Catherine Mafia Game Over! Lolilovesrain wins in Queenmaker!

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Going to be playing background for a bit then.

IMO

DH/Summoner
Ori and someone else.

This game doesn't have an indy with 4 man scum-team.

 

[#HBC | J]

Vote Count 4-1

1. LoliH.Riddle {0}
2. Uguu {0}
3. Murderbush {0}
4. Soup {0}
5. Dark Horse {0}

Not voting {5 -

}: LoliH.Riddle, Uguu, Murderbush, Soup, Dark Horse

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch!

Deadline is set for 8/10/12 at midnight CMT!​

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Thinking about numbers real quick

Thinking numbers real quick.

Vote Count 4-1

1. LoliH.Riddle {0}
2. Uguu {0}
3. Murderbush {0}
4. Soup {0}
5. Dark Horse {0}

DH lynched (Flips VT)

4 remaining in night phase.

Someone dies

3 remaning at day start.

Red scum alive
Blue scum alive
One Townie

Draw.

Scum has to hit blue scum tonight if we mislynch...otherwise it's a forced draw.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Scenario 1:
NL

5 into night phase

a townie dies (likely me)

4 on daystart

Blue scum
Red scum
2 Townies

Town is in lylo, if town mislynches the game draws. If town lynches red scum then it moves to lylo again. if town lynches blue scum then the red scum can win.

Scenario 2:

NL

5 alive into night

blue scum dies

3 Townies
1 red scum

Town lynches red scum, wins.

Town mislynches, lose.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Scenario 3:

DH Lynched (Red scum)

4 into night

(No kill)

3 Townies
1 blue scum

Mislynch

2 Townies
1 blue scum

Mislynch

Blue scum wins

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Scenario 4:

Loli/Uguu lynched (Blue scum)

4 into night

Townie dies

2 townies
1 red

LYLO.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Dark House why did you suggest that there are 2man teams again?

I suggested a two man team because, from a balance standpoint, there's no way in hell there's going to be a one-man scumteam honestly, I really doubted there would be a 3 man scumteam.

9 man games are almost always 2 vs 7, so I figured adding an indy and a townie would bring it up to 11. Basically, the same faction count as DK mafia.

Hey DH, why did you refuse to hammer Summoner and had him self-vote?

My god this question

1. I did not "refuse to hammer."
2. I wanted to see what uguu would say about my post before summoner hammered himself
3. "had him self vote?" Here you're assuming things

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Hitting red here gives us best chance to win, neither team wants that. If we mislynched then the game is forced into a draw. Nobody wins.

If we lynch correctly and hit red scum we have more chance to win.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Basically the only thing we lose here on lynching DH is a possible draw. if we don't lynch we get opportunity for red scum to hit blue but that only gives us the same predicament as today.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Even if DH is a blue scum, we go into LYLO.

Mislynch = Draw
Red scum lynch = 2 mislynches gained.
Blue scum lynch = Lylo

There is literally nothing holding me back from this, DH. You're really gonna need to convince me here.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Oh, we also go into lylo if red scum hits a blue

sec

5 alive

mislynch

4 alive

scum hits blue

3 alive

2 townies
1 red

yeah

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Scum has to hit blue in that situation, they're forced to bring us into lylo regardless of anything, if they don't then the game will be drawed and nobody will win.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

We are not NLing. We are lynching today if I make myself clear.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I want Ryker here to work out a plan with me before I do anything else, I want him to direct everything as his last plan worked out superb, though I have my own.

Toodles.

 

[Uguu]

Ryker is cleared because the day started without him even being here. Besides, I hardly believe he'd kill FRIGGIN ORI_BRO as scum.

That leaves either Soup or DH.
uhhh
YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

 

[Uguu]

and agreed with putting a halt to the game until ryker is back

gives us a chance to hear from nick and loli too

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

It honestly doesn't even matter if you lynch me. we have a ML or a Draw regardless. I am confident on DH however.

 

[#HBC | J]

Sending a prod to well...everyone but Murderbush due to V/LA....

;_;

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Responding to prod. Time to win this game.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

In this post I will not only deduce the setup and how it works but also simuteanously pin the last scum.

We all know J loves making games flavored induced, right? Well...

Here's the thing.

My role is Vincent Brooks, and I'm a Town Sheep Cop.

Think about this for a second.

When I investigated SummonerAu, I got not sheep. Guess what Summoner flipped? Katherine. This is not only contradictory to the game but also to me, Katherine's ending is more with the sheep,

Spoiler

as vincent finally stops running away from his problems and decides to settle down with Katherine, to follow the same orderly line that life puts us in.

Vincent in the game, does not want to accept this at first, the whole game revolves around his affair with catherine and his recurring nightmares that lead him to adulthood. I am confident that flavor-wise, sheep are guilty in my eyes. Katherine was a sheep. I am an insane cop (Vincent does not want to accept his fate and does not want to be with the herd) that only can get guilty on the red mafia. I am not saying that all sheep aligned players are guilty, but only that i'm limited to red mafia.

I have a sheep on Dark Horse and Uguu. Ryker's role stated that two players were scum on Zen's wagon.

One player was Dark Horse.
Another player was Uguu.

Zen's wagon: Me, Ryker, BadClover, Macman, Summoner, Darkhorse, Uguu

BadClover has flipped town.
Macman has flipped town.

Ori_bro has flipped Blue Mafia.
Summoner has flipped Red Mafia.

The only two players left now in the pile are Dark Horse, uguu, and Loli.

Uguu and Dark Horse cannot be aligned! With Ryker's information and him telling the truth, there cannot be 3 scum on the wagon. Ori_bro has already flipped blue mafia. One of Uguu/Dark Horse has a confirmed scum. Does anyone believe Ryker to be lying at this point??

Now here's the thing with that, Loli is confirmed scum if Ryker is telling the truth.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Ori_bro and Loli did not vote Zen.
Dark Horse and Uguu cannot be aligned.

Loli is confirmed Red Mafia if I am correct here, I have innocent on both Dark Horse and Uguu, one player is blue mafia and the other is townie, but Loli is essentially scum here.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Let's pretend Ryker is scum for a second just in case someone wants bring it up.

Refer to my reports again. Refer to my theory again.

Ryker could only be Red Mafia.
V/LA Shenanigans and setup means he isn't the Red mafia.

Here's the canon setup in my head.
4 VTs
1 Town Sheep Cop (only gets guilty on red mafia)
1 Faith Healer (idk)
1 Census Taker
2 Red Mafia Goons (can be guiltied)
2 Blue Mafia Goons (cannot be guiltied, has no kill)

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Not only is my evidence backed with game related but I also have the flavor down to a tee, I do not think I am wrong here. I woke up in the middle of the night as I just realized this and had to post it, I will await Ryker to discuss a plan with me but I want to get rid of the Red Mafia.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Just in case I am dead wrong, refer to my scenarios.

See you all in the morning.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I wish Ryker would post in here.

I want to win this game.

 

[Uguu]

Soup you're gonna have to explain why you lied about your claim initially.

 

[Uguu]

Btw I am Todd, Town Vanilla.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I lied about it? Are you talking about the lie detector thing? The VT shenanigan? Just to hide my role essentially.

 

[Dramatic Flair]

Raz here to offer some thoughts. I think you're off-base on Katherine being a sheep, Soup.

Let me double-check the information on your claim first, Ryker's been driving the bus for the most part while I've been busy.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Regardless if I am, I think it makes sense. Unless you believe that Dark Horse is a godfather.

 

[Dramatic Flair]

I claim Jonathon "Jonny" Ariga, town census taker. Once during the game I can tell how many town and how many scum (not specific alignment) are on the lynch wagon. There were two scum on the wagon last yesterday.

Vote Dark Horse

I hate his hammer, his justification for it, and his set-up speculation.

Vote Count 1-5

1. Zen {6 -

} - Murderbush, Soup, BadClover, SummonerAU, Uguu, Dark Horse

Deadline is set for 7/30 at midnight CMT.[/B]​

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Alright, let the fun begin.

I claim Vincent Brooks, Town Sheep Cop.

I have two reports, and both reports are on the wagon that Murderbush claimed to have two scum on. I have an innocent on Dark Horse, and a guilty on SummonerAU. My alignment isn't confirmed, however.

If Ryker is telling the truth, and with the players gone already:

Uguu would be the only player alive that would be the second scum.

Care to test the faith, Ryker?

Okay, sorting this out.

The Zen lynch contained the following 6 players:

Murderbush
Soup
Dark Horse
SummonerAU Katherine, Red Goon
Badclover Anna, VT
Uguu

We found with our ability that there were two scum on the wagon.

Soup has claimed Vincent, Town Sheep Cop.

You got NOT SHEEP on Summoner, Katherine.

Got SHEEP on Uguu and DH.

You have a mistake in your 580, as Macman was not on the wagon.

Reaching into the flavor here, the Sheep are the men who Vincent encountered in his dreams.

Zen, Archie, Town was one.
Morgan, Macman, Town was another.
Nabe, Tobi, Town was another.
Jonny (Us) is another.

Now here's where I'm going to have to ruin your day, Soup.

You're not a Cop. You're a FLAVOR COP.

Badclover, Anna, Town, is NOT a Sheep. Anna does not at any point appear as a sheep in Vincent's dreams.

Summoner, Katherine, Red Scum is ALSO NOT a Sheep, as is Ori, Boss, Blue Scum.

So here's the big ****ing problem we run into. Your results are not necessarily conclusive. Because we have a NOT SHEEP (Anna) who flipped Town, and both of the scum who have flipped so far were not Sheep.

Uguu claimed Todd, VT. Todd is a Sheep. This lines up with your results.

This should make DH scum for sure. It is entirely possible he is both scum AND a sheep.

That leaves Loli as the last scum, and the one off the wagon, I believe.

As for alignment, all signs point to DH being aligned with Summoner, and Loli with Ori by PoE.

Lynching DH is the safest course to my knowledge, as the three of us are certain he's scum.​

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Alright, thanks for the clarification there, I am willing to lynch Dark Horse here, but do you believe he is the Red Scum? What about Uguu's possible fake-claim? These are all things that need to be addressed, I am not going to lynch just based on flavor and etc.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Do you believe that regardless of flavor, that I cannot get guilty on the Blue Mafia? Disregard that just for a second.

 

[Dramatic Flair]

What do you mean by a "guilty" exactly?

Because I think you're a flavor cop, it seems entirely plausible to me that a scumteam may have a "Sheep" member, which essentially acts as a godfather to your flavor cop, just as Anna was essentially "miller" to your flavor cop by flipping "Not Sheep" as Town.

And yes, Raz thinks DH/Summoner, Ori/Loli.

Uguu claimed AFTER your claim of "Not Sheep", so it may very well be that the claim was molded to fit that. However, based on our role, DH should be scum which causes Uguu Town by exclusion, leaving Loli.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

So do you want to risk the draw and go for DH, or play safe with Loli? There's not much to decide here besides the avenue we go, but I was considering a plan to have if something goes haywire, which is why I made those scenarios in my earlier posts.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I actually just thought of something.

We lynch DH

(He flips Vanilla Townie)

4 into nightphase

scum is forced to kill loli or draw if we're wrong.

 

[Dramatic Flair]

Run me through the draw scenario, because I'm not seeing exactly where it comes in.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Don't play it safe with loli.

Let's say you lynch loli, who flips scum. Next day, it's going to be me or uguu. My flip would put the nail in the coffin for both of them, getting rid of any cluster**** situations.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Here's our numbers right now:

Me, You, Uguu, Dark Horse, Loli

We lynch one of those players

DH flips VT

It is four players going into the night phase

Me, You, Uguu, Loli

Red scum cannot kill a townie

Spoiler

Me, Uguu, Loli (draw)

Red scum has to kill blue scum.

With blue scum dead

Spoiler

Me, You, Uguu (hypothetical)

Which would put us into lylo.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Would red v blue v town just result in kingmaker?