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[Dark_Ermac]

I believe I might find some sort of accidental contradiction somewhere that the town can use to their benefit.

 

[Clownbot]

I would like to lynch anyone not contributing at this point. It's been days into Day1 and most of what has been said is completely useless.

I agree completely, man.

Unvote

Vote Exn

 

[Xivii]

I'm not dead!

I'll reread when I get the chance... I was busy this weekend.

I'll reread when I get the chance... too late today.

I'm so glad this game is only at 12 pages... I might be able to jump back in tomorrow, if I get lucky.

I might have to go with a gut feeling...

Tomorrow, I'm going to single out posts of each player, and pick apart what I can gather from it.

Second thought, Dark Ermac is becoming more suspicious to me and more usless (definitely more useless than me).

First he says he was gone all weekend and that he would reread and post the next day. That was yesterday. Now he is again saying that today he will reread and post tomorrow. He keeps giving little remarks that he is going to do something, but has yet to. I have a feeling he is going to continue playing this way. He is playing this same exact way in another mafia game. I understood in that game because it was a lot to read, but in this game everything could be read within 10 minutes. And most of it is useless.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

If he doesn't have something up by tomorrow, I'll be suspicious. But at this point, my vote stays on you.

 

[Greenstreet]

Since clownbots vote was already on Exn, he is sitting at L-2.

 

[Dark_Ermac]

As of now, I have in fact read everything in this topic. I still need to analyze everything further than most people might deem necessary.

As for why I'm stalling in the other game... That game has more than 50 pages now, most of which sprung up during my period of inactivity. Now that I'm down to 2 games, I can focus more on these two.

Plus, as mentioned previously in this one or the other, I was cluster****ed for the weekend. I'm in the aftershock stage right now. Wait until tomorrow.

 

[vanderzant]

@Mod: Request Vote Count

I want to see if there's a wagon on Exn yet. I think alot of people were forgetting to unvote as well.

I'd like to pose a question to everyone: at this point, is there a specific person you're willing to lynch? Who is this person? Most importantly, why this person as opposed to someone else? If there isn't anyone, then would you be okay with a no lynch?

No lynches (especially if there are inactives floating about) aren't very beneficial for town, especially since Scum probably won't be picking off our inactives for us. I'm fine with Exn or Ermac if neither of them start do anything. I mentioned earlier that I'd like a wagon on Ermac, and the same holds true for Exn (not sure if there is one already).

IMO town needs to be less concerned with putting people at L-3 and more concerned with actual pressure and scumhunting.

Tomorrow, I'm going to single out posts of each player, and pick apart what I can gather from it.

Can't wait.

 

[vanderzant]

I might pick one of these three if I can't piece together something to use in time for the deadline.

Seriously? How do you have time to keep posting "Guys I'll post tomorrow, promise!" if you haven't even responded to the incredibly small posts you mentioned there.

Only myself and SSBF actually voted you. Nothing anyone else has said is incredibly relevant to you either, so you basically have 2 votes you have to respond to.

The rest of the thread is basically questions and answers. No actual scum hunting has been done IMO, or at least anything of substance. Again, this is why I want a wagon so we can at least get somewhere...

 

[Greenstreet]

Vrael and Lythium did not unvote. So to correct my last post, Exn has only 3 votes. My bad.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

vote count
SSBF (1) - Lythium
Nday (1) - Vrael
Dark_Ermac (2) - Vanderzant, Exn
Exn (3) - Clownbot, Dzle-falz, SSBF
Greenstreet (1) - The Guide

not voting (4): dark_ermac, overswarm, Greenstreet, Nday

Please be sure to take note and inform me of any mistakes made.

dead is last second of May 30th EST!
with 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch!

 

[Xivii]

Ok enough of this. Here's what's up.

First of all, I would never be that obvious if I were scum...

I hope this doesn't hurt town in the long run, but seeing as the game was going no where, I had to experiment. I voted for both Dark Ermac and Nday simply for reaction purpose. I had reason for Dark Ermac, but I omitted it solely to see what kind of responses it would bring forth. Since nobody else seemed to be doing anything I figured I would have to bring out some info on my own. This is basically what I've gotten from all this. I know that normally people don't like scum list and all that, but that's how I just how I do so deal please.

Clownbot
He uses the threat of a vote to its full potential. I believe (Though I'm not sure) that he has changed his vote more times than anyone in the game so far (Not taking RVS into account). He has immediately voted upon the smallest of insights. Once somebody has said something iffy, he has investigated instantly using the threat of his vote. This is exemplified in posts #47, #59, and #128. The last one was after I voted for Ermac. Take note that everyone after that simply puts FoS on me rather than voting. Clownbots boldness could mean that he doesn't care about looking like an opportunist because he's not mafia, or that he is simply an opportunist. Due to his experience and other factors, I find the latter to be less likely. Only time will tell which of the two it is, I just wanted to note that that is how he has been playing. The significance of it might not come apparent until later on. *Also he placed even more pressure by voting for me again. This action could have been a scum act trying to get more on me though and to cause confusion. (I surely was confused until Green noted that he voted twice).

SSBF
I took notice that SSBF only placed a bit of FoS on me after my random Nday vote. I figured what I was doing was fairly obvious and that mafia would be cautious of jumping on it right away. So far though, nothing SSBF has said seems suspicious. Most of what he said so far makes sense, and I don't see any contradictions. My feelings about him right now are neutral.

Vrael
He started out with only FoS after my random Nday vote, and as I continued to act like a ****** he became more and more fed up until finally voting for me- on his own. Vrael is coming off as town to me. Solely based of his reaction that's what I'm getting.

Lythium
Coming off as scum to me. And we haven't gotten far. It may be unintentional, but so far all she has done is parrot. First with her FoS, and then when voting right after Vrael decided to. Really seemed like a bandwagon type of thing imo. I recall her playing this way in the last game I played with her, upon another player who was playing pretty noobish and was an easy target. I know the consequences of metaing (or w/e you guys call it), but Lyth is fairly new so I doubt she has multiple playing styles. This is an extremely early accusation though so don't take much of it. Just my thoughts.

DZLE
Getting townie read mostly. His early vote on me (votes before the long chain of bandwagoning after Vrael) give me the slight impression that it was pressure rather than scummy.

I believe that's everyone who reacted to my actions. I have thoughts on everyone else as well, but I'll make that in a different post so this doesn't end up as a wall of text that everyone ignores. Also, the main person I was trying to get a reaction from was OS. I don't want to explain that now though. Just know that's why I continued to keep playing as I was. But since I'm already at L-2, now is the time to stop. I knew this would be a risk, but I don't actually want to hurt town by getting myself lynched. btw if 2 people jump on the wagon now, just know they are scum (obv.)

 

[Clownbot]

For the record I was aware that I had my vote on you before un- and re-voting. I figured others did as well (and apologize if you missed that).

Welcome to the game, good man!

Unvote

 

[Xivii]

What was your reason for doing so?

 

[DZLE]

I'd like to pose a question to everyone: at this point, is there a specific person you're willing to lynch? Who is this person? Most importantly, why this person as opposed to someone else? If there isn't anyone, then would you be okay with a no lynch?

I'm willing to lynch Exn at this point. He is useless at the moment. I don't have an opinion on a No-lynch at this point.

I would like to lynch anyone not contributing at this point. It's been days into Day1 and most of what has been said is completely useless.

Especially what you have said, has been useless.

Second thought, Dark Ermac is becoming more suspicious to me and more usless (definitely more useless than me).
Ehhh that's a stretch.

If he doesn't have something up by tomorrow, I'll be suspicious. But at this point, my vote stays on you.

I'll agree with this post.

 

[Clownbot]

I suppose you could say I was adding to the pressure. Most I could do with my vote already on you.

 

[DZLE]

Also, at this point after reading your wall, I simply see it as you nervously making excuses for your lousy and lazy playing. You still seem most scummy out of this whole group thus far to me.

 

[Overswarm]

Clownbot, why haven't you asked me to post more?

 

[Clownbot]

Clownbot, why haven't you asked me to post more?

Why are you asking me specifically?

I suppose it's because you've contributed about as much as most people have. To me, at least.

 

[Overswarm]

Why are you asking me specifically?

I suppose it's because you've contributed about as much as most people have. To me, at least.

From all the players I can see, you're the best player in the game. I've been waiting to see what person puts 2 and 2 together and realizes OS is lurking which... isn't OS. Was wondering why you hadn't caught it.

 

[Xivii]

Also, at this point after reading your wall, I simply see it as you nervously making excuses for your lousy and lazy playing. You still seem most scummy out of this whole group thus far to me.

Obvious response is obvious. Don't ask me to explain myself and then tell me I'm nervously making excuses out of the blue.

 

[Clownbot]

You were scum in the one game I played with you. Sure, you posted walls, but who's to say that part of your playstyle is consistent? I've never seen you play in a game where you were Town.

And like I said before, you've been doing as much as most others and more than one or two others.

 

[vanderzant]

First of all, I would never be that obvious if I were scum...

WIFOM but whatever.

The rest of your list is basically saying you think these 4 players are town (apart from Lythium). Now as much as I like to see you contributing, lists like these are easy for scum to make and use. Since scum basically know who is who, it's easy for them to correctly name "x" amount of players as town correctly, and possibly lump a scum mate in as well.

FOS: Exn if it isn't already apparent.

 

[Xivii]

WIFOM but whatever.

Had to be said either way. Otherwise people would continue to question why I wasn't explaining myself.

The rest of your list is basically saying you think these 4 players are town (apart from Lythium). Now as much as I like to see you contributing, lists like these are easy for scum to make and use. Since scum basically know who is who, it's easy for them to correctly name "x" amount of players as town correctly, and possibly lump a scum mate in as well.

Actually I only said I think two are kind of townish. Clownbot I'm not so sure of because he is harder to read, the other three are easier.

Also I'll keep that in mind.

 

[DZLE]

Obvious response is obvious. Don't ask me to explain myself and then tell me I'm nervously making excuses out of the blue.

I never told you to do anything. I just said you were being useless and stupid.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

vote count
SSBF (1) - Lythium
Nday (1) - Vrael
Dark_Ermac (2) - Vanderzant, Exn
Exn (3) - Clownbot, Dzle-falz, SSBF
Greenstreet (1) - The Guide

not voting (4): dark_ermac, overswarm, Greenstreet, Nday

Please be sure to take note and inform me of any mistakes made.

dead is last second of May 30th EST!
with 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch!

My vote is on Exn.

No lynches (especially if there are inactives floating about) aren't very beneficial for town, especially since Scum probably won't be picking off our inactives for us. I'm fine with Exn or Ermac if neither of them start do anything. I mentioned earlier that I'd like a wagon on Ermac, and the same holds true for Exn (not sure if there is one already).

After Exn's post, has this changed? Are you still alright with voting Ermac?

IMO town needs to be less concerned with putting people at L-3 and more concerned with actual pressure and scumhunting.

What are you planning to do to add pressure and scumhunt?

 

[Greenstreet]

My vote is on Exn.

You didn't unvote when you voted him so it didn't count.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

Ughhh wtf.

I'll just Unvote now that Exn has decided to contribute.

 

[vanderzant]

After Exn's post, has this changed? Are you still alright with voting Ermac?

I'm fine to let Exn slide for now. I want to see what others have to say about him.

I want to hear from Ermac as well.

What are you planning to do to add pressure and scumhunt?

Ask questions, give my opinion, look at others, etc.

 

[Greenstreet]

As far as activity/contribution goes, my suspicions lie more so on dark_ermac, delaying contribution at least 6 times so far.

 

[Xivii]

I just went through everyone's posts. So far every person has made some sort of accusation or vote except for OS, Nday, and Ermac. OS has asked a few questions and pointed out a few things, but I'm not sure if he is just watching for scum or if he is just cruising. Nday hasn't said anything, but he seems to be online every time I check. And Ermac is obviously playing games.

Overswarm- Who are your top 3 suspicions at this point. And why?

Nday- Why haven't you been posting? Have you read through everything yet? And what do you think about my explanation for playing the way I was?

Ermac- I'd love to hear your thoughts on everything soon.


I would expect the most experienced players. Out of the three most experienced players (OS, SSBF, and CB), SSBF has been doing the most (though most of his statements are ridiculous). OS and CB I would expect more from.

 

[Xivii]

I would expect the most from experienced players.

Edi .

 

[Dark_Ermac]

Okay, I will start analyzing now.

Starting with Nday, from the point of RVS end to the present.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

What's the deadline for D1?

 

[Overswarm]

I have my suspicions, and am posting nothing. You can deal with it.

Like you said, I'm one of the more experienced players in this game and I'm either mafia or not. If I am town and I start posting suspicions and I'm on a roll, mafia won't let me live past N1. I'll give my input when it's prudent to do so.

If you have actual specific questions, I'll happily answer them.

 

[Dark_Ermac]

All right, let's see what I got here...

I've played I think 3 games in the Disco Room.



GUYS IM NOT MAFIA OK



Going on purely wim has really seemed bad in the past for me (although it has never got me lynched). You have to go back and look for stuff that supports your hunch, and that can be really hard if the player you chose is being a really good townie. So yeah. I don't like just hunch stuff.

vote: rPSI
Implying DR is inexperienced

Okay, so you stated that you played 3 DR games. I'm not quite sure what the Disco Room is, as it wasn't here when I first joined/left, but I guess that amounts to a little experience.

I like how you go talk about your playstyle and tendency to be reluctant about voting someone without solid evidence, only to vote someone on little to nothing. I'll accept this solely for being during RVS.

Underlined, when you said that someone was being a really good townie, did you mean to say that they were being good at faking town if they were mafia? At least, that's why I interpreted it as.

RVS Ended after this post, so...

I'd like for you to not point stuff like this right as it happens, because if you say that to someone that's mafia, guess what they'll be sure not to do later in the game. By all means, keep stuff like that in mind though. Lots of reasoning that you can stack against a mafia member is better then small instances that they can say were mistakes etc.

Kinda busy right at the moment, I'll post a bit later.

I pseudo-agree with this. It's not hard for someone to change their mannerisms if they are mafia, but sometimes the change is blatantly obvious compared to other games. If they mention being "conservative this time" when they are normally on the offense, that's usually a sign of scum.

I can't really tell by just looking, so I'll ask.

How many games of mafia has everyone played here?

Irrelevant to the game.

Sorry guys, I've been gone all weekend. I'll respond in a little bit here to stuff that has happened.

Curious as to why you think I'm scum, Exn.

Inactivity, I believe.

Oh, missed this post I guess.


Yeah, I was gone all weekend. Sorry.
unvote, by the way.

It looks like this guy is in a similar boat as I am. Neither of us were able to do much this weekend, and the topic practically sprang up from nothing. Overall, this guy seems like a prime lynching target* if the game is close to deadline. He voted only once, during RVS, so he's not contradicting his playstyle, yet he doesn't do any scumhunting. I guess he just doesn't have a target to tunnel yet. To me, he hasn't contributed enough to get a clear reading yet, so for the moment I'll refuse to lynch for him.

*prime lynching target =/= good lynching target. It means that the player is most likely to be lynched on a tight deadline when the town wants to lynch.

 

[The_Guide]

Yay, my finals are done! *can now play mafia to hearts content

Also, Unvote

Vote: Dark_Ermac

If thats the case we've been waiting for, I'm dissapointed.

Also, @ Greenstreet: I misinterpreted a bit of what you said in one of your quotes. I forget what my exact words were, but I remember you replied to it by saying "when did I say that?". My bad.

My family wants to take me out to dinner right now, to celebrate the end of my high school days, so I'll post more when I get back.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

I have my suspicions, and am posting nothing. You can deal with it.

Like you said, I'm one of the more experienced players in this game and I'm either mafia or not. If I am town and I start posting suspicions and I'm on a roll, mafia won't let me live past N1.

While that may be the case, you could also be scum and just be using that as an excuse to not post.

 

[Deleted member]

Dark Ermac's case on Nday is actually decent. Here's to hoping he pulls through with his promise to look at other players. His mass inactivity still makes me slightly suspicious, but he is at least trying to recover from that.

I actually do agree with giving out opinions on everyone and not just scums, although I don't want to go further into that argument because people other then me and Exn hate it.

@Exn: It's nice to see you starting to contribute to the game, but you contradicted yourself. once:

Most of what he said so far makes sense.

(though most of his statements are ridiculous).

Why did it change from that first quote to that second quote? I didn't even post between those times.

 

[Dark_Ermac]

Second player coming up shortly...

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

Yay, my finals are done! *can now play mafia to hearts content

Also, Unvote

Vote: Dark_Ermac

If thats the case we've been waiting for, I'm dissapointed.

Also, @ Greenstreet: I misinterpreted a bit of what you said in one of your quotes. I forget what my exact words were, but I remember you replied to it by saying "when did I say that?". My bad.

My family wants to take me out to dinner right now, to celebrate the end of my high school days, so I'll post more when I get back.

I think he's doing a case for each player.