Celebrity Mafia: The Revenge of Elin Nordegren (GAME OVER! Did Elin get her revenge?)

[th3kuzinator]

There -are- things to go off of, you're just going off of things people say, not what things people don't say.

Yeah, this makes perfect sense as well. Lets focus on the lack of connections between your scum picks when none of them have flipped scum yet. You are looking for a lack of connections that might not mean anything.

 

[Purple]

While I was reading, I found some threads that Joey gave me in the beginning of this game; I read them pretty slow, but noticed in the player list that a lot of players that played in this game, also played in that one. In fact a -very- large group of you are in that game. (joey, nabe, july, dourin) in the second game , kuz in there as well.

SO yeah! Meta-trip! Then I noticed July was scum in the KSSU game.

After skimming the thread, I noticed a habit that July had as scum; she'd, while having 'reads' on her scumbuddy, would distance herself heavily from her scumbuddy otherwise.

Then it hit me, I need to check for distance just as much as I need to check for connections. So, I decided to go into read mode and checking each person and seeing how they look.

The first person I checked, I happened to have a distancing act with.
1. Axel (J/Zen) - After reading into Axel, I noticed something. He commented into everyone

except Delvro.

He has talked and asked legitimate questions to the entire -town-, however conversation with Delvro has been minimal, very minimal. The only thing i saw them discuss with something in relation to Joey. Delvro also, for a SPLIT second voted Axel during his wagon, however after about 10 posts or so, Delvro took the high way off and unvoted, talking casually with Axel ever since.

Also, Axel specifically said

"Regardless of Cello's flip, we kill Roxy next"

Now he's playing the dumb game? "Oh, who do we lynch now?"

This might very well be Zen/J each talking in two seperate posts, but shouldn't they have something like this discussed?

He also has a 'strong' town read on Kuz, with that being said, I never liked people overly confident in town reads, especially after only one day (when Axel made this claim, yesterDay was no where near over), what gave thsi assumption that Kuz was town? Why was he so confident? Because chances are, he KNEW he was town.

If Axel flipped scum, I'd look towards Delvro and vice versa.

More distancing reads from D1 coming up.

The whole post is based on axel's comments, however SPECIFICALLY comments on Delvro AND Axel as being a scum team.

Dourin came after a second read.

 

[Purple]

Kuz, just as much as lack of connections might mean nothing, the addition of connections might just as well mean nothing.

Scum is MUCH MORE likely to not talk to their scumbuddies often then talk to them. What. The. ****

 

[Purple]

Yeah, this makes perfect sense as well. Lets focus on the connections between your scum picks when none of them have flipped scum yet.

This applies to you Kuz.

 

[th3kuzinator]

I am not basing today's lynch on a theory you have about a lack of connections when we dont know any of the three candidate's alignment (when I myself doubt you're town). Simple as that.

If you want to try and convince others, be my guest.

However, if you want to persuade me, please do look into clownbot. There is content to be found there.

 

[Purple]

Going to class.


We are NOT done here.

 

[th3kuzinator]

1084, explain it to me.

 

[th3kuzinator]

@Delvro and Joey, Swiss is not happening toDay. Don't be stupid. Out of Roxy or Clown, who would you rather go for?

 

[th3kuzinator]

@Roxy, do you realize you misquoted me in your 1084?

You turned

"Yeah, this makes perfect sense as well. Lets focus on the lack of connections between your scum picks when none of them have flipped scum yet."

into

"Yeah, this makes perfect sense as well. Lets focus on the connections between your scum picks when none of them have flipped scum yet."

by deleting the yellow.

Don't even say you did it by accident, as I am sure you copy and pasted it in there and found it convenient to delete those two words. ffs, all of your attacks are so underhanded.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Vote Roxy; <-- more of this please

 

[July]

It's also interesting that neither Delvro and Axel think I shouldn't die today as well.

The thing is Roxy, this really doesn't help your case. If Delvro and Axel are scum, which you suspect, why aren't they supporting your lynch? Why would Delvro push Swiss and Axel push Nabe and Clownbot when they could just achieve their goal of saving themselves by killing you?

Alright guys, I just did a read of Dourin(-X)

The reason I checked dourin was because of something July said earlier about him


I have a problem with this. He literally did the -exact- same thing as me in the beginning of D2; cling onto Cello's comments

Funny thing though, he never brought up Delvro after voting Kuz, just went immediately from Kuz and switched to me; guess it makes sense considering he saw me get blasted for it, and he accordingly jumped on my lynch afterwards.

But didn't he pretty give the same reasoning for his votes? Why would my reasoning for being town be any different?

July I think you're off thinking that he's doing a good job as town, he's merely following along with everyone else about my lynch, and before the Day ended, he had little to no say whatsoever on the Cello lynch, voted him merely because Swiss said so (not demanding him or anything, just said that everyone was on the Cello lynch therefore he should be lynched). And then dropping Swiss entirely today.

I didn't notice though, that Cello said Kuz/Delvro for lynching later; interesting, I guess that's partially why Dourin dropped it?

Changing it to Delvro/Dourin/Axel team

I understand your argument, and I can see how Dourin could be suspicious, but I can also see that you, Axel, and Delvro are much more suspicious. Getting info out of Axel is really important right now (and frustrating) and Delvro's actions in this game have been extremely strange and scummy for how little he posts. Whatever information we have on Dourin is helpful, but it doesn't raise his chances of being scum past Axel, Delvro, and yourself.

Soz proski. I have that 'final' stage job interview tomorrow so what time I do have on a comp I'm using for that. And lurking here

Be back by 2mo evening, set up laptop, get on internet, skim the thread, post pseudo content, lynch Clown Roxy regardless of what tells I find.

^ Plan

That's 26 hrs 'till content max.

Problem, town?

Fixed that for you, we should get rid of Roxy toDay. Axel's wanting Clown and Nabe rather than Roxy only makes me further believe Roxy is the right choice.

That's not true, because the reason you're being voted is because you hammered Cello before he could come back and say his last things. Pretty damn suspicious, and it would be enough reason for to vote you as well.

Dourin, you are speaking as if you know their intentions; Axel gave no reason for choosing Clown and Nabe, and Swiss's original vote may have been because of hammer but his recent comment on killing Clown also provides no reasoning.

Dourin defends axel. This team is lookin soooo good.

Dourin's defense of Axel has been noted.

But here is the thing. Although you have both been playing scummy, we will gain more info off your flip than Delvro's. Delvro has not said much and has not left us much to work with except a theory of yours. Plus, just because you finally gave three scum picks, you are still very very scummy and I have made my decision on the topic. I cannot fully trust your reads. If we hypothetically misylnched Delvro because of your "case" we would move into D3 with two mislynches and a scum read on you so large that it would be very difficult to sway it off. If you are scum, this is less detrimental, but if town that next mislynch will cost us the game. Even if Delvro were to flip scum, we would only have your plan to work off of (which is shoddy at best <_<) while the scumRoxy scumClown wifom would just distract us.

At this point I am just split on whether to go with Clown or Rox toDay, as those two seem to be what everyone is divided on. We really need one of your flips. Swiss and Axel seem to be stuck on clownbot, which is a fine alternative, if someone can actually post some ****ing content. Roxy, if you want to live through the Day, I suggest you convince others why Clown is the lynch because, unless they slip, I am not okay with Dourin and Axel going yet (and I already explained why no to Delvro).

I agree with the first paragraph, but the second I'm not willing to support a Clown lynch toDay if Axel can't explain why he wants Clown or Nabe over a Roxy lynch. Roxy will provide more information, I want to stick with him. Also, as you point out, voting Delvro simply because its between him/Delvro for some people (myself included) is a really blatant act of putting self-preservation over scum-hunting which doesn't set well with me.

The theory isn't just a theory, that's a natural habit dude. These are new players, and assuming their new to the scum game, the idea of them distancing themselves like this makes perfect sense from a scum perspective >: (

Dourin is new to the game, don't know about Delvro, but Axel (J/Zen) are definitely not newbs and we don't know that they would advocate distancing themselves from their scum buddy, that's why this is just a theory.

Votecount
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1. Axel (J/Zen) (0)
2. Swiss (2) Joey, Delvro
4. Roxy (3) Dourin, Kuz, Nabe
5. -Dourin-X- (1) July
[B]6. Nabe[/B] (1) Clownbot
7. -Joey- (0)
8. July (0)
10. Kuz (0)
11. Delvro (0)
12. Clownbot(2) Swiss, Axel

Not voting: Roxy

With 10 alive it takes 6 to Lynch!

Deadline will be FEBURARY 16th at 11:59 PM

Clown, Joey, Delvro, we have less than two days at this point, we need votes on Roxy, Swiss and Nabe are not viable lynch options right now. Clownbot, this is extremely pertinent to you because if Roxy isn't the lynch for toDay, the lynch falls back onto you because we need information.

Axel, we can't wait for information anymore. Roxy is scummy and the most viable lynch toDay. If you really wanted to save Roxy, you would have come in and given your input and explained your actions, but right now you are just confusing town right before the lynch.

 

[July]

Tried to highlight/italicize Joey, Delvro, and Clown in the Tiger's vote count when I addressed them, but I failed. It was just for emphasis that I was talking to you three.

 

[Purple]

This is bull****; **** this game. Lol

 

[Purple]

All i'm seeing against Clown is this

Also while Nabe hasn't been online for a while one half of SephKuz has not only been active but has posted in other games he's in.

Just throwing that out there.

Vote Kuzamune Reread might change my vote.

But that was misconstrued in my opinion. He meant that a re-read might show someone more scummy than Kuz's inactivity.

Also there's the hammer, but i mean, someone had to do it? :|

 

[Fried Ice Cream]

What hammer?

 

[Purple]

The only hammer in the game?

D1 cello

 

[th3kuzinator]

You know whats awesome?

Game wide inactivity with 1 day until the deadline.

 

[Purple]

It's extra cash


don't kill me ;_;

 

[Purple]

Kuz can we just like.

do something?

my goodness :'(

 

[th3kuzinator]

I am not going to be suckered in by your AtE, that's what always clouds my judgment during the final wagon push. I have re-read and have stated my case against you, which you have largely failed to refute. You said you were going to leave for class yesterday but you wanted to keep talking about our discrepancy, then I call you out on an underhanded misquote and you promptly stop arguing with me and just AtE here

This is bull****; **** this game. Lol

here

don't kill me ;_;

and here

Kuz can we just like.

do something?

my goodness :'(

I am just annoyed that we don't even have a majority of the cast active enough to lynch you. I have thought this through and this is where my vote stays.

@Everyone, clock is ticking. We already have one less vote as a group because July is forced to vote Dourin. We need people taking sides now. Only around one day left until deadline, hurry up ffs.

 

[Purple]

Yeah, I did what you told me to do which was to look into clownbot. I don't see anything on clownbot besides for the fact you misconstrued something he said in D1, and him hammering the lynch; did you miss that somehow?

 

[Purple]

Final wagon? This was practically the first wagon LOL

 

[Purple]

Oh btw, in 1084 the quote was edited, you're making the claim that the lack of connections don't make sense for someone that hasn't flipped scum yet, the same can be said for anything you're making connections towards; the people with connections equally have yet to flip scum.

I really don't understand what information you get off of my lynch either, anyone willing to explain that to me?

 

[Purple]

The thing is Roxy, this really doesn't help your case. If Delvro and Axel are scum, which you suspect, why aren't they supporting your lynch? Why would Delvro push Swiss and Axel push Nabe and Clownbot when they could just achieve their goal of saving themselves by killing you?

Why ask me questions about someone else? I really have no idea why Delvro's agreeing with me, and out of all the times Zen AND J separately have viewed this thread, they haven't said anything. One thing I could imagine is that perhaps they know that I will end up dying after this huge hole I've been stuck in, and don't see any information I give as a threat becuase of that. After all, I'm a scummy looking Vanilla Townie, they've seen how information from past town members have been thrown away to the wind (read: rPSI, Cello), and feel by instead of arguing it, just letting me die and the Day blow over that things went go alright that way.

I understand your argument, and I can see how Dourin could be suspicious, but I can also see that you, Axel, and Delvro are much more suspicious. Getting info out of Axel is really important right now (and frustrating) and Delvro's actions in this game have been extremely strange and scummy for how little he posts. Whatever information we have on Dourin is helpful, but it doesn't raise his chances of being scum past Axel, Delvro, and yourself.

Much more suspicious? In what way am I much more suspicious than say, Dourin right now? Because of my constant talking? Or because of the initial d2 conversation? Everyone is ignorant of D1 now that D2 is happened; seems silly to me.

Fixed that for you, we should get rid of Roxy toDay. Axel's wanting Clown and Nabe rather than Roxy only makes me further believe Roxy is the right choice.

I can see where you're coming from with this, honestly.

Dourin, you are speaking as if you know their intentions; Axel gave no reason for choosing Clown and Nabe, and Swiss's original vote may have been because of hammer but his recent comment on killing Clown also provides no reasoning.

Unnecessary connections perhaps?

Dourin's defense of Axel has been noted.

I agree with the first paragraph, but the second I'm not willing to support a Clown lynch toDay if Axel can't explain why he wants Clown or Nabe over a Roxy lynch. Roxy will provide more information, I want to stick with him. Also, as you point out, voting Delvro simply because its between him/Delvro for some people (myself included) is a really blatant act of putting self-preservation over scum-hunting which doesn't set well with me.

Incase Kuz doesn't answer, July what information would I give? Just curious

Dourin is new to the game, don't know about Delvro, but Axel (J/Zen) are definitely not newbs and we don't know that they would advocate distancing themselves from their scum buddy, that's why this is just a theory.

People naturally distance themselves to some extent, this doesn't mean it will be blatant distancing like you did in KSSU, but it might be distancing such as putting a read on a person, and then turning away from it when something else arises; it's good to keep that in mind.


Clown, Joey, Delvro, we have less than two days at this point, we need votes on Roxy,

Swiss and Nabe are not viable lynch options right now. Clownbot, this is extremely pertinent to you because if Roxy isn't the lynch for toDay, the lynch falls back onto you because we need information.

Why aren't swiss and nabe lynch options? Not saying I want them lynched, but just out of curiousity.

Axel, we can't wait for information anymore. Roxy is scummy and the most viable lynch toDay. If you really wanted to save Roxy, you would have come in and given your input and explained your actions, but right now you are just confusing town right before the lynch.

Scum tactic 101

 

[Purple]

Quintuplate post.

so gooood

 

[Fried Ice Cream]

Roxy...

 

[Fried Ice Cream]

EBWOP: You should probably ignore the last post.

 

[Purple]

You probably should post something of importance.

Oh nvm, no need to do that considering you're off the radar anyways.

 

[Clownbot]

So does this mean we're lynching me toMorrow? :|

Unvote, Vote Roxy

Still think Naxelvro would be better candidates. At least I think I think that.

 

[Purple]

So does this mean we're lynching me toMorrow? :|

Unvote, Vote Roxy

Still think Naxelvro would be better candidates. At least I think I think that.

. . . .



maaaaaaaan

THEN WHY DON'T YOU VOTE THEM?!

 

[Clownbot]

Because it's not gonna happen, you're closest to being lynched, I don't want to make town scatter if I manage to convince them which I won't in the first place because a) there's not much to be said about them and b) we all already know what there is to be said.

 

[Purple]

Wow.

Closest to being lynched = scum?

Come on Clownbot, that sounds scummy as ****

 

[Clownbot]

You know what else is scummy? Putting words into people's mouths.

 

[Purple]

Clown, DO YOU THINK I"M SCUM

 

[Clownbot]

Not as much as I do a couple others, but you are scummy.

 

[Purple]

Not as much as I do a couple others, but you are scummy.

I didn't imply this, but it's a yes or no question.

 

[Clownbot]

It's not that simple. I've explained this as much as I possibly can. I'm settling for you as a lynch. Am I satisfied with you being lynched? Yes, but not relative to candidates I think are better.

Do I think you're scum? My answer to that question is neither "yes" nor "no."

 

[Purple]

Out of Context chat with Clownbot.

If you think someone's scummy, you look for information in them to validate your gut feelings. You don't just sit there and go "oh well he's pretty close to dying *vote*" That makes this mislynch (assuming I get lynched) that's about to happen just as much as your fault as whoever hammers or whoever carried the lynch on.

Why do you think Kuz is on me? Because he outside of everyone else on this lynch, has viable reasons to feel that I am scum, through legitimately reading my posts. You? You don't have that, and by holding back and refusing to give information about your other scum reads, you're just making YOURSELF look worse (assuming you're town, this is BAD). Step that **** up.


Assuming July's going to come back later , i'll repost this question again; question applies to Kuz too.

What information do you get from me for my lynch? What connections do you find? Who will you check on my Townflip? Scumflip?



One moooore thing.

We're inactive as ****, I asked the mod privately to do a hardbody full prod of this game, so he's going to do that at work. Soooo yeah

:|

 

[Purple]

Great job not being able to pin down a solid thought on a person Clownbot; but whatever you're satisfied with the lynch target.

If you could lynch someone right now and everyone would follow you, who would it be? What connections to see me making upon townflip? Scumflip?

 

[Clownbot]

1) Axel, followed by Delvro.

2) Not sure what you're asking me here.