Character Discussion Thread

[ZeldaMaster]

If Mewtwo isn't in this game, then I'm seriously going to question Sakurai's process of choosing characters. At the end of the Smash Bros Direct, he even said Smash is a game where Nintendo ALL-STARS meet. If Mewtwo isn't an all-star, but characters like Robin, Wii Fit Trainer, Rosalina, and Greninja are than I don't even... Mewtwo, Charizard, and Pikachu are the MOST popular Pokemon of all time, and to to not have Mewtwo would be a huge disgrace.

 

[Morbi]

If Mewtwo isn't in this game, then I'm seriously going to question Sakurai's process of choosing characters. At the end of the Smash Bros Direct, he even said Smash is a game where Nintendo ALL-STARS meet. If Mewtwo isn't an all-star, but characters like Robin, Wii Fit Trainer, Rosalina, and Greninja are than I don't even... Mewtwo, Charizard, and Pikachu are the MOST popular Pokemon of all time, and to to not have Mewtwo would be a huge disgrace.

Let us just be honest, this is going to sound utterly pretentious... but Mewtwo is going to return. If you think otherwise, you are completely delusional.

(This is not directed at you, ZeldaMaster).

 

[ZeldaMaster]

Let us just be honest, this is going to sound utterly pretentious... but Mewtwo is going to return. If you think otherwise, you are completely delusional.

(This is not directed at you, ZeldaMaster).

Your predictions honestly make a lot of sense to me. Ever since I read that post of what newcomer you thought would be revealed for the New Fighter Intro Video, you correctly predicted no Shulk and the high possibility of a Fire Emblem character. So ever since then, I've realized that what you say makes a lot of sense.

 

[pupNapoleon]

I'd consider Mewtwo more of a shoe in for a large playable role (potentially a playable boss if that is a thing- but something that Sakurai deems very fun to the masses) for reasons mostly having to do with marketing since the game was announced.

There are some ther examples, but most notably we have Greninja's trailer. Many have pointed out that Greninja's webbing and fins were removed, and that his Shuriken were of course similar to Shadow ball. Yet, the fact that he was shown in upside down silhouette, which is a way that keeps the brain from properly registering proportions accurately, and that the entire scene takes place in a cave, absolutely screams MEWTWO. Greninja has absolutely no business being in a cave; but our first legendary spends a lot of his time there.

Sakurai is specifically trying to make his fans think of Mewtwo, in large part subconsciously, and if Mewtwo is not playable (being so highly requested), can you think of a reason he would do this? It is absolutely illogical.

 

[Gold_Jacobson]

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I'd be pretty confused about Mewtwo myself if he isn't playable. There would certainly be an uproar.

Although, they can make him DLC. But he should just be playable from the getgo anyway.

 

[False Sense]

Let us just be honest, this is going to sound utterly pretentious... but Mewtwo is going to return. If you think otherwise, you are completely delusional.

(This is not directed at you, ZeldaMaster).

Frankly, I think it's fine to think that Mewtwo may not return because we do not know for sure whether or not he's in. He may have absolutely every reason to be included, but that doesn't automatically mean that he's in. We can't justifiable go around calling people delusional for thinking Mewtwo may not be in when his fate has yet to be determined.

It didn't really end well when everyone said Robin supporters were delusional for thinking Chrom was not a shoo-in...

 

[MagnesD3]

I'd be pretty confused about Mewtwo myself if he isn't playable. There would certainly be an uproar.

Although, they can make him DLC. But he should just be playable from the getgo anyway.

Wolf should be safe as well but I'm scared :S

 

[Curious Villager]

Frankly, I think it's fine to think that Mewtwo may not return because we do not know for sure whether or not he's in. He may have absolutely every reason to be included, but that doesn't automatically mean that he's in. We can't justifiable go around calling people delusional for thinking Mewtwo may not be in when his fate has yet to be determined.

It didn't really end well when everyone said Robin supporters were delusional for thinking Chrom was not a shoo-in...

Or Toon Link supporters being "delusional" for thinking that he could still make it because Conductor Link wasn't the same character and all.....

I agree, as likely as Mewtwo is, I don't think we should really go around calling others delusional for being a bit skeptical on him. I'm sure he will likely come back but eh, sometimes things might not turn out as we'd hoped for as some supporters had to go through the hard way.....

 

[Skyblade12]

Is it just me, or is there no thread supporting Master Blaster/Sofia the 3rd?

 

[Morbi]

Or Toon Link supporters being delusional for thinking that he could still make it because Conductor Link wasn't the same character and all.

I agree, as likely as Mewtwo is, I don't think we should really go around calling others delusional for being a bit skeptical on him. I'm sure he will likely come back but eh, sometimes things might not turn out as we'd hoped for as a number of supporters had to go through the hard way.....

Honestly; it is just my opinion and I stand by it wholeheartedly. The only reason that people cite for his potential non-inclusion was his unprecedented omission from the game six years ago when he did not merit inclusion nearly as much as he does in the present. I do not find those who are "a bit skeptical" to be delusional. I find those who believe that he will not return to be delusional. There is a subtle difference.

 

[Curious Villager]

Honestly; it is just my opinion and I stand by it wholeheartedly. The only reason that people cite for his potential non-inclusion was his unprecedented omission from the game six years ago when he did not merit inclusion nearly as much as he does in the present. I do not find those who are "a bit skeptical" to be delusional. I find those who believe that he will not return to be delusional. There is a subtle difference.

Oh I see, so It's more about those who are very certain that he will definitely not make it in and stand by it, I suppose those type of people are probably a bit more on the stubborn side but okay.

 

[FlareHabanero]

I'd be pretty confused about Mewtwo myself if he isn't playable. There would certainly be an uproar.

I wouldn't be confused about Mewtwo being excluded again.

 

[False Sense]

Honestly; it is just my opinion and I stand by it wholeheartedly. The only reason that people cite for his potential non-inclusion was his unprecedented omission from the game six years ago when he did not merit inclusion nearly as much as he does in the present. I do not find those who are "a bit skeptical" to be delusional. I find those who believe that he will not return to be delusional. There is a subtle difference.

Well, yes, it is illogical to believe that it's completely impossible for a viable character choice to be playable. Even if it seems unlikely, as long as a character meets the right criteria, it's possible for that character to be included. Denying that possibility would be denying the reality of the situation.

Again, people who thought Robin was impossible found that out the hard way...

 

[True Blue Warrior]

I wouldn't be confused about Mewtwo being excluded again.

How come?

 

[Pizzanigs]

It'd be cool if there was a continuation of the Greninja trailer that featured Mewtwo. I'd like that a lot.

Do it Sakurai.

 

[queenrosetta]

Is it just me, or is there no thread supporting Master Blaster/Sofia the 3rd?

Sophia the first?

I could see her as a peach alt but don't think it's gonna happen sorry

 

[Morbi]

How come?

He was excluded once, therefore that creates a precedent. A second non-inclusion would seem justified, actually.

It'd be cool if there was a continuation of the Greninja trailer that featured Mewtwo. I'd like that a lot.

Do it Sakurai.

Mewtwo needs Greninja's webbed fingers and pelvic fin at first so that everyone believes that it is just Greninja.

 

[BluePikmin11]

How come?

It's just from a gameplay perspective that Mewtwo sucks *** so that means he can't be playable.

 

[FlareHabanero]

How come?

Well, The Pokemon Company being anal about who gets in, the backlash Mewtwo received last time he was in a Super Smash Bros. due to being very badly designed, and the amount of development time to revamp Mewtwo is dependent on whether or not the development team sees it as worth the time.

Just a reminder, developing characters isn't as easy as it sounds. You've got to consider making the model, the animations, the properties of attacks, and how it's all designed into a playstyle. That's not even including balancing or debugging, and how it becomes more daunting when the number of factors increases. Not to mention it rarely works out the first time around thanks to those factors, meaning even more adjustments are guaranteed to happen.

 

[False Sense]

It's just from a gameplay perspective that Mewtwo sucks *** so that means he can't be playable.

Well, I guess Ganondorf is going to be cut. What a pity they couldn't make him better.

 

[Morbi]

Well, I guess Ganondorf is going to be cut. What a pity they couldn't make him better.

Nah. Ganondorf is going to be cut because Sakurai does not want to declone him. It would be easier to just develop Ghirahim instead.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

Nah. Ganondorf is going to be cut because Sakurai does not want to declone him. It would be easier to just develop Ghirahim instead.

And then it's time for the uproar with Ganondorf being cut

 

[HylianHeroBigBoss]

Kinda random, but i feel like i need enjoy the time in which all fire emblem character discussion has ceased. I enjoy the characters we got, but it sure took long enough to get past it.

 

[Morbi]

Kinda random, but i feel like i need enjoy the time in which all fire emblem character discussion has ceased. I enjoy the characters we got, but it sure took long enough to get past it.

I did not even notice that most Fire Emblem discussion ceased to exist... I miss it.

So... for DLC do you guys want Roy or Chrom?! Chrom is more "relevant" but Roy is more "prominent."

 

[True Blue Warrior]

He was excluded once, therefore that creates a precedent. A second non-inclusion would seem justified, actually.


Mewtwo needs Greninja's webbed fingers and pelvic fin at first so that everyone believes that it is just Greninja.

I actually mistook you for Lordling.

I did not even notice that most Fire Emblem discussion ceased to exist... I miss it.

So... for DLC do you guys want Roy or Chrom?! Chrom is more "relevant" but Roy is more "prominent."

This isn't pre-Rosalina time anymore! Get back to the present!

Also, for the record, regardless of personal opinions on Chrom, blue hair and (green hair)>all others. There, now I said it.

 

[Autumn ♫]

I did not even notice that most Fire Emblem discussion ceased to exist... I miss it.

So... for DLC do you guys want Roy or Chrom?! Chrom is more "relevant" but Roy is more "prominent."

I honestly think that if you appear in the game in any significant way, than you're deconfirmed for DLC, so I both want and think Roy's more likely than Chrom.

 

[Pizzanigs]

I honestly think that if you appear in the game in any significant way, than you're deconfirmed for DLC, so I both want and think Roy's more likely than Chrom.

Didn't you hear about the new leak? Chrom is to be playable, with Robin as his Final Smash.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

I honestly think that if you appear in the game in any significant way, than you're deconfirmed for DLC, so I both want and think Roy's more likely than Chrom.

When Chrom joins the battle, the Chrom Einherjar takes his place as Robin's Final Smash.

Chrom Einherjar: "Shut your mouth! I'll change YOU!"

 

[HylianHeroBigBoss]

So... for DLC do you guys want Roy or Chrom?! Chrom is more "relevant" but Roy is more "prominent."

i knew it was too good to be true

 

[AEMehr]

Kinda random, but i feel like i need enjoy the time in which all fire emblem character discussion has ceased. I enjoy the characters we got, but it sure took long enough to get past it.

Yes, it was replaced by the Dark Pit discussion.

Not sure if that's a plus or not though.

 

[Pizzanigs]

I personally love the inclusion of Robin, though. I remember when a lot of Fire Emblem fans added him/her to their rosters and they themselves admitted that his/her chance was slim. Imagine their reaction to Robin's trailer. :')

 

[FlareHabanero]

So... for DLC do you guys want Roy or Chrom?! Chrom is more "relevant" but Roy is more "prominent."

A waste of time, and a waste of time.

Vivid choices.

 

[False Sense]

I personally love the inclusion of Robin, though. I remember when a lot of Fire Emblem fans added him/her to their rosters and they themselves admitted that his/her chance was slim. Imagine their reaction to Robin's trailer. :')

Most Robin supporters were completely and utterly ecstatic when he/she was revealed. Not just for the fact that they're supposedly "impossible" character made it in, but also because it finally proved that the Gematsu leak was not absolute.

It was a good day.

 

[Morbi]

Yes, it was replaced by the Dark Pit discussion.

Not sure if that's a plus or not though.

Dark Pit discussion is better because we can just focus on one character instead of evaluating our preferences regarding two notable choices and half a dozen implausible choices.

 

[JaidynReiman]

I did not even notice that most Fire Emblem discussion ceased to exist... I miss it.

So... for DLC do you guys want Roy or Chrom?! Chrom is more "relevant" but Roy is more "prominent."

Neither. Leif would be better by far, although I doubt we'd get any of them.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

A waste of time, and a waste of time.

Vivid choices.

Agreed. Chrom can be a Luigified Ike and Roy can be Luigified from Marth as well. Why use just one metaphorical slot on either one of them when you can use two?

i knew it was too good to be true

But discussing Roy vs Chrom is meaningful and important for DLC discussions!

 

[FalKoopa]

The best choice for Fire Emblem DLC is unfortunately an Assist Trophy.

For serious though, with two FE newcomers, Fire Emblem DLC is probably the last thing on the dev team's mind.

 

[Frostwraith]

Indeed, I am glad FE discussions are over. The characters we have now are pretty good choices.

Even the FE character discussion thread hasn't got a single post since the Robin and Lucina reveal.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

I wonder how FE discussions would be like for the next Smash game, assuming Roy returns as a DLC character for Smash 4.