Captain Falcon Shield Pressure Data (WIP)

[Wiseman.]

-------------=Falcon's Shield Pressure Data=-------------
Comment: I apologize for my long absence from these boards. However, I will now commence documenting the shield pressure options the various characters in this game have. This section is Captain Falcon's. I might add the frame data on the Dair as well, but testing rendered it less viable than Bair or Knee anyway due to being slower and having less shield stun and more lag.

Red = No Shield stun
Green = Shield stun

Jab (first)
1 Jab starts
2
3 / 3 Jab hits
4 / hitlag
5 / hitlag
6 / 4
7 / 5
8 / 6 Stun ends
9 / 7
10 / 8
11 / 9 IASA into second jab
12 / 10
13 / 11
14 / 12
15 / 13
16 / 14
17 / 15
18 / 16 IASA anything else
19 / 17
20 / 18
21 / 19
22 / 20
23 / 21

Double Jab
1 First Jab starts
2
3 / 3 Jab hits
4 / hitlag
5 / hitlag
6 / 4
7 / 5
8 / 6 Stun ends
9 / 7
10 / 8
11 / 9 Second jab starts
12 / 10
13 / 11
14 / 12
15 / 13 Second jab hits
16 / hitlag
17 / hitlag
18 / hitlag
19 / 14
20 / 15
21 / 16
22 / 17 Stun ends, IASA gentleman
23 / 18
24 / 19
25 / 20
26 / 21
27 / 22
28 / 23
29 / 24
30 / 25
31 / 26 IASA anything else
32 / 27
33 / 28

Gentleman
1 First Jab starts
2
3 / 3 Jab hits
4 / hitlag
5 / hitlag
6 / 4
7 / 5
8 / 6 Stun ends
9 / 7
10 / 8
11 / 9 Second jab starts
12 / 10
13 / 11
14 / 12
15 / 13 Second jab hits
16 / hitlag
17 / hitlag
18 / hitlag
19 / 14
20 / 15
21 / 16
22 / 17 Stun ends, Gentleman starts
23 / 18
24 / 19
25 / 20
26 / 21
27 / 22 Gentleman hits
28 / hitlag
29 / hitlag
30 / hitlag
31 / hitlag
32 / 23
33 / 24
34 / 25
36 / 26
37 / 27 Stun ends
38 / 28
39 / 29
40 / 30
41 / 31
42 / 32

Comment: I may very well be wrong on how many frames of recovery time the Gentleman has, as I have yet to figure out how to cancel it in Frame-By-Frame mode.

Dtilt
1 Dtilt starts
2
3
4
5
5
6
7
8
9
10 / Dtilt hits
11 / hitlag
12 / hitlag
13 / hitlag
14 / hitlag
15 / hitlag
16 / hitlag
17 / 11
18 / 12
19 / 13
20 / 14
21 / 15
22 / 16
23 / 17
24 / 18 Stun ends
25 / 19
26 / 20
27 / 21
28 / 22
29 / 23
30 / 24
31 / 25
32 / 26
33 / 27
34 / 28
35 / 29
36 / 30
37 / 31
38 / 32
39 / 33
40 / 34
41 / 35 IASA

Ftilt
1 Ftilt starts
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9 / 9 Ftilt hits
10 /hitlag
11 / hitlag
12 / hitlag
13 / hitlag
14 / hitlag
15 / 10
16 / 11
17 / 12
18 / 13
19 / 14
20 / 15
21 / 16 Stun ends
22 / 17
23 / 18
24 / 19
25 / 20
26 / 21
27 / 22
28 / 23
29 / 24
30 / 25
31 / 26
32 / 27
33 / 28
34 / 29

Low Short Hop Knee
1 Jump starts
2
3
4
5 Airborne
5
6
7
8
9
10
11 Knee starts
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21 Fastfall
22
23
24 / 24 Knee hits
25 / hitlag
26 / hitlag
27 / hitlag
28 / hitlag
29 / hitlag
30 / hitlag
31 / hitlag
32 / hitlag
33 / landlag
34 / landlag
35 / landlag
36 / landlag
37 / landlag
38 / landlag
39 / landlag
40 / landlag
41 / landlag
42 / 25
43 / Stun ends

High Short Hop Knee (Works only on taller characters)
1
2
3
4
5 Airborne, Knee starts
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19 / 19 Knee hits
20 / hitlag
21 / hitlag
22 / hitlag
23 / hitlag
24 / hitlag
25 / hitlag
26 / hitlag
27 / hitlag
28 / 20
29 / 21 Fastfall
30 / 22
31 / 23
32 / 24
33 / landlag
34 / landlag
35 / landlag
36 / landlag
37 / landlag
38 / landlag, Stun ends
39 / landlag
40 / landlag
41 / landlag

Nair
1 Jump starts
2
3
4
5 Airborne, Nair starts
6
7
8
9
10
11 / 11 First hit of Nair hits
12 / hitlag
13 / hitlag
14 / hitlag
15 / hitlag
16 / 12
17 / 13
18 / 14
19 / 15
20 / 16 Stun ends
21 / 17
22 / 18
23 / 19
24 / 20
25 / 21
26 / 23
27 / 23
28 / 24 Second hit of Nair hits
29 / hitlag
30 / hitlag
31 / hitlag
32 / hitlag
33 / landlag
34 / landlag
35 / landlag
36 / landlag
37 / landlag
38 / landlag, Stun ends
39 / landlag
40 / 25

IASA Bair
1 Jump starts
2
3
4
5 Airborne, Bair starts
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14 / 14 Bair hits
15 / hitlag
16 / hitlag
17 / hitlag
18 / hitlag
19 / hitlag
20 / hitlag
21 / 15
22 / 16
23 / 17
24 / 18
25 / 19
26 / 20
27 / 21
28 / 22
29 / 23 Stun ends
30 / 24
31 / 25
32 / 26
33 / 27
34 / 28
35 / 29
36 / 30
37 / 31
38 / 32
39 / 33 IASA

Autocanceled High Bair
1 Jump starts
2
3
4
5 Airborne, Bair starts
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14 / 14 Bair hits
15 / hitlag
16 / hitlag
17 / hitlag
18 / hitlag
19 / hitlag
20 / hitlag
21 / 15
22 / 16
23 / 17
24 / 18
25 / 19
26 / 20 Fastfall
27 / 21
28 / 22
29 / 23 Stun ends
30 / 24
31 landlag
31 landlag
32 landlag
33 landlag

Late Bair
1 Jump starts
2
3
4
5 Airborne
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15 Bair starts
16
17
18
19
20
21 Fastfall
22
23
24 / 24 Bair hits
25 / hitlag
26 / hitlag
27 / hitlag
28 / hitlag
29 / hitlag
30 / hitlag
31 / landlag
32 / landlag
33 / landlag
34 / landlag
35 / landlag
36 / landlag
37 / landlag
38 / landlag
39 / landlag, Stun ends
40 / 25

Late Uair
1 Jump starts
2
3
4
5 Airborne
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21 Uair starts
22 Fastfall
23
24
25
26 / 26 Uair hits
27 / hitlag
28 / hitlag
29 / hitlag
30 / hitlag
31 / hitlag
32 / hitlag
33 / landlag
34 / landlag
35 / landlag
36 / landlag
37 / landlag
38 / landlag
39 / landlag
40 / 27 Stun ends

 

[0Room]

Cool stuff
as far as shield pressure this is what we already have


Shield Pressure
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9849832&postcount=9291
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12345397&postcount=15988
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12592552&postcount=16962

 

[Bamesy]

ftilt even more my fave now? :D

 

[ETWIST51294]

Bamesy? Damn, where have you been bro?

 

[Hax]

if i'm reading your charts correctly then this confirms what M2K's been telling me lately: a perfectly timed SH knee (so that it hits the very bottom of their shield) lets you grab them before they can shieldgrab you (since you have a 2 frame advantage)

thats ****

 

[0Room]

Yeah Hax, it's pretty awesome
But I keep doing it too high :/

 

[ETWIST51294]

I doin that **** from now on.

 

[Hax]

that 2011 ****

 

[0Room]

so basically what I can tell is

low knee and low uair are the only things that you can get away with on shield

 

[Deleted member]

gunna steal knee --> grab

thanks

great find

even if you don't do it perfect if you knee --> gentleman a lot they'll probably hold block when you do knee--> grab

 

[Strong Badam]

knee grab and knee gentleman mixups are his main forms of shield pressure. when I get home (monday) I'll be able to tell you the actual IASA on gentleman, but if you want to test it just perform it as fast as possible while only pressing a for 1 frame to input the first two jabs, then hold A for the third one and then input a left dash and then a right dash every other frame to see when it actually cancels. you have to keep holding A through until the dash goes through tho

 

[Bamesy]

Bamesy? Damn, where have you been bro?

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that 2011 ****

It took Peach until 2010 to abuse free FC'd Fairs on shield > grab.
2011, Falcon gets his? Peeps around here don't even like free Shinegrabs enough yet.

gunna steal knee --> grab

thanks

great find

even if you don't do it perfect if you knee --> gentleman a lot they'll probably hold block when you do knee--> grab

Still gotta space that crap really good. It ain't THAT free.
A tomahawk or whatever (empty jump) grab is juicy, but it works because people expect aerials... or something.
People WILL see the knee coming... and Nairs/Shines/whatever OOS are quite common at that sight.
Along with proper shield DI
Remember, THIS IS TWO THOUSAND ELEVEN STUFF! PEOPLE WILL SHIELD DI PROPERLY NOW OHHHH SHIIIIIIII



Wiseman (or whoever else)
This might be weird/not make sense to test...
But could you somehow get the frames of this type of thing
1. Aerial on shield
2. DASH AWAY/THROUGH
3. THEIR grab...
And somehow see how safe Aerial > DASH AWAY FROM OOS STUFF
really is?

 

[Deleted member]

also stomp on shield is fine if you do it right but don't expect a free stomp --> grab

its pretty good pressure and if you don't mess it up ur not gunna get shield grabbed

 

[Windrose]

I don't understand how to read this :S what does it mean when there are two numbers? I know the left side is frames...

 

[0Room]

I'm kinda with Windrose on this one
I'm not sure about the whole two numbers stuff

But Bamsey that's actually kind of why I made the index thread
Was that same philosophy

 

[_Rocky_]

seems like the numbers to the right are supposed to show how many frames it takes without the hitlag or something

 

[Roneblaster]

This thread is more important than most,

Bump.

 

[Winston]

so basically what I can tell is

low knee and low uair are the only things that you can get away with on shield

no, you can get away with anything that's done low. Just because there are some frames that they aren't in stun for near the end of some moves doesn't mean they are unsafe. Keep in mind most characters OOS options take ~7 frames at least to start up; you can gentleman or dash away before they come out. Throw in some spacing and most stuff works just fine.

I don't understand how to read this :S what does it mean when there are two numbers? I know the left side is frames...

The numbers on the left are the elapsed frames as normal, and the ones on the right are the elapsed frames but ignoring the frames of hitlag (because during that time both characters are frozen in place).

All that really matters is how many consecutive red frames there are before/between/after the moves.

 

[Juggleguy]

This thread is money.

 

[Raidex]

This thread is sex.

 

[sirlaser]

This thread is BEYOND GODLIKE

 

[Hax]

i busted a nut when i found this thread

 

[ETWIST51294]

Swaggggggggg

 

[reverie2]

Can someone explain how knee has 12 frames of shield stun (from manually counting)? Shieldstun and hitlag can't take place on the same time right? Isn't the shieldstun formula floor{[(4.45 + Damage) / 2.235]}, and knee does 18 damage, so isn't that 9 frames of shieldstun?