Can't Let you cut me Sakurai, Wolf for DLC

[Tino]

That does not sound fun.Hope you get back to yourself soon.I was starting to wonder where you went.Glad to have you back!

Thank you, my man, and no it was no fun at all. I'll make a full recovery soon.

That doesn't sound OK,but we hope you get well soon

Thank you, junior. It ain't the end of the world for me yet.

 

[Logo12]

People looks like have a similar mindset about the characters in the Poll, because only Wolf, K. Rool and other has less no (1) than other votes... Everyone else has "no" (1) as his/her biggest vote.

Too much "this character can stole my shoo-in's spot" feeling xDU

Well to be fair there are quite a lot of obscure characters...

Also these polls have been an improvement. From those polls where the difference is top choice" and "not top choice", to those that give you top few choices, and those that asks you to give a "yes, meh or no", and now these "rate your want for every character" and it's even forced for every character in each vote. When wolf is generally more towards "I would accept, but not my top choice", he gets an obvious advantage in these. Or maybe bandwagon or whatever I dunno

Something worth wondering tho is why Isaac is getting such a high appeal suddenly...

 

[Logo12]

Sorry for double posting, but I updated the list yet again and stuff... happens. Actually not much stuff happens in terms of Wolf really.

This is the overall result:

So you know there were like 3-4 characters who got an average above 4, now it's just Wolf. Everyone seemed to dropped quite hard after the day, all except Wolf, who somehow got a 0.005 score increase (lol)

Some big placements to note:

• K Rool is at 5, same as before, but got a 0.1 score decrease
• Snake at 6
• Wolf has beaten ICies in terms of number of 5 votes, but is outran but K Rool by 13 (ratio wise Wolf is still higher)

...Yeah.

 

[Troykv]

Sorry for double posting, but I updated the list yet again and stuff... happens. Actually not much stuff happens in terms of Wolf really.

This is the overall result:

So you know there were like 3-4 characters who got an average above 4, now it's just Wolf. Everyone seemed to dropped quite hard after the day, all except Wolf, who somehow got a 0.005 score increase (lol)

Some big placements to note:

• K Rool is at 5, same as before, but got a 0.1 score decrease
• Snake at 6
• Wolf has beaten ICies in terms of number of 5 votes, but is outran but K Rool by 13 (ratio wise Wolf is still higher)

...Yeah.

Wolf is the most wanted character overall... and pretty much the only character that everyone that want (or al least expect) to see... I'm wonder about your exact calculations, because I want to check it with some character... Like Micaiah xD

 

[NintenZ]

Sorry for double posting, but I updated the list yet again and stuff... happens. Actually not much stuff happens in terms of Wolf really.

This is the overall result:

So you know there were like 3-4 characters who got an average above 4, now it's just Wolf. Everyone seemed to dropped quite hard after the day, all except Wolf, who somehow got a 0.005 score increase (lol)

Some big placements to note:

• K Rool is at 5, same as before, but got a 0.1 score decrease
• Snake at 6
• Wolf has beaten ICies in terms of number of 5 votes, but is outran but K Rool by 13 (ratio wise Wolf is still higher)

...Yeah.

Don't know why, but something about this poll is strange.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Someone brought this point up in the Snake thread, I thought I'd expand on it and apply it to Wolf.

Isn't it strange that Sakurai explained in depth how and why the Ice Climbers were cut but never said anything as to why Snake was cut but Snake was referenced in the 50 Facts direct and an interview with Sakurai where he said nothing can top the epicness of Snake's Brawl reveal or something? And yet Wolf was not mentioned at all, ever. Even though Lucas had some of his moves as Ness's customs, Sakurai eventually brought Lucas back, and also Roy after some Luigifications. I just find it odd that even though Wolf was considered for Melee and finally added to Brawl, he was on the chopping block with not even so much as giving him a pre-ballot DLC spot.

I'm not knocking on the ICs, I'd like them back too but at this point in time their chances look worse than even Snake's. Wolf, though, for him to not even be acknowledged is odd.

 

[NintenZ]

Someone brought this point up in the Snake thread, I thought I'd expand on it and apply it to Wolf.

Isn't it strange that Sakurai explained in depth how and why the Ice Climbers were cut but never said anything as to why Snake was cut but Snake was referenced in the 50 Facts direct and an interview with Sakurai where he said nothing can top the epicness of Snake's Brawl reveal or something? And yet Wolf was not mentioned at all, ever. Even though Lucas had some of his moves as Ness's customs, Sakurai eventually brought Lucas back, and also Roy after some Luigifications. I just find it odd that even though Wolf was considered for Melee and finally added to Brawl, he was on the chopping block with not even so much as giving him a pre-ballot DLC spot.

I'm not knocking on the ICs, I'd like them back too but at this point in time their chances look worse than even Snake's. Wolf, though, for him to not even be acknowledged is odd.

He was cut due to criticism from other people, THOSE people, you know, the ones that say Wolf is a Fox clone, yeah, those ones.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Just as a heads up, I'll do something for Wolf latter this weekend since this is the last month for ballot support and all. Those who had seen my other works should know what to expect until then. Just letting you all know before I post it in the end.

 

[AnonymousMoon]

Someone brought this point up in the Snake thread, I thought I'd expand on it and apply it to Wolf.

Isn't it strange that Sakurai explained in depth how and why the Ice Climbers were cut but never said anything as to why Snake was cut but Snake was referenced in the 50 Facts direct and an interview with Sakurai where he said nothing can top the epicness of Snake's Brawl reveal or something? And yet Wolf was not mentioned at all, ever. Even though Lucas had some of his moves as Ness's customs, Sakurai eventually brought Lucas back, and also Roy after some Luigifications. I just find it odd that even though Wolf was considered for Melee and finally added to Brawl, he was on the chopping block with not even so much as giving him a pre-ballot DLC spot.

I'm not knocking on the ICs, I'd like them back too but at this point in time their chances look worse than even Snake's. Wolf, though, for him to not even be acknowledged is odd.

To add to that, it is indeed strange how Sakurai feels the obligation to explain the Ice Climbers absence and not Snake who was such a big part to Brawl (in my opinion, he was more advertised than Sonic). If I had to guess (and boy do people love that), I would say Snake's situation is similar to that of Sonic's in Brawl--with the exception that unlike Sega, Konami hasn't "given in" so Snakei remains in the neutral zone (much more neutral than Wolf though who has SO MUCH going in his favor, it's annoying).

I already made a theory about Wolf possibly coming (given the strangely last-place Falco amiibo that might tie in to Star Fox 0 only and pattern in veterans based on priority). Perhaps the decision of DLC characters switches between easy to make and more difficult. Easier characters are done to add more desert to the DLC selection (Lucas) and harder characters are done to add more meat (Ryu and Mewtwo). Roy, I wouldn't really know where to place between the two--but Wolf should be pretty similar to Roy's case. Boy, this is a mouthful--my last little deal is it all depends on what Ryu is. They did say that "special" development time went into Ryu (whatever that means) and then the whole "fanservice from now on" interview came--so is Ryu a transition? Will I ever stop speculating? Find out next time on "DLC potential"

Tl;DR
Mewtwo was aimed as the last DLC and was difficult (coming from Melee)
Lucas is easy to develop (coming from Brawl)
Roy is harder than Lucas but easier than Mewtwo (coming from Melee, but being based from Marth)
Ryu is brand new
...so why no Wolf? He is Lucas-level development
No one likes third clones? Roy is back and Dr. Mario (he's not a clone anyway)
Low priority? Lucas came back and to an extent, Roy did as well.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

To add to that, it is indeed strange how Sakurai feels the obligation to explain the Ice Climbers absence and not Snake who was such a big part to Brawl (in my opinion, he was more advertised than Sonic). If I had to guess (and boy do people love that), I would say Snake's situation is similar to that of Sonic's in Brawl--with the exception that unlike Sega, Konami hasn't "given in" so Sakurai remains in the neutral zone (much more neutral than Wolf though who has SO MUCH going in his favor, it's annoying).

I already made a theory about Wolf possibly coming (given the strangely last-place Falco that might tie in to Star Fox 0 only and pattern in veterans based on priority). Perhaps the decision of DLC characters switches between easy to make and more difficult. Easier characters are done to add more desert to the DLC selection (Lucas) and harder characters are done to add more meat (Ryu and Mewtwo). Roy, I wouldn't really know where to place between the two--but Wolf should be pretty similar to Roy's case. Boy, this is a mouthful--my last little deal is it all depends on what Ryu is. They did say that "special" development time went into Ryu (whatever that means) and then the whole "fanservice from now on" interview came--so is Ryu a transition? Will I ever stop speculating? Find out next time on "DLC potential"

Tl;DR
Mewtwo was aimed as the last DLC and was difficult (coming from Melee)
Lucas is easy to develop (coming from Melee)
Roy is harder than Lucas but easier than Mewtwo (coming from Melee, but being based from Marth)
Ryu is brand new
...so why no Wolf? He is Lucas-level development
No one likes third clones? Roy is back and Dr. Mario (he's not a clone anyway)
Low priority? Lucas came back and to an extent, Roy did as well.

>Lucas
>Coming from Melee

I think you mean Brawl there, other than that I agree with this.

 

[NintenZ]

>Lucas
>Coming from Melee

I think you mean Brawl there, other than that I agree with this.

Lucas was planned for Melee.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Lucas was planned for Melee.

I know, but his real first appearance was in Brawl. And it technically wouldn't have been the same Lucas back then for Melee, it woulda been the Lucas coming from the prototype M3 as opposed to its final product, and iirc was gonna replace Ness at first.

 

[AnonymousMoon]

Maybe Sakurai is surprising us first and saving the obvious characters for later
Aside from Mewtwo, of course

 

[NintenZ]

I know, but his real first appearance was in Brawl. And it technically wouldn't have been the same Lucas back then for Melee, it woulda been the Lucas coming from the prototype M3 as opposed to its final product, and iirc was gonna replace Ness at first.

Lucas looking like he did in that game would be awful.

 

[Furret24]

Lucas looking like he did in that game would be awful.

He looks awful now (am I the only one who hates those huge eyebrows of his?).

 

[Rosalinatehplumber]

Someone brought this point up in the Snake thread, I thought I'd expand on it and apply it to Wolf.

Isn't it strange that Sakurai explained in depth how and why the Ice Climbers were cut but never said anything as to why Snake was cut but Snake was referenced in the 50 Facts direct and an interview with Sakurai where he said nothing can top the epicness of Snake's Brawl reveal or something? And yet Wolf was not mentioned at all, ever. Even though Lucas had some of his moves as Ness's customs, Sakurai eventually brought Lucas back, and also Roy after some Luigifications. I just find it odd that even though Wolf was considered for Melee and finally added to Brawl, he was on the chopping block with not even so much as giving him a pre-ballot DLC spot.

I'm not knocking on the ICs, I'd like them back too but at this point in time their chances look worse than even Snake's. Wolf, though, for him to not even be acknowledged is odd.

What about Squirtle, Ivysaur, Pichu, and Young Link though.

 

[AnonymousMoon]

He looks awful now (am I the only one who hates those huge eyebrows of his?).

I just like the fact that he's smiling

What about Squirtle, Ivysaur, Pichu, and Young Link though.

I don't know Sakurai--I admit that. But I want to speculate anyway. Seeing as Roy had to be recreated from scratch, Pichu and Young Link would also require more work. I think Roy had more popularity than either of the two and thus, Sakurai created him. Also Pichu has a different model than Pikachu (I believe). However, I'm told that Pichu is quite popular in Japan--so he could return, I suppose. Personally, while Toon Link and Young Link are different characters, their relationship to Link is the same "Younger, more nimble" link. A problem with Young Link is that he has no unique characteristics to merit being put in as a third Link. Wolf has a more aggressive non-laser based Gameplay compared to Fox and Falco--Roy is slower (I could be wrong on that), has a Fire effect and has the base-sword style of gameplay compared to the moderate shorter Lucina and the faster tip user, Marth. "But what if Young Link got a complete overhaul?" We haven't exactly seen that with anyone. Only thing I can see is him returning due to the 3D N64 remakes but even then, it's kinda a stretch. Also, I want to say that those two are from Melee and aren't Melee-Brawl veterans like Ice Climbers (though, nor is Snake which I guess goes against my point XD)

Now, Squirtle and Ivysaur, I am less sure of. The transformation gimmick being "cut" for Super Smash Bros 4. While this isn't a direct shoot-down like the Ice Climbers, one would assume Sakurai thought Charizard was the superior of the three. In my opinion, there are 2 things that could've happened. One, they were only interesting as part of the transformation gimmick and two, the developers couldn't find a way to make them adapt on their own. Or maybe when the Pokémon Trainer died, he only had Charizard out and the other two are now forever trapped in their balls--muhuhahahahaha.

EDIT: also, I figured to the common gamer, the absence of Snake in Smash 4 would hit more than the other 4 you mentioned

 

[PurpleSoda]

He was cut due to criticism from other people, THOSE people, you know, the ones that say Wolf is a Fox clone, yeah, those ones.

WHAAAAAT!!!!!

 

[FEEHEELINGGS...Wo Wo Wo]

He was cut due to criticism from other people, THOSE people, you know, the ones that say Wolf is a Fox clone, yeah, those ones.

Don't forget how people were complaining that Star Fox had three reps.

 

[Yoshisaurus Rex]

He was cut due to criticism from other people, THOSE people, you know, the ones that say Wolf is a Fox clone, yeah, those ones.

That's what those people are saying.

 

[Deleted member]

Arguing with people that say Wolf is a clone is like arguing with a parrot.

You're better off ignoring the goddamn thing since it will say the same bull over and over again.

 

[Lycan Rex]

It should be common knowledge that wolf and fox aren't clones. I wish sakurai would just come out and say that already. "HURR DURR B-BUT IN MUH OPINION WOLF AND FOX ARE CLONES!!" If 3-4 similar moves is what makes a clone for you, than i pity you, and you're probably very unhappy with the roster considering lots of character have similarities. and share 4 moves (neural B, dash attack, fair, and uair) yet i don't hear any complaining.

He was cut due to criticism from other people, THOSE people, you know, the ones that say Wolf is a Fox clone, yeah, those ones.

I doubt that was the reason he was cut. Sakuari said "low priority", so he probably found the other brawl vets more interesting for what ever reason. Plus, if Sakurai really cut wolf because of that, then the last character he should of added was

 

[xDizxy]

It should be common knowledge that wolf and fox aren't clones. I wish sakurai would just come out and say that already. "HURR DURR B-BUT IN MUH OPINION WOLF AND FOX ARE CLONES!!" If 3-4 similar moves is what makes a clone for you, than i pity you, and you're probably very unhappy with the roster considering lots of character have similarities. and share 4 moves (neural B, dash attack, fair, and uair) yet i don't hear any complaining.

I doubt that was the reason he was cut. Sakuari said "low priority", so he probably found the other brawl vets more interesting for what ever reason. Plus, if Sakurai really cut wolf because of that, then the last character he should of added was

Can't believe was low priority but Wasn't. #onlysakurai

 

[Rosalinatehplumber]

I just like the fact that he's smiling


I don't know Sakurai--I admit that. But I want to speculate anyway. Seeing as Roy had to be recreated from scratch, Pichu and Young Link would also require more work. I think Roy had more popularity than either of the two and thus, Sakurai created him. Also Pichu has a different model than Pikachu (I believe). However, I'm told that Pichu is quite popular in Japan--so he could return, I suppose. Personally, while Toon Link and Young Link are different characters, their relationship to Link is the same "Younger, more nimble" link. A problem with Young Link is that he has no unique characteristics to merit being put in as a third Link. Wolf has a more aggressive non-laser based Gameplay compared to Fox and Falco--Roy is slower (I could be wrong on that), has a Fire effect and has the base-sword style of gameplay compared to the moderate shorter Lucina and the faster tip user, Marth. "But what if Young Link got a complete overhaul?" We haven't exactly seen that with anyone. Only thing I can see is him returning due to the 3D N64 remakes but even then, it's kinda a stretch. Also, I want to say that those two are from Melee and aren't Melee-Brawl veterans like Ice Climbers (though, nor is Snake which I guess goes against my point XD)

Now, Squirtle and Ivysaur, I am less sure of. The transformation gimmick being "cut" for Super Smash Bros 4. While this isn't a direct shoot-down like the Ice Climbers, one would assume Sakurai thought Charizard was the superior of the three. In my opinion, there are 2 things that could've happened. One, they were only interesting as part of the transformation gimmick and two, the developers couldn't find a way to make them adapt on their own. Or maybe when the Pokémon Trainer died, he only had Charizard out and the other two are now forever trapped in their balls--muhuhahahahaha.

EDIT: also, I figured to the common gamer, the absence of Snake in Smash 4 would hit more than the other 4 you mentioned

Did Sakurai mention in a interview that Pokemon Trainer was impossible for the 3DS?

 

[Lycan Rex]

Can't believe was low priority but Wasn't. #onlysakurai

We're always going to get an obscure character no one asked for with every installment. Calling it now, smash 5's first character reveal will be either reckless wii-mote guy or L shaped tetris block! And then the first dlc character will be another FE sword wielder with some unnatural hair color, he's kinda like marth, but don't worry this guy has green fire!

 

[[Obnoxshush/Dasshizer]]

So how do you guys feel about Sakurai and Wolf? I'm not sure what to think, the obvious thing to do would be to put Wolf in as a DLC character, but I don't know what that man's thought process is sometimes. What do you guys think?

 

[Lycan Rex]

So how do you guys feel about Sakurai and Wolf? I'm not sure what to think, he obvious thing to do would be to put Wolf in as a DLC character, but I don't know what that man's thought process is sometimes. What do you guys think?

I really don't see how sakurai can just not put him in. He's a highly requested 1st party vet with a game coming out in 2 months. From the looks of the costume, k rools out of the running. It would be a bad decision to get rid of another highly requsted character.

 

[xDizxy]

So how do you guys feel about Sakurai and Wolf? I'm not sure what to think, he obvious thing to do would be to put Wolf in as a DLC character, but I don't know what that man's thought process is sometimes. What do you guys think?

Oh most likely he will. He's easy development and easy money for Sakurai and since wolf is super requested. Sakurai going to be rich baby

 

[Gene]

He looks awful now (am I the only one who hates those huge eyebrows of his?).

What about the eyebrows?

 

[Yoshisaurus Rex]

What about the eyebrows?

I'm guessing these?

 

[DoodleDuck97]

I really want to see if they would alter Wolf in any way.
I mean Falco feels really different to fox in this game.
His Up B, Down Smash. and maybe his side tilt and down tilt feel similar but everything else is different when compared to Fox.
His Up Smash got an upgrade this game and he has wolf's back air.
Maybe they might alter Wolf to have different Down B.
Either way why is he still not here.

 

[Deleted member]

I can't believe that we are only a few weeks left before the Ballot Ends.

It's been a crazy ride for sure.

 

[CannonStreak]

I can't believe that we are only a few weeks left before the Ballot Ends.

It's been a crazy ride for sure.

No kidding, though I have a feeling that things may go crazier somehow in the following weeks, since some wise guys may cause some drama with leaks or something.

 

[Deleted member]

Im expecting a galore of Fake Leaks to appear at the end of September.

Example:HAY GUZ I GOT DA NEW LAK FROM SMESH BRUHS FOR RYU AND 3DEES.

DA CHARACTER R:
Filthy Frank
Don Ramon
Branko
Joseph Joestar
Bazooka Dee
Shovel Knight ('cause MUH AMIIBO AND MUH RUMORS 111111!!!!!111)
Derrick from GameXPlain

UR MEST WANTED CHERECKTERS R MII COSTUMES CAUSE MASH POTATO SACK OF RICE HATS PEPULER CHEREKTERS.

EDIT: This is a joke.

KTHNXBAI

 

[BluePikmin11]

Part 5 of the individual character poll is complete:
https://goo.gl/zqINJP
This adds in missing characters people requested.
Go vote guys!

 

[Logo12]

I can't believe that we are only a few weeks left before the Ballot Ends.

It's been a crazy ride for sure.

A crazy long time of waiting, with some flame and stuff coming out from the frustration and boredom, that we Wolf supporters never got the stuff we want despite some other vets has already been having fun for like 3-5 months already. Endless waves of empty hype, of disappointment, stuff came and pass, hit and miss, and we're still here, as a DLC support thread.

*sigh*...

 

[Deleted member]

As long as i have hope and faith, i will not give up on Wolf unless Sakurai says so.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Thanks guys we finally reach 1000+ votes in less than 3 days! Thank you so so so much! <3

 

[Tahu Mata]

Someone brought this point up in the Snake thread, I thought I'd expand on it and apply it to Wolf.

Isn't it strange that Sakurai explained in depth how and why the Ice Climbers were cut but never said anything as to why Snake was cut but Snake was referenced in the 50 Facts direct and an interview with Sakurai where he said nothing can top the epicness of Snake's Brawl reveal or something? And yet Wolf was not mentioned at all, ever. Even though Lucas had some of his moves as Ness's customs, Sakurai eventually brought Lucas back, and also Roy after some Luigifications. I just find it odd that even though Wolf was considered for Melee and finally added to Brawl, he was on the chopping block with not even so much as giving him a pre-ballot DLC spot.

I'm not knocking on the ICs, I'd like them back too but at this point in time their chances look worse than even Snake's. Wolf, though, for him to not even be acknowledged is odd.

As much as I would like the Ice Climbers back, their fate is most likely sealed in my opinion until they manage to fix the technical problems with the 3DS.

I'm honestly just waiting until they announce Wolf. There's WAY too much evidence hinting towards him, and he's the most logical choice for a veteran currently.

 

[Logo12]

Thanks guys we finally reach 1000+ votes in less than 3 days! Thank you so so so much! <3

k, on the way of updating list
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• Wolf continues to be the top
• Average score decreased by 0.051.
• Wolf continues to have the least 1 votes, and 2nd least in 2 votes.
• nothing else