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[The_Guide]

Meh. No need to apologize. Just be sure to submit your case, get it out in the open; if you don't, you might find yourself in Ermac's shoes.

Simple as that, really.

 

[Greenstreet]

@Mod request vote count

 

[Dark_Ermac]

Before I get lynched, give me just one more day to post my PBP & analysis for exn & van. I'm sorry for being unable to do anything today.

With a 3-day weekend coming up, I will be able to contribute a lot more to the discussion if I somehow don't get lynched by tomorrow.

 

[Greenstreet]

Did I request that wrong or did our mod die?

 

[Dark_Ermac]

Eh, the game slowed down.

I'm going to start exn now.

 

[Mayling]

We don't have a replacement for Lythium yet.

last posted:

nday - 5/27
dzle-falz - 5/26
vrael - 5/27
dark_ermac - 5/28
overswarm - 5/27
clownbot - 5/27
Lythium - 5/26
exn - 5/26
greenstreet - 5/28
super smash bros. fan - 5/27
the_guide - 5/27
vanderzant - 5/27

vote count
Dark_Ermac (4) - Vanderzant, The_guide, greenstreet, Nday
Exn (2) - SSBF, Lythium
vrael (1) - Overswarm

not voting (5): dark_ermac, Clownbot, exn, dzle-falz, vrael

Please be sure to take note and inform me of any mistakes made.

dead is last second of May 30th EST!
with 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch!

 

[Dark_Ermac]

Okay, here we go...

Clownbot I played a couple of games in the DR.

This will be my 3rd dash 4th.

Just a little background information. I see that you have some experience, but not much. I'm guessing that this is your first time playing with a pro like OS because you mainly play in the DR, right?

~~at this point he becomes inactive for most of the weekend~~

Vote: Dark Ermac

What does he do when he comes back? Votes me due to inactivity. Keep in mind that Nday was less active than I was.

So far I haven't seen much from anyone.

No ****. It's Day 1. The game doesn't really heat up until at least Day 2, unless an ongoing heated discussion is present. Due to the fact that nothing but a mob mentality towards lynching me is going on currently, there isn't much to base a player off of other than their playstyles or certain thoughts that provoke someone to vote.

What have you done?

Posted in response to Clownbot and his pseudo-inactivity. He still posted way more than you did at that point, Exn.

Vote: Nday

seems pretty scummy.

It doesn't take a genius to tell the difference between a scummy player and an inactive player. Just because someone is inactive doesn't mean that they are scum, and you still continued to pressure him and tried to push a lynch even after he starting posting again!

He hasn't posted much.

Okay, so first you said that he was "scummy", and now you're saying that you voted him because he "wasn't posting much"? Not posting==inactive, =/=scum. Next time, check his profile for activity before accusing him of taking a backseat and lurking.

I gave my reason.

Posted in response to someone else asking him to give a reason why he voted Nday. If I was active at this point, I would've voted for him right away for being a *******.

Yes, but I'm not Nday.

... You were almost as bad as Nday. The three of us together had contributed absolutely nothing at this point, yet you still considered yourself superior over us simply because you had slight "experience" playing against other noobs in the Disco Room!

I thought there was no need to unvote when you switch votes?

...

I think Nday is scum.

I can acknowledge the fact that there's relatively little to base an accusation on during the early Day 1, but this is just ridiculous. At this point, you were just on a crusade against the players who were away for the weekend, while not contributing much yourself.

I really do care. And I really do think he is scum. I'm trying. I'm trying.

An important thing to note about this is that Falz mentioned Exn being a lot more inactive in the game he played in, posting more than just one line per post. If Exn was really trying, he would attempt to take part in the discussion instead of posting one-liners of "I accuse so-and-so because I think they're scum."

I told you.

Again with the "I'm not going to answer your question as to why I'm voting Nday other than by stating that I already did several pages ago" mentality. Maybe if you didn't do such a ****ty job at explaining why you voted for him the first time, then people wouldn't have to ask you repeatedly!

Well do you think he's town?

We don't know yet, because it's near-impossible to tell what side someone is on during D1 unless they really screw up. Enough with the useless posts!

I don't quite understand what you guys mean by the way I am playing. I only stated that I have a feeling Nday is scum. I'm not trying to have any kind of play style. What else can I do? There have barely been any significant posts. It seems like everyone is waiting for everyone else to get things started. Meanwhile scum are going to just be cruising right along.

That's absolutely correct, you stated that Nday was scum. That's it. No reasons, other than "he's not posting" or "he's scummy". Also, you can't actively try to not have a playstyle. Everyone has some form of a playstyle. O wait, I get it... the reason you sucked for most of today is because you wanted to cover up the fact that you play differently when mafia. Thus, you played dumb for most of the game, and outright stated that you had no playstyle. I believe that you do have a playstyle- one that involves voting on one player and sticking to them no matter how little evidence you have available to prove their mafia status.

My only reasoning was that he hadn't posted much. Of course many others have not either so I just chose one. Also just a feeling. There's no other reasoning than those two. There's nothing else to go off of.

Didn't we already agree that voting based on gut alone isn't a good thing to be doing? Is that what you would do during lylo too? Also, you picked him randomly out of a list of inactive/useless people (excluding yourself)? ...

I would like to lynch anyone not contributing at this point. It's been days into Day1 and most of what has been said is completely useless.

I agree that it's okay to lynch someone based off of inactivity, if they haven't contributed anything at all to the discussion at hand. However, if someone has been posting at least once per day, I don't recognize that as being completely inactive. Also, did you want to vote for an inactive/useless player when you also proved to be completely useless during this time?

Second thought, Dark Ermac is becoming more suspicious to me and more usless (definitely more useless than me).

First he says he was gone all weekend and that he would reread and post the next day. That was yesterday. Now he is again saying that today he will reread and post tomorrow. He keeps giving little remarks that he is going to do something, but has yet to. I have a feeling he is going to continue playing this way. He is playing this same exact way in another mafia game. I understood in that game because it was a lot to read, but in this game everything could be read within 10 minutes. And most of it is useless.

I'm aware of that, but I was too busy at the time to do anything. Now that it's the weekend, I will have much more time to contribute to the game. I'm not going to continue playing with petty little useless posts and empty promises; those were mainly to give me time to post something worth more when I got more time.

Ok enough of this. Here's what's up.

First of all, I would never be that obvious if I were scum...

I hope this doesn't hurt town in the long run, but seeing as the game was going no where, I had to experiment. I voted for both Dark Ermac and Nday simply for reaction purpose. I had reason for Dark Ermac, but I omitted it solely to see what kind of responses it would bring forth. Since nobody else seemed to be doing anything I figured I would have to bring out some info on my own. This is basically what I've gotten from all this. I know that normally people don't like scum list and all that, but that's how I just how I do so deal please.

Clownbot
He uses the threat of a vote to its full potential. I believe (Though I'm not sure) that he has changed his vote more times than anyone in the game so far (Not taking RVS into account). He has immediately voted upon the smallest of insights. Once somebody has said something iffy, he has investigated instantly using the threat of his vote. This is exemplified in posts #47, #59, and #128. The last one was after I voted for Ermac. Take note that everyone after that simply puts FoS on me rather than voting. Clownbots boldness could mean that he doesn't care about looking like an opportunist because he's not mafia, or that he is simply an opportunist. Due to his experience and other factors, I find the latter to be less likely. Only time will tell which of the two it is, I just wanted to note that that is how he has been playing. The significance of it might not come apparent until later on. *Also he placed even more pressure by voting for me again. This action could have been a scum act trying to get more on me though and to cause confusion. (I surely was confused until Green noted that he voted twice).

SSBF
I took notice that SSBF only placed a bit of FoS on me after my random Nday vote. I figured what I was doing was fairly obvious and that mafia would be cautious of jumping on it right away. So far though, nothing SSBF has said seems suspicious. Most of what he said so far makes sense, and I don't see any contradictions. My feelings about him right now are neutral.

Vrael
He started out with only FoS after my random Nday vote, and as I continued to act like a ****** he became more and more fed up until finally voting for me- on his own. Vrael is coming off as town to me. Solely based of his reaction that's what I'm getting.

Lythium
Coming off as scum to me. And we haven't gotten far. It may be unintentional, but so far all she has done is parrot. First with her FoS, and then when voting right after Vrael decided to. Really seemed like a bandwagon type of thing imo. I recall her playing this way in the last game I played with her, upon another player who was playing pretty noobish and was an easy target. I know the consequences of metaing (or w/e you guys call it), but Lyth is fairly new so I doubt she has multiple playing styles. This is an extremely early accusation though so don't take much of it. Just my thoughts.

DZLE
Getting townie read mostly. His early vote on me (votes before the long chain of bandwagoning after Vrael) give me the slight impression that it was pressure rather than scummy.

I believe that's everyone who reacted to my actions. I have thoughts on everyone else as well, but I'll make that in a different post so this doesn't end up as a wall of text that everyone ignores. Also, the main person I was trying to get a reaction from was OS. I don't want to explain that now though. Just know that's why I continued to keep playing as I was. But since I'm already at L-2, now is the time to stop. I knew this would be a risk, but I don't actually want to hurt town by getting myself lynched. btw if 2 people jump on the wagon now, just know they are scum (obv.)

So let me get this straight...

You decided to act like a complete ****** for the entirety of Day 1 just to give you enough time to collect data on each player to make one large excuse post saying something along the lines of "I know I've been active like a ******, but it was all just a test!"? You also expect this to clear you as town instantly and make people want to forgive you for wasting everyone's time during most of the day? I believe that if you never posted anything at all, we would've been posting things more worthwhile and actually beginning to scumhunt instead of being thrown off on a red herring. The scum list in particular is just an easy way to try to pass blame onto other players, hoping that people will blindly follow an untrustworthy leader to oblivion.

Well, now that we are very close to the deadline and still without much discussion going on other than "kill Ermac", your secret plan to distract everyone seems to have paid of for the mafia.

Happy now?

What was your reason for doing so?

Clownbot was probably pressuring you to stop playing like ****. Of course, I haven't analyzed him yet, so I'm uncertain if he used his response as an excuse or not. He definitely seemed to open up and become more friendly to you after your wall, even though you accused him of being rash with his votes. Maybe this was scripted?

Obvious response is obvious. Don't ask me to explain myself and then tell me I'm nervously making excuses out of the blue.

But you were making excuses out of the blue. Normally "I was just testing you" means "I have no clue what the **** I'm doing so I'm saying this right now to get the idiotic players off of me".

Had to be said either way. Otherwise people would continue to question why I wasn't explaining myself.

[lists like these are easy for scum to make and use. Since scum basically know who is who, it's easy for them to correctly name "x" amount of players as town correctly, and possibly lump a scum mate in as well. ]

Actually I only said I think two are kind of townish. Clownbot I'm not so sure of because he is harder to read, the other three are easier.

Also I'll keep that in mind.

It's still a WIFOM. You didn't have to state that you would "never be that obvious if I were scum" in your post. You could've easily stated that it was just a test, or better yet, apologized for being an idiot the first ten pages instead of trying to cover it up.

Don't you mean the other four? O wait, you don't count replacements. Also, you can't read people very well on the first day, no matter what they say. Unless a wall-banger post shows up, there's no way of telling who is on what side until at least one person flips.

Yes, you would keep that in mind so that you know what not to do in your posts. That way, you would appear as townish as a mafia who got off to a bad start could possibly manage.

I just went through everyone's posts. So far every person has made some sort of accusation or vote except for OS, Nday, and Ermac. OS has asked a few questions and pointed out a few things, but I'm not sure if he is just watching for scum or if he is just cruising. Nday hasn't said anything, but he seems to be online every time I check. And Ermac is obviously playing games.

Overswarm- Who are your top 3 suspicions at this point. And why?

Nday- Why haven't you been posting? Have you read through everything yet? And what do you think about my explanation for playing the way I was?

Ermac- I'd love to hear your thoughts on everything soon.


I would expect the most experienced players. Out of the three most experienced players (OS, SSBF, and CB), SSBF has been doing the most (though most of his statements are ridiculous). OS and CB I would expect more from.

Yes, because everyone knows that inactivity == toying with people...

Also, you never want to classify SSBF in the same category as OS, unless you want to piss him off.

Edi .

What's with the bold tags?

I kind of noticed that as I was posting. Honestly I was trying to find a better word than ridiculous, but the bell was about to ring so I needed to post. Yesterday, I said so because I thought that some of the things people were getting on you for weren't really legit cases against you. I was referring to your post that I remembered which were: #16 & #55.

Today as I was reading through your posts, I found some beliefs that you had that I think are illogical (better word). This was after coming across: #102, #116, & #185


We will hold you up to that. You shouldn't be excused just because your experience however. How fair is it for us to give you a free ride while everyone else does the hunting? D1 is good for making connections. If you're not posting, you're excluded from those connections. That's something beneficial to mafia.

Okay, so you covered up the fact that you thought SSBF was being ridiculous by making up an excuse. Good job.

Also, you accuse him of being illogical. Let's examine your examples, shall we?
For #102, he stated that it's good to get out of RVS. Why is that such a bad thing?!
For #116, he voted me due to being inactive. You voted for Nday for being inactive. Thus, by your own logic, you are being illogical.
For #185, he stated that it's good to read through 150 posts of mafia, because someone might be able to pick something out of it. Of course, I will agree that his comparison to a 1000 post game was pretty ridiculous, but the overall belief isn't.

Also, I can see why you would accuse an experienced player of taking a back seat to the game, but D1 isn't the day for active scumhunting. We need some sort of flip to work with before we have concrete evidence about anything.

At this rate, the day will be over by the time you're finished.

I won't doubt that, but I'm getting into the players I accuse now, so if I don't finish then I won't be missing too much. The ones tat I won't be able to post before deadline will most likely be regular players that I have no opinion of yet.

Why do you think I would seek your approval rather than someone elses? You're obviously not the strongest player in the game.

"I should be doing more"
Then why aren't you? You don't have to wait for other people. You're more than capable of asking questions, getting discussions going, etc.

I will agree with this, but you're not helping that much either.

Don't think so. Before, when I was simply observing, no one else was posting anything useful. The fact that you're pushing for me to drop it is interesting. I don't think he has given more information than me. So far he has just made very vague comments on every posts by two members. Where is that going to get us? Is there anything that he said that you find particularly useful? And what do you mean get some one else to post, have you read anything I've been saying to you? and Nday?

I may be posting analysis posts for players that appear to be filled with fluff, but there's still a few things within that are of use. You, on the other hand, posted brief summaries of people you weren't FOSing yet, relying on mainly gut feeling to get opinions of those players.

I refuse that there is virtually nothing we can use on D1. To simply not try is a completely illogical option. People act like scum have never been lynched on the first day. They have. Just because it's not likely, doesn't mean it's impossible. People just need to try, and do all they can. Even if you don't get much scummy intel, you can still look for things that will help in the future- connections that will help in the long run.


The hell?

Scum have been lynched on the first day, but almost every time it is out of sheer luck. Day 1 is the day where no one has any proof about anything regarding player alignment. Due to this, most lynches will just be based off of accusations instead of fact. With only 4 non-town roles in this game, we'll have only a 1/3 chance of hitting a non-town today. You say that we could use things from today to help in the future, but that's not always the case, because not everyone hits their stride on the first day of the game. Day 1 is a slow day, and there's not much the town can do other than vote off a random person out of spite.

Also, you were still being useless when I said that.

To say with absolute certainty that "there are no 'scum tells' on D1" to me is a foolish way to go about things.

"In order to prove the law that crows are black, it is enough to find one white crow".

It's true that it's unlikely to get mafia the first day, but like I said, it's not impossible.

You're only looking at the numbers. There's more to it than that. Think about it, the majority of players in this game are relatively new to mafia. The chances of slips go up. Thus the chances of finding mafia go up. As well as getting information that can be used later on in the game.

He didn't say that there were absolutely NO scum tells on D1, just that they were caused by player fault rather than examination. Also, just because someone is new doesn't meant that they never played mafia before. They could've easily played on some other site like MS or EM.

Hm I see what you are saying.

If everyone is simply going after the most "useless" players, then what? I don't get how you're supposed to get connections if everyone is doing the same thing. Or doing nothing. Which is exactly what everyone was doing by the time I started my sporadic voting. And exactly the way you have been playing most of the game.

You can get connections based on who the players vote for, even if their behavior is all the same. People were also doing something during your stupid phase, event hough it wasn't much at the time. Honestly, your whole phase took up too much attention, only to reveal that it was all fake. I strongly dislike that you would expect everyone to just discard the entire focus of the game for the previous 6-7 pages because it was all for "testing".

Un vote

Again with the overly long spacing between b tags. At least you unvoted.

I was talking about when you voted, not when you placed FoS. #186. Which was actually just a couple of posts after Vrael a few hours later. It came off as parroting to me.

Uh yeah, obviously. I only wanted to get reactions and get more activity going. I didn't want to induce more cons than pros. Putting too much focus on myself would only hurt town.

Hm. I guess if you look for scum you should also look for non-scum. At least that's the way I've been playing. So far it seems to work.

I can see why you'd see that as "parroting", but I think everyone was thinking the same way about you at that point.

You put enough focus on yourself to throw off town with your "big reveal", wasting a few day's worth of valuable time in the process.

If you look for non-scum, and accidentally think of a mafioso as a townie, then they will know that they are fooling players and will continue to play that way. Going after scum can get people nervous enough to slip if they are targeted.

I realize that I have little evidence of anyone being town or scum, but I believe that I'm doing the right thing with this analysis. Exn acted like a ****** for most of the day, then said "oh, just kidding" to mess with people and put the blame on other equally-useless players. On top of this, he thinks it's possible to find scum by pulling **** like this, even though it eats up time and helps the mafia! Finally, he has shown time and time again that he just doesn't care about this game, and only wants to kill of the inactives and vote solely on gut feeling instead of scumhunting. To add tot his, he's encouraging people to scum hunt and stop being useless, even though he's doing neither.

You guys have been anticipating the day that I vote ever since the twelfth page, so here you go:

vote: Exn

 

[DZLE]

*joker claps*

That was a brilliant post, and it had a lot of information. Thank you for making it. Exn is still my number 1 FoS and the person i'm indefinitely ok with lynching this day, so i'm going to put my vote back on him since the day's end is coming closer.

Vote: Exn

(Note, i only took my vote off him in the first place to pressure lythium into posting. when she posted, i took my vote off her.)

 

[Deleted member]

@DZLE-Falz: I agree with you, Dark Ermac's case on Exn was great. My vote stays on him.

 

[Dark_Ermac]

By the way, I'm sorry it was such a thick wall... I didn't realize he made so many posts.

 

[vanderzant]

Good stuff Ermac.

I agree. Exn lurked/avoided the first few pages, then turns around with a big list of Town reads. I honestly don't know how you can be so sure of someone's alignment from Day 1 play alone. I also am not a fan of big lists either, as they just give scum a map to who to keep alive/kill.

Unvote Vote: Exn

It's L-2 now (assuming Lyth's vote still counts) so let's watch our votes ok?

@Mod: What's going on with Lythium?

 

[vanderzant]

EBWOP: Sorry, missed this:

We don't have a replacement for Lythium yet.

 

[Greenstreet]

Also dark_ermac. I appreciate the fact that he is trying to contribute to discussion, but I'll probably suicide if I have read another one of his commentaries.

Thanks for commenting on 33 out of Exn's 35 posts.

Couple of things:

• The bold tags are for avoiding the 10 character minimum in posts.
• Next time you analyse your players can you please be more succinct. Post your conclusion first, and then evidence supporting it. Even just grouping your post better would improve its' effect. There were several times you mentioned inactivity, why not group these together? Have a section where you respond to Exn's accusations on people. Your posts arguments are scattered and messy, and I don't like reading them.
• If people don't like reading your posts then they won't be influenced by them, so put some care into them.
• Don't post useless things. On one of his quotes, your response was "...". You don't have to respond to everything a person has posted so far (you could have the same quality post with less than half the posts you quoted), just a few clear posts that illustrate what you're trying to communicate will do.

TL;DR - succinctness and care is pro-town

Having said that, your post wasn't useless. It's already put another vote on Exn. It's getting closer to the deadline, and I'm against a no-lynch, so if it comes down to it, I'd be willing to change my vote.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

I don't really see why all these people are switching their votes to Exn just because of that post. I mean he's suspicious enough and I wouldn't mind lynching him, but it's not like any of that information is new. It's been there all along, Ermac just put it together.

 

[Xivii]

Now that was a headache. I'm not even sure if explaining myself is any good. Once people get on something, they just don't let go- no matter what you say. I guess I'll try to make myself more clear, but please don't simply skim through what I say, and actually think about what I'm saying.

Responding now. May take a sec.

 

[Dark_Ermac]

I don't really see why all these people are switching their votes to Exn just because of that post. I mean he's suspicious enough and I wouldn't mind lynching him, but it's not like any of that information is new. It's been there all along, Ermac just put it together.

I will not deny that the information was there all along. However, it's like a jigsaw puzzle: I had to assemble all the bits and pieces to make the picture I needed to get a good reading on Exn.

@greenstreet: I realize my post was a bit messy, but I did his posts in chronological order. Plus, by the time I was done with it 2 hours passed, so reformatting it wasn't really a top priority at the time.

I just hope the others will bother to read it.

 

[Dark_Ermac]

Now that was a headache. I'm not even sure if explaining myself is any good. Once people get on something, they just don't let go- no matter what you say. I guess I'll try to make myself more clear, but please don't simply skim through what I say, and actually think about what I'm saying.

Responding now. May take a sec.

All right. Take your time.

I will counter your counter when you post it.

 

[Dark_Ermac]

...?

*cough*

...

Are you done yet?

 

[Deleted member]

@Dark Ermac: I highly doubt thirty minutes is enough for Exn to make a solid counter attack. Please have some patience. It also contradicts your last post where you said Exn should take his time.

 

[The_Guide]

I don't agree with your case on Exn. My vote stays on you.

I'll let Exn defend himself. If he misses anything that I noticed about your wall, I'll chime in.

 

[Overswarm]

Lynch Exn, then Ermac, then DZLE-Falz imo.

 

[Greenstreet]

Lynch Exn, then Ermac, then DZLE-Falz imo.

Unvote. Vote: Exn

You've got the hammer then.

 

[The_Guide]

Unvote Vote Greenstreet

Don't try to end the day, bud.

 

[Dark_Ermac]

@Dark Ermac: I highly doubt thirty minutes is enough for Exn to make a solid counter attack. Please have some patience. It also contradicts your last post where you said Exn should take his time.

Yeah, I should just wait. It took me about 2 hours to finish that analysis on Exn.

OS, before you hammer, just give him time to defend himself, alright?

 

[Overswarm]

Cool. (Good play, Greenstreet)

No one else hammer. If you do, we lynch you tomorrow. The hammer is mine alone.



Ex, you're gonna have to answer a few questions.

First of all, a claim would be nice.

 

[Overswarm]

Unvote Vote Greenstreet

Don't try to end the day, bud.

How many mafia games have you played, out of curiosity?

 

[The_Guide]

2 irl.

One completed on mafiascum. Two unfinished here.

Not gonna lie, I'm not the most experienced player out there.

 

[Overswarm]

That's good for you. If you had responded with more experience than that I probably would have wanted the wagon to switch to you immediately.

 

[Overswarm]

Btw, this Day ends May 30th at the last possible second. That's Sunday.

Tomorrow I'm going out with my girly all day and probably won't post much, if any.

If for some reason I cannot post on Sunday (i.e., you don't see me post) and you haven't seen me hammer by 8 p.m., feel free to hammer.

Other than that, wait.

 

[Overswarm]

(oh, and Ermac, keep talking with Exn.)

 

[vanderzant]

So that's L-1.

Also guide, I have no problem with Exn being put at L-1. It's really the only way we're going to get somewhere on day 1.

 

[The_Guide]

Its not so much the fact that Greenstreet put him at L-1 that worries me. Its that he actually encouraged another player to hammer right after he did so, before Exn could even respond.

 

[Greenstreet]

I just gave him the hammer. What Overswarm does with it is up to him.

 

[Xivii]

Just a little background information. I see that you have some experience, but not much. I'm guessing that this is your first time playing with a pro like OS because you mainly play in the DR, right?

I played with Kevin and Jungle.

~~at this point he becomes inactive for most of the weekend~~


What does he do when he comes back? Votes me due to inactivity. Keep in mind that Nday was less active than I was.

*The first game I played ( With Kevin and Bungle), there was a decent amount of activity on the 1st day. That was when I was able to get most of my reads on people. In the long run, those reads helped me to form my more concrete opinions which turned out to be correct.

*The last game I played (my second game), hardly anyone posted the first day so it was difficult to get any kind of reads, and it was very irritating.

*The other game that I am currently in had a lot of good discussion on D1- up to 875 posts by the end of the day.

In the game we are in now, there was no discussion going on at all earlier. At least nothing important (imo). I did not want it to end up the same way as my second game. To be honest, I didn't know what to post. Seeing that nobody else was posting I decided that I might as well experiment to:

(1) see if I could get activity going, (2) see if I could get some information based on responses, and (3) understand the position someone is in under pressure.

The first was a success. You say that I wasted time that everyone could have used, but to me, everyone was already wasting their own time, and frankly mine as well. I wanted to get activity going, so I did the best way I could think of. This is my third game, and I need to judge for myself the best way to go about things in certain situations. I'm continually learning from more experienced players, but if I simply listen to other people, that will put me in a situation where I am easily manipulated, and it doesn't allow me to advance in my own way.

The second, so far as I can tell, has failed. They may or may not be useful in the future, but right now I don't think I have got too much that can contribute to the group. The responses have probably only been useful to forming my own individual reads on people. I do admit to the failing to benefit the group at this time however.

The third has given me some better understanding of this position. I now know how difficult it is for someone who made a "scummy act" to get out of the heat. People will not get off of it no matter which way you go. Do you explain yourself or do you ignore accusations and move on? Do you give your opinions or do simply let things flow?

No matter what you do, people now have a bias, and will see everything you do as wrong:

Option 1-I explain myself > people tell me I'm making excuses.
Option 2-I ignore accusations > people vote, I get lynched.

Option 1-I question people; pressure inactives > people say I'm just trying to turn the heat on someone else.
Option 2-I simply sit back and watch (OS method) > people say I'm avoiding pressure by lurking.

In all of the games I have played so far, a situation like this has occurred D1, and we ended up either lynching, nearly lynching, or viging a townie just because they made one "mistake" that people could not let go of. Once a "mistake" has been made, people form the bias that they are scummy and see everything they do as scummy, even actions that clearly are not.

I always thought that they were just continuing to make dumb actions that caused their death, but it truly is difficult to not be seen as scummy once you have already made some sort of scummy action.

Anyways, those were the reasons for putting myself in the spot light and what I have gotten from it. I believe all of my conclusions will help me in future mafia games (like for instance, I definitely wont try something like that again, and I also will take more consideration of my biases against someone under the heat).

Like I said, I knew that it would have some negative consequences, but I was hoping that ultimately it would have have more benefit. (Also I admit that I thought it would be best to try such a thing in this game, now, rather than screwing up future games). I didn't waste too much game time on it, people were already wasting their own time. I realize I have already brought some damage simply be placing the suspicion on myself. I'm trying not to waste anymore time, but I have to at least try to keep from getting myself lynched because that will only hurt town even more. There's no way you guys can be sure that I'm telling the truth. But I know I am, So I have to at least try: I am Sheep from Sheep In The Big City. I am Vanilla Town.

Ermac you said that you'll counter my counter-argument like you are so sure that I am scum. With a closed mind like that, all you are doing is continuing to waste our time. You say that I am trying to distract people, but if you are going to fight for this without even trying to understand my view, you're just going to be wasting more of our time. I made a mistake. Don't make it worse.

Posted in response to Clownbot and his pseudo-inactivity. He still posted way more than you did at that point, Exn.


It doesn't take a genius to tell the difference between a scummy player and an inactive player. Just because someone is inactive doesn't mean that they are scum, and you still continued to pressure him and tried to push a lynch even after he starting posting again!


Okay, so first you said that he was "scummy", and now you're saying that you voted him because he "wasn't posting much"? Not posting==inactive, =/=scum. Next time, check his profile for activity before accusing him of taking a backseat and lurking.


Posted in response to someone else asking him to give a reason why he voted Nday. If I was active at this point, I would've voted for him right away for being a *******.


... You were almost as bad as Nday. The three of us together had contributed absolutely nothing at this point, yet you still considered yourself superior over us simply because you had slight "experience" playing against other noobs in the Disco Room!


...


I can acknowledge the fact that there's relatively little to base an accusation on during the early Day 1, but this is just ridiculous. At this point, you were just on a crusade against the players who were away for the weekend, while not contributing much yourself.


An important thing to note about this is that Falz mentioned Exn being a lot more inactive in the game he played in, posting more than just one line per post. If Exn was really trying, he would attempt to take part in the discussion instead of posting one-liners of "I accuse so-and-so because I think they're scum."


Again with the "I'm not going to answer your question as to why I'm voting Nday other than by stating that I already did several pages ago" mentality. Maybe if you didn't do such a ****ty job at explaining why you voted for him the first time, then people wouldn't have to ask you repeatedly!


We don't know yet, because it's near-impossible to tell what side someone is on during D1 unless they really screw up. Enough with the useless posts!


That's absolutely correct, you stated that Nday was scum. That's it. No reasons, other than "he's not posting" or "he's scummy". Also, you can't actively try to not have a playstyle. Everyone has some form of a playstyle. O wait, I get it... the reason you sucked for most of today is because you wanted to cover up the fact that you play differently when mafia. Thus, you played dumb for most of the game, and outright stated that you had no playstyle. I believe that you do have a playstyle- one that involves voting on one player and sticking to them no matter how little evidence you have available to prove their mafia status.


Didn't we already agree that voting based on gut alone isn't a good thing to be doing? Is that what you would do during lylo too? Also, you picked him randomly out of a list of inactive/useless people (excluding yourself)? ...


I agree that it's okay to lynch someone based off of inactivity, if they haven't contributed anything at all to the discussion at hand. However, if someone has been posting at least once per day, I don't recognize that as being completely inactive. Also, did you want to vote for an inactive/useless player when you also proved to be completely useless during this time?


I'm aware of that, but I was too busy at the time to do anything. Now that it's the weekend, I will have much more time to contribute to the game. I'm not going to continue playing with petty little useless posts and empty promises; those were mainly to give me time to post something worth more when I got more time.

No point in explaining these as they have already been explained.

So let me get this straight...

*You decided to act like a complete ****** for the entirety of Day 1 just to give you enough time to collect data on each player to make one large excuse post saying something along the lines of "I know I've been active like a ******, but it was all just a test!"? *You also expect this to clear you as town instantly and make people want to forgive you for wasting everyone's time during most of the day? *I believe that if you never posted anything at all, we would've been posting things more worthwhile and actually beginning to scumhunt instead of being thrown off on a red herring. *The scum list in particular is just an easy way to try to pass blame onto other players, hoping that people will blindly follow an untrustworthy leader to oblivion.

*Well, now that we are very close to the deadline and still without much discussion going on other than "kill Ermac", your secret plan to distract everyone seems to have paid of for the mafia.

Happy now?

This is where you get irritating. Did I say any of that? You're just starting to make stuff up to support your accusation. This is what I mean about how people tunnel after one "mistake/scummy action".

* I suppose if you put it that way.
* I never said this nor thought this. I knew the risks and I am trying to make up for them.
*Because you were definitely doing this before right?
*I can understand this. I'm not 100% sure if this is true or not, but I think only experience will tell.
*If I were mafia, how would it benefit me to put attention on myself? I didn't ''distract'' for that long. Only 12 of my 37 of my post were of my attempt to get things going, all of which were made in 2 days of the 11 in D1. This whole distraction argument is just dumb to me. If I were mafia, it would be illogical to get myself lynched just to keep the focus of my buddies on D1 when scum are hardly detected on D1. Plus, why wouldn't I continue to distract. Why would I even try to keep forward if my strategy was to keep suspicion on me? And is it really that difficult for people to watch more than one person at a time? No. You're making illogical accusations just to support your bias.

But you were making excuses out of the blue. Normally "I was just testing you" means "I have no clue what the **** I'm doing so I'm saying this right now to get the idiotic players off of me".

I wasn't making excuses out of the blue. I knew from the very moment that I said "Vote: Ermac" what I was doing. Like I said, I really wanted to get a response from OS before I told everyone what was up, but since the vote was already at L-2 (At least I thought it was) and OS showed no signs of response, I decided to explain then.

And let me make this clear: I was not "testing you [guys]", it was more of an experiment to see if I could get the game rolling, to see if I could get some info from responses, and to get better understanding of the nature of mafia itself. I wasn't "testing you". You're saying things that I have never said.

Yes, because everyone knows that inactivity == toying with people...

This dominated the first game I played. We would have had a chance of winning, but people ignored the way they (the scum) were playing. I caught it, but by then it was too late.

Not letting that happen again.

*he thinks it's possible to find scum by pulling **** like this, even though it eats up time and helps the mafia! *Finally, he has shown time and time again that he just doesn't care about this game, and only wants to kill of the inactives and vote solely on gut feeling instead of scumhunting. To add tot his, he's encouraging people to scum hunt and stop being useless, even though he's doing neither.

*Dude it's only my 3rd game (Don't even take this as my trying to play noob role. I've seen this all too many times). If it's not possible then I guess I am learning so.

*I do care. I wouldn't be going through the trouble of even defending myself if I didn't.

* Quote Ermac: "D1 isn't the day for active scumhunting."

"Day 1 is the day where no one has any proof about anything regarding player alignment. Due to this, most lynches will just be based off of accusations instead of fact."

Which do you want me to do? This is exactly what I mean by how no matter what one does, after people get tunneling, it will always be a lose-lose situation.

*I'm trying to make up for it.

 

[Xivii]

Color coded for better comprehension and to avoid just a wall of white text.

 

[vanderzant]

Uh, unvote for now. I kind of liked that post Exn, and I don't know if I'd really expect to find that from scum. You seem to understand that what you did was scummy (you aren't trying to deny it) and are at least trying to play the game.

Exn, I don't recall that you've posted your main suspect for scum (since those reads you gave earlier)? Also what's your opinion on Ermac?

@All: Are we still willing to shoot for non contributors? What about Lythium?

 

[vanderzant]

EBWOP: "main suspect for scum" should be interchangeable with "player you're willing to lynch"

 

[Xivii]

I have a lot of suspicions, but not really much I could build a solid case on. I would probably go with the most inactive which is Lythium/Replacement.

 

[Xivii]

Missed this.

Also what's your opinion on Ermac?

My opinion on Ermac is still the same. His whole game is suspicious to me. But like I said, I can't build a solid case so I'm not even going to push towards that. Also the way his PBP analysis is set up is irritating. He post like the person has already responded to the former parts of the analysis, which makes is later accusation seem more concrete.

 

[ndayday]

Great posts, Exn and Ermac.

I keep my vote where it's at right now. I'll be gone all today and I'm guessing all tomorrow. I don't know the extent of my mini-vacation for sure though. So yeah. Sorry guys.