Captain Falcon's Knee

[Tik]

Justice will be served!​

It looks as Falcon is returning with his former glory (chest thrusting power included).

But what of the rest of his magnificent moveset, aside from the obvious Falcon Punch/Kick and Raptor Boost? Will they return with the same ferocity and might as they have had in the previous games?

I'm personally hoping that the KNEE OF JUSTICE is similar to it's melee counterpart. I would give anything for that amazing attack to return.

Beautiful.

 

[The Shadow]

Hopefully it will receive a buff hopefully.

 

[•Col•]

Classic video to build up hype;

I think we ALL want the glory of the Melee knee to return.

 

[-TAG-]

Faster start-up, a hitbox that doesn't end in a blink of an eye, and lower landing lag. These buffs put together will make it a thing to feared. and make him say "YESH!" everytime he lands one on someone.

 

[Tik]

and make him say "YESH!" everytime he lands one on someone.

I feel like this is actually a pretty big possibility, considering how often characters seem to speak/grunt compared to previous games.

Fox seemed to yell for a good portion of his attacks, let's hope Falcon will do the same.

 

[Malkior7]

Oh yes the fabled Knee of Justice. such power.

 

[FalconOwnage]

defeats , , AND Chrom.


Let's assume he used the knee on Chrom, but what happened to Lucina and Robin?

 

[Twewy]

Let's assume he used the knee on Chrom, but what happened to Lucina and Robin?

The ESRB'd have to get involved if they showed how bad the Captain beat down those two.

 

[Tik]

but what happened to Lucina and Robin?

Some things are better left unsaid.

[COLLAPSE="-"]
Do you think he wears the helmet for HIS safety?

[/COLLAPSE]

 

[Uffe]

He'd better get his power back, and I mean all of what he had in Melee. The Knee without any Justice is unjustified.

 

[Raise]

I need knees for days

 

[Spoa]

He's not the hero we deserve, but he's the one we get knee-d by

 

[Canuckduck]

Hopefully it will receive a buff hopefully.

I agree, Malcolm.

 

[Tik]

He's not the hero we deserve, but he's the one we get knee-d by

That's a real

-slapper.
I really

-ed that one.


I'm sorry.

 

[Canuckduck]

That's a real

-slapper.
I really

-ed that one.


I'm sorry.

Shouldn't it actually be this?

I really

-DED that one.


I'll go to my corner now...

 

[HeavyLobster]

There really knee-ds to be a way to combo into the glorious Knee of Justice.

 

[Ultinarok]

Every single one of Falcon's moves should be the knee of justice.

Uair? Upward Knee.
Dair? Downward Knee.
Bair? Backward Knee.
Stilt? Knee.
Jab? Knee. (and not the one that's already there).
Falcon Punch? Falcon Punch.

 

[Tik]

Every single one of Falcon's moves should be the knee of justice.
Bair? Backward Knee.

People said that a Knee Back Air couldn't be done, but I've created a brief prototype.

[COLLAPSE="Behold!"]

[/COLLAPSE]

 

[Chandeelure]

 

[Captain Norris]

The title says it all. It is high risk/reward. It has huge Landing lag frames (30+). However, most people are calling it bad, but the knee has almost always been used as a finisher, so that isn't much of a problem honestly.
I have questions that need answering:
Is the Knee buffed via sweetspot?
Can it be auto canncelled?

And to you:
What are your thoughts on the Knee of Justic this time around?

 

[Masonomace]

Where did you get that the Knee Smash F-air has a 30 frame landing lag window in Sm4sh?

All of your questions are questions no one but Sakurai can answer or until the game is released & people are playing it to tell you. To answer them hypothetically, I'd say:

• Hopefully, but in the picture above it doesn't necessarily show it has been buffed.
• Assuming it returns, then yes if we buffer the ShortHop F-air input quick enough.

My thoughts: I'd like his Knee of Justicecream to be almost as cheesy as it was in Melee, yet with that kind of movement & mobility reduced to Brawl speed & now a mix of in-between Melee & Brawl, the fear factor of the Knee's presence won't be the same, though may be compensated with more launch power than Brawl's.

 

[Captain Norris]

Where did you get that the Knee Smash F-air has a 30 frame landing lag window in Sm4sh?

All of your questions are questions no one but Sakurai can answer or until the game is released & people are playing it to tell you. To answer them hypothetically, I'd say:

• Hopefully, but in the picture above it doesn't necessarily show it has been buffed.
• Assuming it returns, then yes if we buffer the ShortHop F-air input quick enough.

My thoughts: I'd like his Knee of Justicecream to be almost as cheesy as it was in Melee, yet with that kind of movement & mobility reduced to Brawl speed & now a mix of in-between Melee & Brawl, the fear factor of the Knee's presence won't be the same, though may be compensated with more launch power than Brawl's.

there has been footage of the new Japanese Demo. That is where I am basing my info on.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

The knee is landed 3 times throughout the one video we have, and each time it seems significantly better than its Brawl counterpart both with its hitbox and its power. So yeah, like you said, it's a risk=reward move now, which is a buff compared to its sluggish Brawl version which is too hard to land and gives very little reward for doing so. I'm fine with it, while I'll probably always love the Melee version the most I think it's a beyond cool finisher anyways.

 

[Masonomace]

there has been footage of the new Japanese Demo. That is where I am basing my info on.

Link prease

 

[Captain Norris]

Link prease

Give me a sec. I will find it. Although, not much is shown. I'll edit this post
EDIT: Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLYHN2bQtLo

 

[Devil G.]

The knee is landed 3 times throughout the one video we have, and each time it seems significantly better than its Brawl counterpart both with its hitbox and its power. So yeah, like you said, it's a risk=reward move now, which is a buff compared to its sluggish Brawl version which is too hard to land and gives very little reward for doing so. I'm fine with it, while I'll probably always love the Melee version the most I think it's a beyond cool finisher anyways.

I agree completely, I'm perfectly fine with it being more risky but at the same time more powerful. Perfect.

 

[Masonomace]

Give me a sec. I will find it. Although, not much is shown. I'll edit this post
EDIT: Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLYHN2bQtLo

Personally could not tell what knees he landed i nthe video because shaking / moving / out of focus filming. But his practice stage time before starting the battle did show his SH F-air input buffered does have landing lag & a fair amount of it too. Thanks for Posting that.

EDIT: I was able to see at least one moment of his Knee making contact. It looked so powerful I'm content.

 

[Captain Norris]

Yeah. I couldn't find the Gif of it, but Someone made a gif of the knee, counting its frames. I hope the sweetspot is biiger than brawls.

The knee is landed 3 times throughout the one video we have, and each time it seems significantly better than its Brawl counterpart both with its hitbox and its power. So yeah, like you said, it's a risk=reward move now, which is a buff compared to its sluggish Brawl version which is too hard to land and gives very little reward for doing so. I'm fine with it, while I'll probably always love the Melee version the most I think it's a beyond cool finisher anyways.

haha true. I think this mixed in with all of his other low land lag aerials will make him great

 

[Devil G.]

Yeah. I couldn't find the Gif of it, but Someone made a gif of the knee, counting its frames. I hope the sweetspot is biiger than brawls.

There =P

 

[Captain Norris]

There =P

Thanks! ^.^

 

[Masonomace]

I'm always content with reading a Full Hop approach with a challenge punish FH F-air. No big deal to me if I can't buffer the SH F-air input.

 

[StarLight42]

That is some DISGUSTING landing lag. Hopefully it's high/risk reward and hopefully other characters don't feature this much lag.

 

[HeavyLobster]

The Knee looks like it'll be more powerful and has a better hitbox than Brawl's. Hopefully Falcon will have some way to combo into it reliably, because if you whiff, it won't be pretty.

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

It looks like the same landing lag in Brawl. Hopefully, you can auto cancel in like in Brawl too. Believe or not, that weak hit had some great uses an can lead into a gentleman cancel. SH Fair>jab~jab>gentleman~jab cancel>grab>throw is a legit Brawl set up.

Honestly, I'm more curious to see of you can cancel his gentleman with another jab. That and his rapid jab finisher.

 

[Terrazi Terrajin]

It looks like the same landing lag in Brawl. Hopefully, you can auto cancel in like in Brawl too. Believe or not, that weak hit had some great uses an can lead into a gentleman cancel. SH Fair>jab~jab>gentleman~jab cancel>grab>throw is a legit Brawl set up.

Honestly, I'm more curious to see of you can cancel his gentleman with another jab. That and his rapid jab finisher.

Could have sworn CF's only legit combo in brawl was down throw into taunt?

 

[Weeman]

Well judging by the posts of this guy about the game, he seems better than Brawl, and that the Knee is easier to sweetspot.
https://twitter.com/WeinhofferBen/with_replies

 

[Silvalfo]

There =P

Brawl knee had 22 landing lag frames. It was at least partially safe against shields on characters with low range/traction like Luigi because of its massive pushback.

33/34 is a terrible number, but since he gets up all of a sudden when the landing lag ends, I hope there might be a few IASA frames.

Is it confirmed that SH Fair isn't autocanceled? The .gif just shows Falcon already airborne.

 

[Captain Norris]

Brawl knee had 22 landing lag frames. It was at least partially safe against shields on characters with low range/traction like Luigi because of its massive pushback.

33/34 is a terrible number, but since he gets up all of a sudden when the landing lag ends, I hope there might be a few IASA frames.

Is it confirmed that SH Fair isn't autocanceled? The .gif just shows Falcon already airborne.

I have no idea. That is still one of my questions

 

[Terrazi Terrajin]

Looks like I'm going back to fullhop knee gimmicks again then.

 

[Weeman]

According to Zipzo, the knee is still really powerful, and it's easier to sweetspot, but as we know already it has really long landing lag.