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I never go there anyway. I had a gift card for there, but it's only got $2 left on it.*anxiously looking for confirmation that they'll be sold individually*
Uh-oh, I think I missed out on my only chance to get those 3 unscalped now unless preorders will go back up. I also heard about a Mii Fighter 3 pack but IDK.
Also @ROBnWatch , you now have a reason to avoid Target. Doc is exclusive there.
I plan to get all of them, but Doc will kinda be one to complement my copy of Dr. Mario and another Melee veteran to add to hold me over for Falco, Mewtwo, eventually ICies, etc.
Is that a good thing or a bad thing? Cause if it's a good thing, I don't like it...
Bad thing. He's often criticized for being very slow and not as versatile as Mario and has one of the worst recoveries. Unlike Melee, where he surpassed both Mario and Luigi in the tier list. If only Mario had his original tornado attack back. As much as I love Sunshine, the F.L.U.D.D. should've got axed. Then Doc could be made an alt and Mario would have 16 colors like Little Mac. And his stats could be altered thanks to customs. But whatever. I trust Sakurai's word that he had no negative impact on the inclusion of anyone else.
Why alter his stats? Just make have the pill replace the fire ball, after the costume swap and leave it at that. Dr. Mario shouldn't have any special stats, he's just Mario wearing different clothes. I see no reason why he should be the slower, more powerful version.
He's been weighed down by his new outfit I guess, while he took certain medications that gave him a damage boost. Stupid fool...
Cool. Anything bad for Doc is good for me.
I voted indifferent. I wouldn't be opposed, but I'm not for it. If it was for 3DS only I'd say yes though. Oh yeah and vote yes for Goku!
That would alienate the people who mained him in Melee.
I voted indifferent because I believe there are better feasible compromises than a solo Ice Climber. I'd rather have a Wii U exclusive duo, but maybe that's petty selfish talk for me to say that.
Plz add a split IC and a joint IC poll to this alongside SoPo. Also, I can promise you all of the following:
I think he meant that Tabuu would be a DLC Boss, but I don't completely know.
Their both Goku. Eh whatever idk XD
I think he meant Tabuu as a playable character considering that he put Master Hand as one of the polls.
That'd be a great throwback to the SSE. Still upset there's no story mode in this game. Sigh...Their both Goku. Eh whatever idk XD
I think he meant Tabuu as a playable character considering that he put Master Hand as one of the polls.
I think it'd be cool if there was a DLC stage called "The Great Maze" which is a tour stage where the final section on the rotation (the final boss room) sumons Tabuu (obviously nerfed from Brawl to the level of stage bosses like Ridley and Metal Face so that you don't spend five minutes in the same section of the rotation) and the stage won't restart the rotation until someone takes it out.
Also I hope that the tourney is compatible with me XD Not the end of the world if its not tho
I voted no for SoPo. Outside of removing their uniqueness, it would make them far too different from their previous incarnations (not that I really liked the Ice Climbers all that much).
I've been going through random character threads and happened to stumble onto this one. Not really the biggest fan of the Ice Climbers, but their fanbase support is pretty incredible.
I'm thinking nerfed as well, at least competitively. But they'll probably be just as balanced as the rest of the roster.
Probably nerfed, I don't see them being automatic top tier like they've been without the grabs. I was hoping there'd be a way for their chain-grabs to return, but right now I wouldn't care just as long as they're in the game.
LOL? Even slower than Ganondorf and Robin? XD
No, I meant for the game to lock out stages that would lag like what 8-Player Smash is already doing.
The response you'll get from most 3DS owners is along the lines of "No not good enough. I already feel left out enough, so I don't want a gimped version of a real popular character, I'd rather not have that character in the game at all" or "No that would just look weird". Source? Conversations I've had my poll "Would you be fine with the 3DS version getting Sopo?" (or something along those lines).
Meh. Like anything that happens, I'm sure we'd deal with it. Especially if they've already purchased the game. Though honestly I can't bring myself to say that Smash 4 would survive without DLC. I think that's one of the main reasons I still play as often as I do now.
I meant 30 FPS only if they lag the specific fight, not all the time.
Oh, gotcha.
No offense to those people, but ya, that's pretty true.
I know that, it won't matter to them. I've read every detractors statements, I can say with confidence at least 30% of people don't want to compromise at all. That's enough for Sakurai to justify the cut, and not putting any more effort into the IC's.
I'm sure they'd accept it after it happened, but I don't see Sakurai doing it without more positivity behind the idea.
Honestly neither would I. It's a good game, but the online needs a lot of work, I still want Melee like gameplay, and my favorite characters were cut. I can't imagine myself paying attention to this game this long without the possibility of DLC at this point.
Different Goku as someone mentioned. Nintendo actually owns this Goku.
Imagine what that would do to online though.
1) Ice Climber v Ice Climber would be impossible online--definitely in four-player smash. 1V1 smash though? Probably still allowed. Just limit stage choice, perhaps. Not a big deal, but sorta sucky. But still definitely bearable. I could see it being made possible, but it really does seem like a big deal to handle one character. Then again, it's a highly demanded character and a veteran.
Ice Climbers only
I'd say nerf them in the grab department first and foremost, but (if they return as a duo) make it balanced in a way where when your partner is gone, your'e not completely gimped and can stand a chance on your own. It' kinda hard to explain, but I was also thinking maybe nerf their paired up power and have them unable to separate and act more as a single entity character.
I don't know, 30FPS on one mey help a little, but it would look awkward on the eyes. Sakurai did mention that they removed a bunch of joints with little to no success. And yeah, 3DS owners just simply won't accept anything less which becomes problematic. Not that I blame them for wanting better, just vicariously feeling the conflict Sakurai must be feeling. So I have a gut feeling that the 30FPS idea won't quite do it.
Maybe that too, but not totally sure.
The main issue I have with the 3DS version existing. The decisions made with the two versions split the market and fanbase. In situations like this, it's been pretty destructive. If I, an owner of both versions, am willing to compromise for anything at this point just to get Nana and Popo on the battlefield, why aren't others? And yeah, it kinda makes me feel selfish thinking that DLC helped expand the appeal, but I honestly wouldn't have played it as much if Mewtwo never came back. Yeah, if my two most wanted and most feared for characters, Mewtwo and Ice Climbers, didn't come back at all, you'd bet I'm going back to Melee and Brawl more frequently.
So many Gokus. So many Roys. So many Ryus.
I really hope they don't nerf them at the grab department at all. I think it's cool to have a grappler character. I think, since it's harder to escape a grab the higher the percentage, I think the IC's chain grab can start working at around 60%. Popo grabs, headbutt, headbutt, throw, Nana grabs, headbutt, headbutt, throw, rinse, and repeat. I think it could work, and since it only becomes "activated" at a certain percentage it won't feel as cheap (it's not a zero-to-death anymore).
I still never understand their point of view. I know it's not cheap, but it isn't impossible to buy the Wii U version. Plus, I wouldn't feel bad if I got a gimped version of some character that only works right on the 3DS. (I would say I wouldn't feel bad if the 3DS had an exclusive character as well, but that's a lie. I paid 20 extra dollars for this game, and feel like that should be worth something.)
The community has been split ever since Brawl. When you don't just improve on the tried and true formula, and try and switch it up, people are going to complain about it, while others will defend it. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I expected this kind of reaction, but I honestly thought it would be more more subdued.
Due to the new grabs mechanics, it wouldn't work, and thank goodness.
Hmmm I thought the new grab mechanic didn't allow the specific character grabbing to grab again for at least a second right? So, theoretically Ice Climbers could perform a chain by switching between each other. Am I misunderstanding the new mechanic?
If Nana were to grab while Popo's 1 second wait time is active, they'd nerf it so the same wait time would apply to both climbers.
I just read up on the grabs. The player getting grabbed has one second of invincibility (but not apparently for DK's cargo throws someone is going to have to explain that to me), after a throw, so no matter who tries to get a grab won't be able to. It's a shame, because I myself like chain-grabs, but whatever. It is what it is.