).

EDIT: Ninja'd by CliffJumper.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

http://www.purebreak.com.br/noticia...gem-mewtwo-e-incluido-atraves-de-um-dlc/12682

(Its no different news from the 21st)

I just posted this for that banner picture


Man i wish that was a real banner picture.

 

[Kenith]

So I'm just popping in to ask if DLC characters after Mewtwo were actually a valid possibility? I thought they were pretty much de-confirmed by Sakurai himself, or rather, that he said additional "premium DLC" (presumably paid DLC) was not being planned.

The general consensus is: WOLF LUCAS ICE CLIMBERS CAPTAIN TOAD DIXIE KONG IMPA ALTERNATE COSTUMES POKE FLOATS PLZ PLZ PLZ
My take pretty much builds off what we already know: Mewtwo is going to test how well DLC could perform, and if it does well, we'll probably get more. Honestly, if Sakurai stops directly supporting the game after Mewtwo, then DLC might be made much more likely, or nearly impossible.
Imo it's relatively likely that cut characters will be added through DLC, however newcomers are about 50/50.

 

[Spazzy_D]

The general consensus is: WOLF LUCAS ICE CLIMBERS CAPTAIN TOAD DIXIE KONG IMPA ALTERNATE COSTUMES POKE FLOATS PLZ PLZ PLZ
My take pretty much builds off what we already know: Mewtwo is going to test how well DLC could perform, and if it does well, we'll probably get more. Honestly, if Sakurai stops directly supporting the game after Mewtwo, then DLC might be made much more likely, or nearly impossible.
Imo it's relatively likely that cut characters will be added through DLC, however newcomers are about 50/50.

I've always thought vets and semi-clones would be likely due to bundles and the nature of DLC vs. main game content. I could see one or two true newcomers show up depending on how DLC is handled, but I think most new character concepts are better left for Smash 5.

This is all conjecture and opinion, however. The actual fact of the matter is that no one really knows at this point.

So the one who works at square Enix doesn't know that Geno was owned by square Enix??? I am so confused right now but alphadream said they have no problem on using him and alphadream were mostly the same people who worked on SMRPG (they were a part of square before) so are they 100% allowed if they want to use Geno and mallow in another game? Or maybe both of alphadream and square Enix can use Geno in any game if they wanted? Maybe It's possible that alphadream created Geno and mallow first in SMRPG (when they were a part of square before they made their own company and be a 2nd party for nintendo) wich might be the reason why he appeared in MLSSS

Credits from Mario & Luigi Superstar Saga. End of story.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Credits from Mario & Luigi Superstar Saga. End of story.

Obligatory "we're not in 2003 anymore," incoming.

But yeah, Geno is, and has been, out of the running for smash. Shame really, he is pretty unique but at this point anyone is more likely, even Bomberman.

 

[Spazzy_D]

Obligatory "we're not in 2003 anymore," incoming.

But yeah, Geno is, and has been, out of the running for smash. Shame really, he is pretty unique but at this point anyone is more likely, even Bomberman.

The original copyright was issued from 1996 until 2016 and is therefore still in effect.

http://iprs.cbp.gov/index.asp?action=detail&id=8586&searchArg=super+mario+r.p.g.&page=1

 

[random rendum]

dlc is likely why not put in dlc for arguably the wii u's biggest game? Mario kart 8 gets it why not smash? characters like krool,dixie,inklings,captain toad, the vets,paper mario,bandana dee,isaac,wario rep,rhythm heaven rep,etc. are pretty deserving
some of these I dont care about and I think a lot of characters deserve to be in smash

 

[Geno Boost]

The original copyright was issued from 1996 until 2016 and is therefore still in effect.

http://iprs.cbp.gov/index.asp?action=detail&id=8586&searchArg=super mario r.p.g.&page=1

But it's talking about the game but not about the characters in the game or am I wrong?

 

[JaidynReiman]

But it's talking about the game but not about the characters in the game or am I wrong?

That's everything in the game not already an established Intellectual Property of Nintendo. AKA, everything in that game which did not exist prior is co-owned by Square Enix. Of course you're going to try and make up some excuse as to why it doesn't matter so I don't know why anyone is bothering to argue with you about it anymore.

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

The general consensus is: WOLF LUCAS ICE CLIMBERS CAPTAIN TOAD DIXIE KONG IMPA ALTERNATE COSTUMES POKE FLOATS PLZ PLZ PLZ
My take pretty much builds off what we already know: Mewtwo is going to test how well DLC could perform, and if it does well, we'll probably get more. Honestly, if Sakurai stops directly supporting the game after Mewtwo, then DLC might be made much more likely, or nearly impossible.
Imo it's relatively likely that cut characters will be added through DLC, however newcomers are about 50/50.

Why those specific three newcomers?

I mean the veterans seem somewhat likely, although I heard the ICs were cut because of technical issues rather than by choice, but I'm somehow doubtful that we'll get any newcomers. At this point I'll just hope and pray with all of my very soul, that Lucas is DLC, and I beseech all of you and all your friends to BUY MEWTWO.

Not that I needed to beseech anyone, I mean... It's Mewtwo... Of course he's gonna be popular LOL.

 

[Arcadenik]

Oh dear god, not this again.

There is nothing going on with Geno right now, and hasn't been ever since he made a GUEST APPEARANCE in Superstar Saga. He's not going anywhere, especially not to Smash or Nintendo.

Or Square Enix for that matter.

 

[Deleted member]

*Sigh* I'd rather seriously talk about Goku (the DBZ one, not Nintendo's Yuyuki one) at this point than ****in' Geno and the same tired "AlphaDream owns him" bull....

 

[Spazzy_D]

*Sigh* I'd rather seriously talk about Goku (the DBZ one, not Nintendo's Yuyuki one) at this point than ****in' Geno and the same tired "AlphaDream owns him" bull....

He clearly is not though. (I know that's not what you're staying, but still.)

But it's talking about the game but not about the characters in the game or am I wrong?

There are zero derivative copyrights filed for Geno or any of the other original characters from Super Mario RPG. They therefore all fall under the same copy right as the game itself, and according to the contract Nintendo made with Square at the time, Sqaure owns all original characters. This is proven by the fact that Sqaure-Enix is listed as his copyright holder in 2003. The only existing copyright at the time was the copyright on the game itself, and that copy right still exists and is in effect.

Anyway, I don't care about Geno one way or another. If Sqaure-Enix ever gets a rep in we might see him as an assist trophy or something.

 

[Arcadenik]

I don't want Geno to be in Smash unless Mallow is in Smash too... it's a package deal for me, both or nothing.

 

[Spazzy_D]

I don't want Geno to be in Smash unless Mallow is in Smash too... it's a package deal for me, both or nothing.

If Nintendo ever acquired the character I would love to see Geno spun off in his own series that has very little to nothing to do with Mario. He seems like the perfect character for a Nintendo made third person shooter.

Mallow is pretty cool, but Mallo > Mallow.

 

[JaidynReiman]

He clearly is not though. (I know that's not what you're staying, but still.)



There are zero derivative copyrights filed for Geno or any of the other original characters from Super Mario RPG. They therefore all fall under the same copy right as the game itself, and according to the contract Nintendo made with Square at the time, Sqaure owns all original characters. This is proven by the fact that Sqaure-Enix is listed as his copyright holder in 2003. The only existing copyright at the time was the copyright on the game itself, and that copy right still exists and is in effect.

Anyway, I don't care about Geno one way or another. If Sqaure-Enix ever gets a rep in we might see him as an assist trophy or something.

On that note I'd also like to add that this copyright filing does not mean that the rights shift after the copyright expires, because this is merely an official filing and copyright exists regardless of whether you officially filed a copyright claim or not. The rights will still remain wherever they are even after this expires, the only difference is that without being officially filed copyright claims are a tad bit harder to confirm.

 

[Kenith]

*Sigh* I'd rather seriously talk about Goku (the DBZ one, not Nintendo's Yuyuki one) at this point than ****in' Geno and the same tired "AlphaDream owns him" bull....

So, who would you say is more likely then, Goku or Geno?

 

[Deleted member]

So, who would you say is more likely then, Goku or Geno?

At the risk of starting controversy, I'd honestly say Goku.

That's how low of a chance I see Geno.

 

[pupNapoleon]

so how could Geno and mallow appears in super mario-kun manga (japaness mario comics that appeared since 1991 to 2014) if you think they are owned square enix? there wasnt a volume about mario sports mix or fortune street wich feature final fantasy and dragon quest characters but how did Geno and mallow appeared there

With permission.

Your lack of comprehension in this is astonishingly baffling.

So, who would you say is more likely then, Goku or Geno?

I'd say Jumpman, a non-Jumping Captain Toad, Ridley, and Ice Climbers.

 

[AEMehr]

Ice Climbers.

Ow, that one hurt.

 

[Kenith]

At the risk of starting controversy, I'd honestly say Goku.

That's how low of a chance I see Geno.

At the risk of instigating the controversy you started, I will agree.
Even if he was owned by Nintendo, there's still the fact he's from a comparatively obscure Mario RPG where he isn't even the focus.
If Mario RPGS were being considered for a character we would get Paper Mario or Fawful before him.

 

[FalKoopa]

Why was Geno so popular in the first place anyway? I never understood that.

 

[Kenith]

I'd say Jumpman, a non-Jumping Captain Toad, Ridley, and Ice Climbers.

I said "then" not "than".
But you have a point?

Why was Geno so popular in the first place anyway? I never understood that.

The only reason I like him is because he's awesome in Smash Kingdom.

 

[Geno Boost]

At the risk of instigating the controversy you started, I will agree.
Even if he was owned by Nintendo, there's still the fact he's from a comparatively obscure Mario RPG where he isn't even the focus.
If Mario RPGS were being considered for a character we would get Paper Mario or Fawful before him.

No way. SMRPG started Mario and luigi seires and paper Mario seires and this game was more important to Nintendo than those 2 seires we should get a character from SMRPG before we get fawful or paper Mario

 

[Kalimdori]

No way. SMRPG started Mario and luigi seires and paper Mario seires and this game was more important to Nintendo than those 2 seires we should get a character from SMRPG before we get fawful or paper Mario

Yup. That game was definitely more important to Nintendo! That's why they continued supporting it instead of the Paper Mario and Mario and Luigi games!

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