I am not going to rant and spike down on people who chain grab. (infinite grab to some) That's not the purpose of this thread. What I would like to get out of this thread is peoeple's opinon about the relationship of chain grabbing to justification and reasonability.
I've been reading up alot on chain grabbing, and people's idea's and reasoning behind it, and the multiple techinques and this talent these players seem to consider they have. Fine, fine fine, I get it. But it's hit a point where it's crossed the line on alot of cases and no one has bothered to say anything about it. So I am going to point these obvious things out and see what people think.
People that search an ice' climbers or King Dedede chain grab on youtube and anaylze the techinique. I applaud you. Why? For one, your practicing, two, your gaining a different aspect and approach to the game that you find entertaining and that's what the game is meant for, to have fun.
But that's where it ends, right there. To say that you can grab an opponent multiple times doesn't mean you got skill. It means that you dont have the ability to actually fight someone appropiately enough for a fair and good sportsmanship like fight, so you must resort to a techinque that gives you the edge over an opponent.
Dont you try and argue the sympathy issue of 'It takes skill to chain grab in brawl' I hate all of you who even consider this to be actually relevant and true in competitive play. You should all burn. To consider that a game that requires no more then two action buttons a challenge to learn is absolutely ridiclous.
This so called "technique" that few out of the many characters in the game have is not a challenge to learn nor is it difficult to actually maintain. And quite frankly, the people out there, who use chain grabbing often, when flagged for chain grabbing and forced to stop, have worser odds then the person who actually practiced dodging, jabbing, and all the other actual skill techinques in the entire game.
To pick ice climbers and do a walking chain grab and consider it a skill, is absolutely stupid, and you should be shot for even considering it remotely close to a skill if you have done so. That might be offensive to some of you, especially those of which who rely on this so called "skill" to win, but sorry, learning to double grab on a character is not a skill. It's a new style of grab that gives you advantage over players who cant get out of it.
The second argument that i've heard from intellgent and actually smart chain grabbers are is the norm excuse, "it's in the game, it's how it was meant to be played."
This sorry sense of justification for an unfair techinque just brings a smile to my face. There's a **** load of maps in the game which most tournament's ban, but for what? "It's in the game, it's how it' was meant to be played." but wait a second. There's actually a consideration to those maps that which get people killed and some just dislike. Cause in tournament play, things are usually played for neutral and equal playing field. But wait a second, if maps are taken into consideration for equality? would it not cross your mind that a move you use in the very same game might gimp another player and unjustify the equality?
To those who use chain grabbing competitively will definitely not care for the last sentence cause gimping another player is definitely worth it for the money or item they recieve and that's fine. But I am happy to say that alot of New York- Long Island, Queens, Brooklyn, Manhattan, Tristate tournaments got the clue fast and simply banned it from competitive play. Cause no matter the circumstance, it's beyond challenging to escape a practiced chain grabber, it's near impossible, learn to play the game without doing the moves repetitively if your going to take it into competitive game play.
But that' brings it to the worst of the worst. This is where it actually has gone way beyond the limit. It's almost like an addictive drug that some players just cant let go.
Even though chain grabbing has been banned from alot of tournaments, you have alot of players who openly admit to chain grabbing, but say something along the lines of "I am just grabbing him a few, it's not like im inifinite grabbing." and so now, some tournaments have adapted to this new fond term and ban infinite grabbing. However, it doesn't eliminate the fact that people can chain grab and go straight into edgeguard for maybe a few stocks just to get the edge and then fight it out.
One video I had seen really reminded me of a couple of my friends out here in Queens. Unlike my friends, this dude hasn't changed his way's according to a few. "Dededemocracy" search on youtube if you havent' has from the title, a combo video! And in all honesty, I will be a fair critic. There are a few combos in the video, and several simple edge guarding techniques. Id fair it a 6/10, definitely something a noob couldn't get through but someone who knew King Dedede and knew how to avoid the counter-kick and up&down hammer, could get around. But beyond that, it's nothing more than chain grabbing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7J5Aa6oOR9g&feature=related
(link for the lazy =D)
I especially loved the bridge fight, where DDD chain grabbed Samus into K.O. and considered it a combination. The lovely thing about this is that this is actual proof of grabs being allowed in competitive play like this. But I wont go into to much detail on the video, it speaks for itself.
The last point that chain grabbers make is some most have heard. "Its not absolutely impossible to avoid, so there-for, not unfair."
This excuse is by far the worse. A million and one comparative reasons can be made to unjustify this so called proof of use of such a move in tournament play. But instead of making people read more then what they want, let's just say this. It's the fact that's near impossible (and in some cases, absolutely impossible) to avoid which makes it unfair you dumb ****.
(Just for clarification, this thread may seem like it attacks chain grabbers, but that's not my intention. And for those that do, continue to do so if it makes you happy, play the game you bought the way you want to. Especially if your playing for fun. What this is meant for, is the people who face chain grabbers competitively. And the chain grabbers who know it to be unfair, and use it competitvely regardless.)
I've been reading up alot on chain grabbing, and people's idea's and reasoning behind it, and the multiple techinques and this talent these players seem to consider they have. Fine, fine fine, I get it. But it's hit a point where it's crossed the line on alot of cases and no one has bothered to say anything about it. So I am going to point these obvious things out and see what people think.
People that search an ice' climbers or King Dedede chain grab on youtube and anaylze the techinique. I applaud you. Why? For one, your practicing, two, your gaining a different aspect and approach to the game that you find entertaining and that's what the game is meant for, to have fun.
But that's where it ends, right there. To say that you can grab an opponent multiple times doesn't mean you got skill. It means that you dont have the ability to actually fight someone appropiately enough for a fair and good sportsmanship like fight, so you must resort to a techinque that gives you the edge over an opponent.
Dont you try and argue the sympathy issue of 'It takes skill to chain grab in brawl' I hate all of you who even consider this to be actually relevant and true in competitive play. You should all burn. To consider that a game that requires no more then two action buttons a challenge to learn is absolutely ridiclous.
This so called "technique" that few out of the many characters in the game have is not a challenge to learn nor is it difficult to actually maintain. And quite frankly, the people out there, who use chain grabbing often, when flagged for chain grabbing and forced to stop, have worser odds then the person who actually practiced dodging, jabbing, and all the other actual skill techinques in the entire game.
To pick ice climbers and do a walking chain grab and consider it a skill, is absolutely stupid, and you should be shot for even considering it remotely close to a skill if you have done so. That might be offensive to some of you, especially those of which who rely on this so called "skill" to win, but sorry, learning to double grab on a character is not a skill. It's a new style of grab that gives you advantage over players who cant get out of it.
The second argument that i've heard from intellgent and actually smart chain grabbers are is the norm excuse, "it's in the game, it's how it was meant to be played."
This sorry sense of justification for an unfair techinque just brings a smile to my face. There's a **** load of maps in the game which most tournament's ban, but for what? "It's in the game, it's how it' was meant to be played." but wait a second. There's actually a consideration to those maps that which get people killed and some just dislike. Cause in tournament play, things are usually played for neutral and equal playing field. But wait a second, if maps are taken into consideration for equality? would it not cross your mind that a move you use in the very same game might gimp another player and unjustify the equality?
To those who use chain grabbing competitively will definitely not care for the last sentence cause gimping another player is definitely worth it for the money or item they recieve and that's fine. But I am happy to say that alot of New York- Long Island, Queens, Brooklyn, Manhattan, Tristate tournaments got the clue fast and simply banned it from competitive play. Cause no matter the circumstance, it's beyond challenging to escape a practiced chain grabber, it's near impossible, learn to play the game without doing the moves repetitively if your going to take it into competitive game play.
But that' brings it to the worst of the worst. This is where it actually has gone way beyond the limit. It's almost like an addictive drug that some players just cant let go.
Even though chain grabbing has been banned from alot of tournaments, you have alot of players who openly admit to chain grabbing, but say something along the lines of "I am just grabbing him a few, it's not like im inifinite grabbing." and so now, some tournaments have adapted to this new fond term and ban infinite grabbing. However, it doesn't eliminate the fact that people can chain grab and go straight into edgeguard for maybe a few stocks just to get the edge and then fight it out.
One video I had seen really reminded me of a couple of my friends out here in Queens. Unlike my friends, this dude hasn't changed his way's according to a few. "Dededemocracy" search on youtube if you havent' has from the title, a combo video! And in all honesty, I will be a fair critic. There are a few combos in the video, and several simple edge guarding techniques. Id fair it a 6/10, definitely something a noob couldn't get through but someone who knew King Dedede and knew how to avoid the counter-kick and up&down hammer, could get around. But beyond that, it's nothing more than chain grabbing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7J5Aa6oOR9g&feature=related
(link for the lazy =D)
I especially loved the bridge fight, where DDD chain grabbed Samus into K.O. and considered it a combination. The lovely thing about this is that this is actual proof of grabs being allowed in competitive play like this. But I wont go into to much detail on the video, it speaks for itself.
The last point that chain grabbers make is some most have heard. "Its not absolutely impossible to avoid, so there-for, not unfair."
This excuse is by far the worse. A million and one comparative reasons can be made to unjustify this so called proof of use of such a move in tournament play. But instead of making people read more then what they want, let's just say this. It's the fact that's near impossible (and in some cases, absolutely impossible) to avoid which makes it unfair you dumb ****.
(Just for clarification, this thread may seem like it attacks chain grabbers, but that's not my intention. And for those that do, continue to do so if it makes you happy, play the game you bought the way you want to. Especially if your playing for fun. What this is meant for, is the people who face chain grabbers competitively. And the chain grabbers who know it to be unfair, and use it competitvely regardless.)