I can't imagine this would be the venue chosen to reveal Ganondorf of all characters when HW is coming out next month in Japan with old Ganny being the last Zelda veteran plausible to use as a tie-in promotion.
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Even better is if they announced Ganondorf getting a new moveset! They can announce Ganondorf officially for Hyrule Warriors, and announce Ganondorf's return for Smash Bros. with a new moveset in the same Nintendo Direct. :DI can't imagine this would be the venue chosen to reveal Ganondorf of all characters when HW is coming out next month in Japan with old Ganny being the last Zelda veteran plausible to use as a tie-in promotion.
I kinda doubt it. When Nintendo accidentally leaked a few character pre brawl they left them as hidden. I don't see why they'd change whatever order they were going to reveal the characters in just because of a little slip, especially of a character no one doubts is returning.What should get revealed because it's been blatantly confirmed by Nintendo now hopefully is Wario.
If they didn't revamp Ganon's moveset for brawl why do you think they're going to do it for Sm4sh? I feel like he's just going to get a little more Luigified, if anything.Even better is if they announced Ganondorf getting a new moveset! They can announce Ganondorf officially for Hyrule Warriors, and announce Ganondorf's return for Smash Bros. with a new moveset in the same Nintendo Direct. :D
They revamped Bowser, Pit and Zero Suit Samus... They are not even clones.If they didn't revamp Ganon's moveset for brawl why do you think they're going to do it for Sm4sh? I feel like he's just going to get a little more Luigified, if anything.
Those weren't what I meant by revamp, those were Luigifications. A lot of their movements are still the same. Pit got his specials re-worked to fit his new game, and a few changes in standard attacks. Bowser got some new standard moves. Zero suit samus got a new up b.They revamped Bowser, Pit and Zero Suit Samus... They are not even clones.
I kind of just wish they would. It's annoying to know character X is in the game, but you don't get to see any artwork or images of the character in action, no matter how obvious it was they were returning.I kinda doubt it. When Nintendo accidentally leaked a few character pre brawl they left them as hidden. I don't see why they'd change whatever order they were going to reveal the characters in just because of a little slip, especially of a character no one doubts is returning.
If Wario gets revealed this weekend, it would've been already planned, imo.
Anyway, I think the chances of Gannondorf not be revamped are the same of Mewtwo not returning.Those weren't what I meant by revamp, those were Luigifications. A lot of their movements are still the same. Pit got his specials re-worked to fit his new game, and a few changes in standard attacks. Bowser got some new standard moves. Zero suit samus got a new up b.
From Melee to Brawl, Ganondorf got some of his standard moves changed, and his side b got revamped as well. If that's what you guys mean by revamp, I could see it happening. Entirely new moveset though? I kinda doubt it.
And his sword is such a damn tease, too, xD. No, I think it'd be really cool to see him with a more iconic set of moves. But then I'd miss the batmobile(Down B), Natzi Stomp (down air), and Suicide Pact (side B). Those moves have become iconic in their own way, to smash. Sure, they could do the black shadow/ganon thing, but that feel more like a pipe dream concocted by the PM team than anything else. But, hey, we got Robin, so I guess it's possible xDI kind of just wish they would. It's annoying to know character X is in the game, but you don't get to see any artwork or images of the character in action, no matter how obvious it was they were returning.
Yeesh, that negative about Mewtwo's chances?Anyway, I think the chances of Gannondorf not be revamped are the same of Mewtwo not returning.
And uh, what exactly are those chances? My guess is 0%Anyway, I think the chances of Gannondorf not be revamped are the same of Mewtwo not returning.
I'd say the only hope for this rests on Zelda not getting a newcomer and Sakurai taking that energy to fully de-clone Ganondorf. I'm not going to hold my breath for that though.I think Ganondorf could get a new moveset, but I don't know how likely it is.
Think of it as old Ganondorf getting cut and being replace by a brand new character.
Who is also Ganondorf.
Both are definitely a lot more likely than that.And uh, what exactly are those chances? My guess is 0%
Not necessarily entirely new, he may keep a few old moves, but at least having most of his moves changes to fit him. His standard special should be his ball of light blast that stuns opponents if it hits, complete with tennis match, he should use either a sword, dual swords, or a trident for a few attacks, and rely heavily on his dark magic for other attacks.Those weren't what I meant by revamp, those were Luigifications. A lot of their movements are still the same. Pit got his specials re-worked to fit his new game, and a few changes in standard attacks. Bowser got some new standard moves. Zero suit samus got a new up b.
From Melee to Brawl, Ganondorf got some of his standard moves changed, and his side b got revamped as well. If that's what you guys mean by revamp, I could see it happening. Entirely new moveset though? I kinda doubt it.
The chance of that happening I think is far more likely than Zelda getting a newcomer. Far more people want a GOOD Ganondorf that respects his original fighting style than a new Zelda character.I think Ganondorf could get a new moveset, but I don't know how likely it is.
Think of it as old Ganondorf getting cut and being replace by a brand new character.
Who is also Ganondorf.
I don't expect a Zelda newcomer, actually. I think Sakurai would be well aware that with the time and effort he can spend on a Zelda newcomer, he'd realize that a revamped Ganondorf would please people far more.I'd say the only hope for this rests on Zelda not getting a newcomer and Sakurai taking that energy to fully de-clone Ganondorf. I'm not going to hold my breath for that though.
Maybe I didn't say it very well, but the part I'm not expecting is Sakurai to give Ganondorf a full revamp whether or not a Zelda newcomer. I'm not expecting we'll get a newcomer either.I don't expect a Zelda newcomer, actually. I think Sakurai would be well aware that with the time and effort he can spend on a Zelda newcomer, he'd realize that a revamped Ganondorf would please people far more.
I thought he specified it was for record keeping purposes? I can't remember where, but I coulda sworn I heard something about that. I might be confusing this with what he said about making Lucina separate, but even if I am that same logic could be applied to both places.Sakurai seems far too intent on adhering to tradition and not shaking things much up as far as vets go. Even with the reasons he gave I think the only actual reason the transformation characters got broken up was due to technical limitations, if he could've kept them as they were I'd guess he probably would've.
I could see him getting a few changes, but I don't think it'll be something as big as a completely new special attack. Maybe some different animations on the tilts, smashes, or aerials, but I don't see it going much further than that.Not necessarily entirely new, he may keep a few old moves, but at least having most of his moves changes to fit him. His standard special should be his ball of light blast that stuns opponents if it hits, complete with tennis match, he should use either a sword, dual swords, or a trident for a few attacks, and rely heavily on his dark magic for other attacks.
He didn't reveal Ganondorf in Brawl until after the game came out in NA. You know how much he was changed there.Don't get how people think Ganondorf isn't getting a revamped move set. He hasn't revealed Ganondorf since. Something is up. Unless a Zelda newcomer is in. There's no way Sakurai would keep Ganondorf as a clone in 3 games.
Now this I can see happening. Sakurai seems to have recognized the crap some of the lower tier characters were getting, and has been revamping quite well, as we can see from yesterday's tournament. I can see Ganondorf buffed. revamped? doubtful. Changed for the better? probable.Ganondorf will at the very least be fixed. So whether they make him faster and stronger, he will be different.
To me is positive.Yeesh, that negative about Mewtwo's chances?
Ganondorf wasn't announced before release in the past two games. Granted... Toon Link was announced, so I suppose its possible that he could be saving Ganondorf.Don't get how people think Ganondorf isn't getting a revamped move set. He hasn't revealed Ganondorf since. Something is up. Unless a Zelda newcomer is in. There's no way Sakurai would keep Ganondorf as a clone in 3 games.
Frankly this kind of argument also helps K. Rool. The only thing against K. Rool is he hasn't appeared in the most recent DK games, which is the same thing with Ganondorf, despite both being the main antagonists of their respective franchises.Ganondorf will at the very least be fixed. So whether they make him faster and stronger, he will be different.
I do feel like he'll get at least a few new moves. Or something. If Namco looks at Ganondorf and they're like "NAOPE. HE'S GOOD", then that's a problem. Although I don't think that will happen. I think for sure he'll be a little faster like his Melee version, and if Bowser's strength is any indication, Ganondorf will be real strong. The real question is what will happen with his moveset.
But please, don't be one of those people who cuts him because "HE'S NOT RELEVANT". Oh really? GANONDORF of all characters isn't relevant? COME ON.
I mean at least Ganondorf would be in the game.To me is positive.
The outcry in both situations to me is the same.
I would say the outcry for Mewtwo's inclusion is a lot bigger than for Ganondorf being revamped. People don't pay Ganon as much attention because he wasn't unceremoniously cut.To me is positive.
The outcry in both situations to me is the same.
Yeah, I think that was the reason he gave for clones and semi-clones, not separating transformation characters.I thought he specified it was for record keeping purposes? I can't remember where, but I coulda sworn I heard something about that. I might be confusing this with what he said about making Lucina separate, but even if I am that same logic could be applied to both places.
He hasn't announced Ness yet either, but I very much doubt much has changed with him. He didn't reveal Captain Falcon until recently and he looks pretty similar to how he's always been...Don't get how people think Ganondorf isn't getting a revamped move set. He hasn't revealed Ganondorf since. Something is up. Unless a Zelda newcomer is in. There's no way Sakurai would keep Ganondorf as a clone in 3 games.
Yep, I went back to it, he said something about if there are any differences in statistics between characters they get different slots because of battle records.Yeah, I think that was the reason he gave for clones and semi-clones, not separating transformation characters.
That reason was balance-related, though I don't believe that's the actual reason.
Please be a Villains trailer! Oh please be a Villains trailer!So Bill Trinen sent out this tweet maybe a zelda character or maybe its nothing?
https://twitter.com/trintran/status/493054186896904193
But Ness was never a clone, miss. At least he wasn't considered a clone till Lucas was confirmed in Brawl. All Ness is missing in his move set is his PK Rockin Final Smash. PK Starstorm was the only mistake. That could have been left for Lucas. It should be understandable if Ness and Lucas need to borrow PSI moves from Paula and Kumatora. It was smart on Sakurai's part to not let PSI moves go to waste.Yeah, I think that was the reason he gave for clones and semi-clones, not separating transformation characters.
That reason was balance-related, though I don't believe that's the actual reason.
He hasn't announced Ness yet either, but I very much doubt much has changed with him. He didn't reveal Captain Falcon until recently and he looks pretty similar to how he's always been...
I think there's a very good chance Ganondorf will only receive a few changes at best. I can definitely see him being kept as a semi-clone for a third game. That's what I'm anticipating for Falco...
Just saying she is an different character for her differences doesn't make for an argument.Regarding Lucina, didn't Sakurai say "However, even though Lucina shares her physical stats and techniques with Marth, the characteristics of their attacks differ." Wouldn't "the characteristics" of her attacks differing make her pretty much like Falco in Melee...or something like that? It means while they share the same attacks, she will probably effect opponents differently than Marth, thus making her more different than what people seem to give her credit for. After all, no one has had a chance to play her and see exactly what those different effects will be, nor has Sakurai showed us in a pic of the day as of yet, so I think we should all relax and wait for more information. I'm honestly tired of people getting worked up over this "clone" stuff. We've had clones for a long time, it's not the end of the world.
Though this may just be me, I'm happy Lucina is playable at all, clone or not. She's my favorite character in FE Awakening, so I'll be sure to play as her when I get the chance. Also, I'm complete garbage with Marth due to the tip of the blade stuff (I can never hit people with it), and most of my battles with him ended in failure. I always liked Roy better, I hardly ever be Marth at all in Brawl, but now that Lucina is here, I can just be her instead. I like how Marth plays, but I could just never use him effectively. I may be able to get Lucina to work though, I'll have to see.
I'm actually really happy with how well the secret of the roster has been kept, it's impressive. I'm hoping it stays secret until the game comes out so I can unlock everything myself.If we DO get something, I wouldn't expect more than a veteran and/or a newcomer. I wouldn't expect multiple. That's if we get anything at all.
I still want a roster leak. I'm at the point where I really don't care to speculate anymore. Just give me Shulk, and the rest of the roster is fine with me. Even if Snake gets the boot...*sniffle.
the tornaments over the lights turn off the suddenly you hear wario laughing (wario stinks in) then destroys mario suddely he gets hit by a sword (ganondorf slices in) the gannon gets ran over by king k rool (king k rool takes the thrown) then it ends but then we see all the characters just confirmed blown away by a epic battles between mewtwo (mewtwo strikes back) and ridley (ridleys not to big) then it really endsPlease be a Villains trailer! Oh please be a Villains trailer!
Ah, I see you're only talking about clones. But really... does the difference matter? There have been clones that incrementally got more Luigi-fied, but then again there have been original characters who have had their moves changed as well. As of yet there's been no character who has experienced a full revamp, and just because Ganondorf hasn't been shown yet and has been cloney twice before doesn't mean he's necessarily going to get one. Do you think Falco is also going to get drastically changed? Because I don't.But Ness was never a clone, miss. At least he wasn't considered a clone till Lucas was confirmed in Brawl. All Ness is missing in his move set is his PK Rockin Final Smash. PK Starstorm was the only mistake. That could have been left for Lucas. It should be understandable if Ness and Lucas need to borrow PSI moves from Paula and Kumatora. It was smart on Sakurai's part to not let PSI moves go to waste.
Yes. At the very least he needs more dark magic attacks. I could care less if Ganondorf gets a weapon to fight with, the only thing I do care about is if he taunts with his weapon, he should use it for a few attacks at least.Here's my question: Does Ganondorf even NEED a change? So he doesn't use a sword. So he's got a moveset derived from the one made up for Captain Falcon based on Power Ranger/Kamen Rider/Ultraman style shows. And? As a Gerudo King who has the Triforce of Power embedded into his soul, his entire moveset feels like a crushing powerhouse. I, as a Ganondorf Main in Melee and PM, have never really felt that Ganondorf needed to be changed. If you ever hit a turnaround Warlock punch you would never want that move taken away because of the godly wrath it gives. Does his full kit work competitively? No. But I can say the same for a ton of characters. Jigglypuff's Sing, Pikachu's Skull Bash, Mario's FLUDD, Peach's Hip-Slam, PK Flash, Dancing blade other than momentum stalling, etc. I feel that Ganondorf just needs a bit more speed and jump height and he would be perfectly good. Don't fix what isn't broken.