Can't Let you cut me Sakurai, Wolf for DLC

[Rosalinatehplumber]

As much as I would like the Ice Climbers back, their fate is most likely sealed in my opinion until they manage to fix the technical problems with the 3DS.

I'm honestly just waiting until they announce Wolf. There's WAY too much evidence hinting towards him, and he's the most logical choice for a veteran currently.

What are the evidence of Wolf again? I think I know some but I would like to know all.

 

[Tahu Mata]

What are the evidence of Wolf again? I think I know some but I would like to know all.

It'd take a lot to put them all here. I'll just say that there have been plenty of hints.

 

[Logo12]

Random reminder:

It's now 13th of September (in Japan), aka what people inspected would be "a possible day for Smash news", or the 1st anniversary of the release of SSB3DS in Japan.

Blahblahblah

Let's give false hopes again

 

[xWolfiex]

Random reminder:

It's now 13th of September (in Japan), aka what people inspected would be "a possible day for Smash news", or the 1st anniversary of the release of SSB3DS in Japan.

Blahblahblah

Let's give false hopes again

I'll be darned if they do that.

 

[dangeraaron10]

I seriously think we won't hear anything until October 3rd if even then.

 

[Tahu Mata]

I seriously think we won't hear anything until October 3rd if even then.

That keeps me seriously wondering if they're actually working on something right now. They literally haven't announced ANYTHING new since June, excluding Mii costumes.

 

[dangeraaron10]

That keeps me seriously wondering if they're actually working on something right now. They literally haven't announced ANYTHING new since June, excluding Mii costumes.

For someone who can't keep a team around together for long, I don't think Sakurai and co. would have been sitting on their laurels waiting for the ballot to end before doing something. They could've completed a character, or got it complete enough to show off, in the time between June and now. Especially a ported character like Wolf.

 

[AnonymousMoon]

Did Sakurai mention in a interview that Pokemon Trainer was impossible for the 3DS?

He mentioned that the transformation characters Samus and Zelda were split from Shiek and Zero Suit respectively, making them their own individual characters. Pokémon Trainer was also a transformation character with the three pokemon. I believe the reason for the split was due to the strain on 3DS hardware. I personally didn't like the transformation gimmick (not that it was unfair, I just like utilizing one character at a time). Charizard appears to be the only surviving portion of Pokémon trainer from Brawl.

 

[AnonymousMoon]

For someone who can't keep a team around together for long, I don't think Sakurai and co. would have been sitting on their laurels waiting for the ballot to end before doing something. They could've completed a character, or got it complete enough to show off, in the time between June and now. Especially a ported character like Wolf.

Forget all of my theories and speculation, this--THIS right here is a big reason for pre-ballot DLC not being over. They can't just be sitting around--what if they're saving the last Pre-Ballot batch for October 3rd so we can be kept entertained while they work on the Ballot peeps?

 

[FEEHEELINGGS...Wo Wo Wo]

As long as i have hope and faith, i will not give up on Wolf unless Sakurai says so.

Even if Wolf doesn't get in (he will), there's always Project M.

 

[Lycan Rex]

For someone who can't keep a team around together for long, I don't think Sakurai and co. would have been sitting on their laurels waiting for the ballot to end before doing something. They could've completed a character, or got it complete enough to show off, in the time between June and now. Especially a ported character like Wolf.

It'd be really disappointing if they were just waiting for the ballot to end, because we mine as well tack on another 2-3 months for them to make the character -_- Hopefully they add wolf in october to hold us over until then

 

[Tahu Mata]

This is pretty unlikely, but what if in October 3rd when they make an announcement that the Ballot is over, they all of sudden reveal Wolf?

 

[CaptainJimmBob]

At this point it is nearly insane to say that Wolf won't be in, simply based on what has been said in these last few pages. If he is not, I will severely reconsider my trust in Sakurai.

 

[Tahu Mata]

At this point it is nearly insane to say that Wolf won't be in, simply based on what has been said in these last few pages. If he is not, I will severely reconsider my trust in Sakurai.

Exactly. I'll be amazed if he doesn't get in.

 

[PurpleSoda]

I can't believe that we are only a few weeks left before the Ballot Ends.

It's been a crazy ride for sure.

tfw it's halfway thru September

It'd take a lot to put them all here. I'll just say that there have been plenty of hints.

bruh,u had dis info and did not tell us

.hurb

 

[Krysco]

We'll most definitely get Wolf. It's just absolute bull**** that we have to wait as long as we do to play the character we love when most people got their favourite character(s) almost a year ago and a few others got theirs a few months ago. I swear, they have Wolf finished like right now but they're sitting there like "Nah, let's wait because Starfox Zero". Doesn't help that Wolf's relevance in that game is still a mystery.

 

[Yoshister]

CLONES,CLONES,CLONES YEAH!!

Daisy wouldn't have to be a clone, nor should she.
By the way, I don't support Daisy.

 

[Furret24]

We'll most definitely get Wolf. It's just absolute bull**** that we have to wait as long as we do to play the character we love when most people got their favourite character(s) almost a year ago and a few others got theirs a few months ago. I swear, they have Wolf finished like right now but they're sitting there like "Nah, let's wait because Starfox Zero". Doesn't help that Wolf's relevance in that game is still a mystery.

Atleast you guys will probably only have to wait another month or so for him. Ice Climber fans will probably have to wait a few more years for their favorite character and Young Link fans may never see their's back at all. Frankly, you should be happy that Wolf has a high chance of getting in.

 

[Tahu Mata]

Atleast you guys will probably only have to wait another month or so for him. Ice Climber fans will probably have to wait a few more years for their favorite character and Young Link fans may never see their's back at all. Frankly, you should be happy that Wolf has a high chance of getting in.

Yeah, we should all just be happy Wolf is pretty much guaranteed in the first place. Others will probably never get their main back.

 

[Jestar]

I understand that Wolf is one of those timelessly popular characters, but I think we've seen enough of him for the time being. I love Wolf as much as the next guy, but he strikes me as one of those one-timers; I feel like Lucas and Roy got away with getting back in not only because they were wanted back in, but also because they had uniqueness on their side. I'm aware that Wolf is somewhat unique from Fox, but I also feel that Roy and Lucas had more apart from their respective OGs in terms of playstyle than Wolf has had from Fox. So unless Sakurai changes him up a bit, I can't see him coming back, regardless of popularity.

If anyone wants to tear this "joke" to shreds, go right ahead.

 

[Furret24]

Yeah, we should all just be happy Wolf is pretty much guaranteed in the first place. Others will probably never get their main back.

#PoorPichu

 

[Tahu Mata]

If anyone wants to tear this "joke" to shreds, go right ahead.

Please tell me he's joking.....

#PoorPichu

Yeah, and it's a shame, because I actually have a soft spot for the little guy.

 

[Deleted member]

Roy shares 78.3% of Marth's moveset.

Lucas has 49.3% of Ness's moveset.

WOLF ONLY HAS 28.2% OF FOX'S MOVESET!

http://www.ssbwiki.com/User:Toomai/Cloneosity

If anybody else calls Wolf a "Clone" i will ignore that person from now on.

EDIT: Also this:

• Many players tend to assume Fox and Wolf are semi-clones, or even full clones, due to their special moves and Final Smash being similar in name and mostly identical in operation. However, closer inspection of their full movesets shows that even calling them semi-clones is difficult to rationalize, as the characters' physics are radically different, none of their standard attacks are similar, and even their similarly named special moves have different particle effects and function differently.

 

[Tahu Mata]

Roy shares 78.3% of Marth's moveset.

Lucas has 49.3% of Ness's moveset.

WOLF ONLY HAS 28.2% OF FOX'S MOVESET!

http://www.ssbwiki.com/User:Toomai/Cloneosity

If anybody else calls Wolf a "Clone" i will ignore that person from now on.

Hell, even calling him a semi clone is debatable.

 

[Jestar]

Please tell me he's joking.....

I really wish he was.

Popularity/veteran status and being easy to make is why Lucas and Roy came back in the first place.

Heck, popularity is one of the biggest reasons that got Wolf in Brawl in the first place and is one of, if not the reason he'll be back.

There's a lot of material in that post.

 

[Furret24]

Roy shares 78.3% of Marth's moveset.

Lucas has 49.3% of Ness's moveset.

WOLF ONLY HAS 28.2% OF FOX'S MOVESET!

http://www.ssbwiki.com/User:Toomai/Cloneosity

If anybody else calls Wolf a "Clone" i will ignore that person from now on.

EDIT: Also this:

I keep hearing people say that Roy was "decloned", yet he shares 78% of Marth's moveset. Could somebody explain this to me?

 

[Tahu Mata]

I really wish he was.

Popularity/veteran status and being easy to make is why Lucas and Roy came back in the first place.

Heck, popularity is one of the biggest reasons that got Wolf in Brawl in the first place and is one of, if not the reason he'll be back.

There's a lot of material in that post.

Ugh, that makes me cringe.

 

[Deleted member]

I keep hearing people say that Roy was "decloned", yet he shares 78% of Marth's moveset. Could somebody explain this to me?

The proper term would be "Luigified". Roy is not a clone anymore but rather a semi-clone.

You need to share at least 40% of attack animations to be a semi-clone and at least 90% to be a full clone. Roy shares 78.3% of Marth's moveset, and as such he falls onto the semi-clone category since 78.3% it's between 40% (semi-clone category) and 90% (clone category).

EDIT: Luigification means the process of a clone breaking away from its roots and establishing its own identity as it divergently evolves, named after how Luigi originally was a clone of Mario but eventually came into his own in both the Super Mario and Smash Bros. series.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

k, on the way of updating list
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• Wolf continues to be the top
• Average score decreased by 0.051.
• Wolf continues to have the least 1 votes, and 2nd least in 2 votes.
• nothing else

Great to see wolf as number one. Which i can agree with

But.....


Theres a huge flaw with that list that makes it not entirely reliable

Im pretty sure the king k rool Has way more votes than the inklings. (In the real deal, not fan made ones)

 

[Tahu Mata]

I keep hearing people say that Roy was "decloned", yet he shares 78% of Marth's moveset. Could somebody explain this to me?

What Speedwagon said, and also the fact that Roy plays drastically different from Marth and has different animations and functions for plenty of his moves.

 

[Furret24]

What Speedwagon said, and also the fact that Roy plays drastically different from Marth and has different animations and functions for plenty of his moves.

Thanks for clarifying. Would this mean Doc is a clone or semi-clone though? Since he plays drastically different from Mario, but shares 91% of his moves with Mario. I think it's the former.

 

[Tahu Mata]

Thanks for clarifying. Would this mean Doc is a clone or semi-clone though? Since he plays drastically different from Mario, but shares 91% of his moves with Mario. I think it's the former.

Doc IS pretty different, but for the most part he's still a clone because aside from his down B and down air, he has the same animations for everything else and almost the same functions with the exception of a few.

 

[Krysco]

Atleast you guys will probably only have to wait another month or so for him. Ice Climber fans will probably have to wait a few more years for their favorite character and Young Link fans may never see their's back at all. Frankly, you should be happy that Wolf has a high chance of getting in.

Young Link fans have Toon Link. They aren't the same but they're both younger, smaller, faster Links. ICies SHOULD have their mains back but Nintendo wanted 3DS users and Wii U users to be 'equal'. That's partly why I consider the 3DS one of the two worst things to happen to Sm4sh. The only remaining vets are ones who will likely never see a return: Snake cuz Konami, and Squirtle, Ivysaur and Pichu because they lack significance and popularity, in the grand scheme of things anyways.

Funny how Jigglypuff has a similar situation to those 3 Pokemon but gets an immediate guaranteed status all because she was put into 64 and not a later installment. Then again, for even a moment they thought of replacing Ness in Melee with Lucas.

 

[Tahu Mata]

Young Link fans have Toon Link. They aren't the same but they're both younger, smaller, faster Links. ICies SHOULD have their mains back but Nintendo wanted 3DS users and Wii U users to be 'equal'. That's partly why I consider the 3DS one of the two worst things to happen to Sm4sh. The only remaining vets are ones who will likely never see a return: Snake cuz Konami, and Squirtle, Ivysaur and Pichu because they lack significance and popularity, in the grand scheme of things anyways.

Funny how Jigglypuff has a similar situation to those 3 Pokemon but gets an immediate guaranteed status all because she was put into 64 and not a later installment. Then again, for even a moment they thought of replacing Ness in Melee with Lucas.

Toon Link is not the same as Young Link, though, both character and moveset wise.

But yeah, there's a part in me that thinks there shouldn't have been a 3DS version in the first place.

 

[Krysco]

Toon Link is not the same as Young Link, though, both character and moveset wise.

But yeah, there's a part in me that thinks there shouldn't have been a 3DS version in the first place.

I said they aren't the same. They are, however, similar, most likely enough to the point that Nintendo sees no point in bringing Young Link back. We can consider Toon Link the Luigified Young Link.

As for the 3DS version, it's fine and having Smash on the go is nice but hindering any part of the Wii U version because of an incredibly inferior portable console is a very stupid decision especially given the sales troubles the Wii U has had in general and how important Sm4sh was in regards to sales. Wolf, Mewtwo, Roy and Lucas could have possibly been starter characters either immediately or unlockables if the 3DS version wasn't a thing since more development time and people would be put towards the Wii U but then we wouldn't have Smash on the go...which for me personally doesn't mean jack.

 

[Furret24]

Young Link fans have Toon Link. They aren't the same but they're both younger, smaller, faster Links. ICies SHOULD have their mains back but Nintendo wanted 3DS users and Wii U users to be 'equal'. That's partly why I consider the 3DS one of the two worst things to happen to Sm4sh. The only remaining vets are ones who will likely never see a return: Snake cuz Konami, and Squirtle, Ivysaur and Pichu because they lack significance and popularity, in the grand scheme of things anyways.

Funny how Jigglypuff has a similar situation to those 3 Pokemon but gets an immediate guaranteed status all because she was put into 64 and not a later installment. Then again, for even a moment they thought of replacing Ness in Melee with Lucas.

No Ice Climbers is why you think Smash 3DS should've never happened? Someone's salty. Personally, the new ledge mechanics and Smash Tour are the two worst things to happen to Smash 4.

Also, Pichu is actually pretty popular. It's just that half of that popularity is of hating him.

 

[Tahu Mata]

I said they aren't the same. They are, however, similar, most likely enough to the point that Nintendo sees no point in bringing Young Link back. We can consider Toon Link the Luigified Young Link.

As for the 3DS version, it's fine and having Smash on the go is nice but hindering any part of the Wii U version because of an incredibly inferior portable console is a very stupid decision especially given the sales troubles the Wii U has had in general and how important Sm4sh was in regards to sales. Wolf, Mewtwo, Roy and Lucas could have possibly been starter characters either immediately or unlockables if the 3DS version wasn't a thing since more development time and people would be put towards the Wii U but then we wouldn't have Smash on the go...which for me personally doesn't mean jack.

You got a point, but regardless, he will never be 100% like Young Link.

Agreed. The 3DS version had its ups, but definitely its downs as well. It hindered sales for the Wii U version and it cost them being forced to push back or downright cut some content due to time constraints.

 

[Krysco]

No Ice Climbers is why you think Smash 3DS should've never happened? Someone's salty. Personally, the new ledge mechanics and Smash Tour are the two worst things to happen to Smash 4.

Also, Pictures is actually pretty popular. It's just that half of that popularity is of hating him.

I don't even give a **** for the ICies. Never used them and competitively they were stupid to fight. However, because of the 3DS version, a bunch of people lost a character that they loved that had been in two games prior (which aside from them, has so far guaranteed a return). Smash Tour is dumb but it's optional so whatever. The ledge thing is funny cuz earlier I said the 3DS is one of two of the worst things to happen to Sm4sh. I never said what the other thing was and that's it right there. **** the ledge mechanics of this game. I swear, the only reason I even like MK in this game is because he's one of the only characters who can reliably gimp characters in this game.

I also never said the 3DS version shouldn't have happened, I said it was one of the worst things to happen. I'm fine with it existing since Smash on the go is nice for some people. What I'm not fine with is Nintendo's hypocritical reason for not including transforming characters or ICies. No one should ever have to lose their favourite character from one Smash game to another.

You got a point, but regardless, he will never be 100% like Young Link.

Agreed. The 3DS version had its ups, but definitely its downs as well. It hindered sales for the Wii U version and it cost them being forced to push back or downright cut some content due to time constraints.

Luigi will never be 100% of what he originally was, neither will Ganondorf or...my god, poor Falco. That bird has the most fluctuating play style between Smash games @.@ But yeah, a bunch of clones have been Luigified and will never be what they once were. It just so happens that Young Link got an appearnace and name change along with his Luigification.

 

[Furret24]

You got a point, but regardless, he will never be 100% like Young Link.

Agreed. The 3DS version had its ups, but definitely its downs as well. It hindered sales for the Wii U version and it cost them being forced to push back or downright cut some content due to time constraints.

The WiiU version wouldn't have sold that we'll either way due to how badly the WiiU did. It was probably the best option businesswise to make the 3DS version on part with the WiiU version, even if I think that choice Is somewhat questionable.

 

[Tahu Mata]

The WiiU version wouldn't have sold that we'll either way due to how badly the WiiU did. It was probably the best option businesswise to make the 3DS version on part with the WiiU version, even if I think that choice Is somewhat questionable.

Still, plenty of people tend to get one version over the other, and I know many that opted to choose 3DS over Wii U.