Character Discussion Thread

[Parallel_Falchion]

No one intelligent will purchase the Wii U version (after the 3DS version) unless they are dedicated fans... the problem is that it does not only need to sell the same game twice, it has to sell the console too.

Well, I'll be getting both versions. 3DS for personal use, Wii U for HD glory and playing with friends and family who come over.

I do agree with the Wii U version seeming to not have much to offer at the moment, though.

 

[FalconFire93]

Thank you for the ; that is ungodly easy. I thought I would need to go into classic mode to unlock them faster. 120 matches? It will only take a little over two hours to get everyone. That being said, I might hop into Classic mode as Link to unlock Ganondorf first. If it works like that.

You're welcome

 

[JaidynReiman]

I had that feeling as well. Yes the roster has some good characters, but the organization of the CSS leaves me wondering. It's organized chaos, but the clones have always been with their franchises.

I'm betting its one of two things:

1.) Some characters were cut because they couldn't finish them. I'd bet if any characters were cut, they'll be released as DLC later.

2.) The clones were last-minute additions, and putting them with their franchises would mess up the roster.


If #1 is correct, #2 is still valid, except that with #1 the missing characters sliding into the roster would fix the alignment, allowing the clone characters to fit with their franchises. I do not believe the "clone characters" replaced any cut characters, though. They were probably planned together, but the cut characters prevented them from fitting everything properly.

umm...more stages? more modes? more trophies? more items/AT, more everything? You really think the wii u version will not have additional content?

Let's not forget the soundtrack you get for registering both games on club nintendo

The problem is, that's not enough, and even then, if the Wii U version HAS more content, it'll make the 3DS version look HORRIBLY bad. Sakurai said that the two versions would have about the same amount of content. The 3DS is EXTREMELY lacking in content. Even without Smash Run and Target Smash, just adding Adventure Mode and Event Matches gives the Wii U version FAR, FAR more content as a whole.


In my personal opinion, the only modes that should be differ between the two are Adventure Mode (Wii U) and Smash Run (3DS). The 3DS version should get Target Smash and Event Matches, as well as more Challenges, and the Wii U version should get all the new modes in the 3DS version (not much, really) except Smash Run.


AT's are almost identical between versions, as well. If the Wii U has more AT's, it's only going to be about 2-4 or so. The stage count and items should also be about the same between versions.

EDIT: The only thing the Wii U version should get more of as a whole is music, and we know this is the case. This is the one thing we know of for a 100% fact that the Wii U version is getting that the 3DS version is not.

 

[Masonomace]

I Updated My Roster:
Blue: Starter
Red: Unlockable
Yellow: Amiibo Exclusive

I can roll with this roster, if this is foreshadowing the future roster. My main reason why I replied is this:

Where's Yarn Yoshi & Splatoon for the Amiibo? Mostly Yarn Yoshi<3

 

[FalconFire93]

I have the demo, but I gave the rest of the codes to my friends, sorry about that

 

[Kenith]

Does anyone know the Classic Mode unlock criteria for the characters?

 

[SuperNintendoKid]

Does anyone know the Classic Mode unlock criteria for the characters?

i know only two:
Falco is just playing classic
Bowser jr. is playing classic as Bowser on 7.0 without continuing

 

[MagnesD3]

Of course, of course; however, Wolf is already gone. I am just trying to mitigate the loss. To be utterly honest, I was not a fan of Wolf in Brawl. I thought that that move-set was lacking to say the least, I did not become a fan of his play-style until Project M where they fixed his design with the eye-patch costume and his move-set by making it more cohesive. In that way, if I want to play Wolf (Lucas, Ice Climbers, or Snake) again, Smash 4 is not the game for that.

Well I want to play as wolf in this engine with glorious hd, as well as seeing the buffs it nerfs he would receive. Instead I am left with misery.

 

[Pakky]

I had that feeling as well. Yes the roster has some good characters, but the organization of the CSS leaves me wondering. It's organized chaos, but the clones have always been with their franchises.

Me too, the roster screen is well, looks like something I would have made in my high school days very botched looking. In fact funny enough I was lead to believe that is was fake or a test build before everything finalized. The roster itself is great, I even love Duck Hunt Dog, I am disgusted by Black/Dark Pit/Pittoo but he was a re-accruing character in Uprising so I guess I understand his inclusion. Dr.Mario... wow, man I played Melee as a kid but man this is the hard one for me to accept, I know Melee guys like him but oh lawdy this pill is hard to swallow.

Pacman I rooted for, I have very little knowledge about Chorm but he seems really cool. All other improvements I applaud though especially the Sonic buffs, and of course I love Megaman, and the other new comers.

Now for more things that upset me:

-Mewtwo's absence

There once was a remake of the first generation games of Pokemon called Fire Red and Leaf Green, as is its custom Mewtwo was the last "boss" of that game. There then was a remake of the second generation games called Heart Gold and Soul Sliver, Mewtwo surprising gained a role as being a final boss in those games as well where as in the originals he wasn't. Then There were Black/White and B&W2 and surprising completely out of the blue it was given the signature move Psystrike. Then In the spin-off game known as Pokemon Conquest he was advertised as the white war lord's highest level Pokemon if I'm not mistaken. There then was a movie staring FemTwo (Mewtwo with a female voice) and it could mega evolve into Mega Mewtwo Y this was before the concept of mega evolution was even official. Then there was a four part Pokemon series called Pokemon Origins which told the story of the first generation games, and as is tradition Mewtwo was the last "boss" in that series. Then in Pokemon X&Y it gained the the title of "secret boss" along side Zygarde and is one of two Pokemon out of 721 monsters to have two mega evolutions. After that there was a mega evolution special that featured both X&Y forms of Mewtwo very quickly towards the end. Needless to say Gamefreak has made it their business to keep Mewtwo very obtainable ever since the third generation and has given it a lot of publicity in these past two years. After all that time its exclusion from smash crushes me a bit, it really does, Project M gave me hope and so does DLC but man its hard.


-Ridely

Why? Why would you even tease him? I understand it was in a "boss like format" but what's the point of not even mentioning him by name? Why could you have just showed him? Then he grabs Pikachu for some reason, why? This a lot of trouble to go through to troll. Let's face it the only other character from Metroid that matters is maybe Dark Samus, otherwise Rundas and all those characters from Prime 3 don't matter to the franchise at all. Ridely has been if not every, most of the games in the franchise and has a deep and enduring personal connection with the main character.


- more clone talk

I wouldn't have mind King Hippo not at all but why is Gana still a clone? Swords, tridents, twin blades, magic, ect. Why would you even make him a clone of Falcon? Why, do you continue to do this? Lucina, you know I'm not mad, for those who like her, cool.

-The Wii U version

Okay I'm saying it, please don't go the Playstation All Stars route Nintendo, please god, no please god. The game for both systems this is a death blow. We love the WiiU and we want it to succeed, so please Nintendo don't make me withdraw my dollar, make me want both because this is getting very hard right now. I love Smash I played the N64 version (Never owned it ) please make good on your promise and make this connectivity thing or the version itself worth looking into.

Sorry for ramblings I needed to get some of that out.

 

[xXShadeXx]

Does anyone know the Classic Mode unlock criteria for the characters?

Ganandorf - Classic with Link
Dr. Mario - Classic with Mario
Duck Hunt Dog - Classic with Mii (I think)
Game and Watch - Classic with Duck Hunt I think
Lucina - Classic with Marth (and possibly Ike, dunno)
Falco - Beat Classic Once
Ness - Beat Classic Twice
Dark Pit - Beat Classic 3 Times

I'm guessing R.O.B could be beating classic with Game and Watch, I'm not sure
Bowser Jr. was answered above - Classic with Bowser at 7.0 without continues
Not sure about Wario

I think Falco, Ness, and Dark Pit need to be unlocked first before trying to get anyone else. Don't quote me on it,

 

[Weeman]

Well it's official, Plautena is this game's Meta Knight

 

[SuperNintendoKid]

Well it's official, Plautena is this game's Meta Knight

i thought that was villager

 

[shinhed-echi]

Am I the only one that did not feel "teased" about Ridley?

At least not in the way most people say they were teased.
To me it was sort of like:
"Hey look, SOMEBODY will appear in this stage, (and obviously,) in this mode."
I mean... Sakurai was even talking about stage hazards at that point, if I recall correctly.


The only "official" Sakurai hints that I know of are: The Boxing Ring when it was generic, and Dark Pit (which I admit, I was wrong about.. because logically, it made no sense to me (and it still doesn't) that a color swap would deserve its own slot). Maybe Mr.G&W's cameo at the end of Pacman's tráiler counts.. or that was just a dead, straight up giveaway.
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As for best characters overall, I think adaptable characters, or characters with the most choices will be the ones that perform better. with his range, and ability to change his stats mid-battle will allow him to adapt to almost anything. has some SERIOUS hitboxes there.

 

[Spinosaurus]

If you think about it hard enough everything is a tease.

 

[~Krystal~]

Me too, the roster screen is well, looks like something I would have made in my high school days very botched looking. In fact funny enough I was lead to believe that is was fake or a test build before everything finalized. The roster itself is great, I even love Duck Hunt Dog, I am disgusted by Black/Dark Pit/Pittoo but he was a re-accruing character in Uprising so I guess I understand his inclusion. Dr.Mario... wow, man I played Melee as a kid but man this is the hard one for me to accept, I know Melee guys like him but oh lawdy this pill is hard to swallow.

Nice one!

-Mewtwo's absence

There once was a remake of the first generation games of Pokemon called Fire Red and Leaf Green, as is its custom Mewtwo was the last "boss" of that game. There then was a remake of the second generation games called Heart Gold and Soul Sliver, Mewtwo surprising gained a role as being a final boss in those games as well where as in the originals he wasn't. Then There were Black/White and B&W2 and surprising completely out of the blue it was given the signature move Psystrike. Then In the spin-off game known as Pokemon Conquest he was advertised as the white war lord's highest level Pokemon if I'm not mistaken. There then was a movie staring FemTwo (Mewtwo with a female voice) and it could mega evolve into Mega Mewtwo Y this was before the concept of mega evolution was even official. Then there was a four part Pokemon series called Pokemon Origins which told the story of the first generation games, and as is tradition Mewtwo was the last "boss" in that series. Then in Pokemon X&Y it gained the the title of "secret boss" along side Zygarde and is one of two Pokemon out of 721 monsters to have two mega evolutions. After that there was a mega evolution special that featured both X&Y forms of Mewtwo very quickly towards the end. Needless to say Gamefreak has made it their business to keep Mewtwo very obtainable ever since the third generation and has given it a lot of publicity in these past two years. After all that time its exclusion from smash crushes me a bit, it really does, Project M gave me hope and so does DLC but man its hard.

Yeah, at least you'll have him on Project M. It'll be a cold day in hell before I see Krystal in that mod.

-Ridely

Why? Why would you even tease him? I understand it was in a "boss like format" but what's the point of not even mentioning him by name? Why could you have just showed him? Then he grabs Pikachu for some reason, why? This a lot of trouble to go through to troll. Let's face it the only other character from Metroid that matters is maybe Dark Samus, otherwise Rundas and all those characters from Prime 3 don't matter to the franchise at all. Ridely has been if not every, most of the games in the franchise and has a deep and enduring personal connection with the main character.

When the Wii U expands on Pyrosphere, the book should be closed on Ridley. I figured him to have a 50/50 chance, because it's very odd to tease a stage boss of all things. With his fate pretty much sealed, brace yourself for the Earth-shattering announcement that there will be a playable boss mode. You see? Sakurai did remember Ridley fans after all.

- more clone talk

I wouldn't have mind King Hippo not at all but why is Gana still a clone? Swords, tridents, twin blades, magic, ect. Why would you even make him a clone of Falcon? Why, do you continue to do this? Lucina, you know I'm not mad, for those who like her, cool.

Kid you not, I am now convinced that Sakurai is attached to Ganondorf's moveset. He's able to change and tweak specials of so many other characters, even changing the final smashes of all 3 Kirby ones, but he can't do even a moderate overhaul for Ganondorf?

-The Wii U version

Okay I'm saying it, please don't go the Playstation All Stars route Nintendo, please god, no please god. The game for both systems this is a death blow. We love the WiiU and we want it to succeed, so please Nintendo don't make me withdraw my dollar, make me want both because this is getting very hard right now. I love Smash I played the N64 version (Never owned it ) please make good on your promise and make this connectivity thing or the version itself worth looking into.

Sorry for ramblings I needed to get some of that out.

Fear not, boss mode is on the way! Cross platform connectivity need not apply!

 

[MagnesD3]

I Updated My Roster:
Blue: Starter
Red: Unlockable
Yellow: Amiibo Exclusive

There's no way in hell Krystal is getting in before wolf

 

[The Light Music Club]

Well I just unlocked Purin. How disappointing.

I really thought Greninja's trailer was a Mewtwo tease.

I also can't comprehend why Yoshi is in between the Mario characters.

 

[MagnesD3]

Well I just unlocked Purin. How disappointing.

I really thought Greninja's trailer was a Mewtwo tease.

I also can't comprehend why Yoshi is in between the Mario characters.

Nope sakurai confirmed for not caring.

 

[ImOnlyHereToTalkStarFox]

There's no way in hell Krystal is getting in before wolf

Accept the future!! >: D Im sorry Lol.. Does fox really have wolfs moves as custom moves?

 

[MagnesD3]

Accept the future!! >: D Im sorry Lol.. Does fox really have wolfs moves as custom moves?

This is currently unknown. I'll gladly take Krystal once wolf is secured as DLC.

 

[GunGunW]

I was really thinking that today the only thing that could disappoint me is if the Wii U version doesn't have an equivalent mode to Smash Run.

 

[Spinosaurus]

Nope sakurai confirmed for not caring.

I know. He even made each newcomer unique and true to their source material, so he clearly doesn't car-

OH

 

[MagnesD3]

I know. He even made each newcomer unique and true to their source material, so he clearly doesn't car-

OH

let me rephrase. Not caring about veteran fans and a majority of the fan bases roster wants. Giving certain fan bases nothing.


If those fan based get no Dlc (and they won't) it's pretty clear he doesn't give a crap

 

[Pakky]

This is currently unknown. I'll gladly take Krystal once wolf is secured as DLC.

No he cares, things just look so rushed in places though

Edit: my mistake.

But i kind of wanted both Wolf and Krystal, silly dreams

 

[MagnesD3]

No he cares, things just look so rushed in places though

Edit: my mistake.

But i kind of wanted both Wolf and Krystal, silly dreams

I wanted both as well instead starfox got -1 reps

 

[Spinosaurus]

let me rephrase. Not caring about veteran fans and a majority of the fan bases roster wants. Giving certain fan bases nothing.


If those fan based get no Dlc (and they won't) it's pretty clear he doesn't give a crap

I'd like to see you please every fan.

Or are you saying certain fans should have priority?

 

[MagnesD3]

I'd like to see you please every fan.

Or are you saying certain fans should have priority?

It's pretty easy tbh just listen, research and pay attention. Give big franchises more reps.

 

[Spinosaurus]

It's pretty easy tbh just listen, research and pay attention.

Yeah that's not how game development works.

 

[MagnesD3]

Yeah that's not how game development works.

Instead sakurai just does what he wants.

 

[Deleted member]

So, earlier I was seeing speculation that we would get characters patched in later....
When would they get patched in?

My speculation
2 character for the international 3ds release
And 2 more for the WiiU release

 

[Mr.X98]

Here's a funny thought. Many people were convinced that Bowser Jr. Was in the background of the Mega man trailer. While this was soon proven false with analysis, he is coming. Turns out they were right about him appearing though!

Also...

I am slowly staring to think that the Duck Hunt Dog is cute... Is it right to think something is cuddly and yet so hated by many? I leave that to you SmashBoards...

 

[Andinus]

To be fair, Robin is the best part of the roster.

But seriously, no praise for Dark Pit or Dr. Mario? They need to sort out their priorities!

I'm excited for Dr. Mario. I really liked playing as him in Melee. I have yet to see him in action, but is he a heavier/less agile/stronger mario still?

 

[GunGunW]

I think Dr. Mario might be my main; Mario getting his tornado back is a blessing to me.

 

[SuperNintendoKid]

I'm excited for Dr. Mario. I really liked playing as him in Melee. I have yet to see him in action, but is he a heavier/less agile/stronger mario still?

kinda, his jumping is awful and his final smash is mario finale but with pills

 

[Andinus]

kinda, his jumping is awful and his final smash is mario finale but with pills

Well I do recall his jumping in melee was inferior to mario, but I guess I will have to play it to determine how similar or different he is from the melee version.

 

[MagnesD3]

Here's a funny thought. Many people were convinced that Bowser Jr. Was in the background of the Mega man trailer. While this was soon proven false with analysis, he is coming. Turns out they were right about him appearing though!

Also...

I am slowly staring to think that the Duck Hunt Dog is cute... Is it right to think something is cuddly and yet so hated by many? I leave that to you SmashBoards...

Only silly people hate DHD. He was a solid pick, there are plenty of other things to hate on.

 

[The Light Music Club]

http://www.twitch.tv/the_light_music_club/dashboard

Talking about the game. Ask me any questions you have!

 

[roymustang1990-]

Only idiots hate DHD. He was a solid pick, there are plenty of other things to hate on.

Whoa,slow down there. So we're idiots if we have a differen opinion than yours concerning DHD? Gee,thanks a lot.

 

[N3ON]

Only idiots make mass generalizations.

 

[MagnesD3]

Whoa,slow down there. So we're idiots if we have a differen opinion than yours concerning DHD? Gee,thanks a lot.

I changed it to be less offensive

Only idiots make mass generalizations.

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