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Sopo d-throw across stage was the easiest chain grab ever, and it was super fun. I'll still play as IC's, but it will definitely take something away from me if chain-grabbing, and desyncing are "fixed".
I hate it too. I hate it when an original idea has to be copied in the first place. When Zelda was shown to transform into Sheik, I saw so many fake rosters add their own transformation characters; when Pokemon Trainer was revealed some wanted like 30 more types of trainers. No originality.
Judging by their mid-tier placements in Melee and Brawl before their infinite chain-grabs were discovered, I'd say yes.
FunAtParties
Ohh! Solo IC should have a grappling hook just like Link and Toon link. That would give them three recovery options: Side B, Up B, and Tether. And even then, buff sopo/sona's up-b recovery. Orr maybe have solo IC have their Up-B be just like ZSS's in Brawl, like you said. But I always did feel like the ICs had an awkward offensive game. So like, wouldn't it be kinda cool to have that sort of gimmick for them? Or maybe just a better projectile, and keep it like what you said about ZSS back in brawl.
What I was thinking is if you stay on stage and up b, Sopo will shoot a grappling hook straight above head. If you hit the opponent with the hook (last few frames of the attack) it'll spike. I think it's effects as an actual recovery can vary in a couple of ways also. If you do it close enough to the ledge, it will tether just like the Link's, the Samus', or Lucas'. If you do it off the ground, but nowhere near a ledge it will work similarly to how it does with 2 IC's (like a slingshot). Could buff their recovery significantly. Having some effect to be able to cancel it, and allowing the player to slightly control the direction in which you slingshot could also add a very interesting movement option.@
ONLY viable option being a reworked solo IC?!?!?! Heck no! I like the ideas people have been coming up with, but really? ONLY VIABLE OPTION?!?!?! Ya, no. I'm pretty sure that, despite us knowing they were supposed to be in the game, if they were made DLC, people would pay to get them. I know I certainly would.
As it is a tournament, it'd probably be better to play it safe and keep items disabled. People will want there to not be any distractions during the matches, and items are the ultimate distraction and can lead to some really cheap bull at times.Another tournament update:
I'll be hosting it on Saturday, and custom fighters will (most likely) not be allowed.
Confirmed stuff: Saturday, 7pm-8:30pm EST time, points based.
The only two things I still need to do is come up with the password for it, and figure out if items will be allowed (the update on items will come in a few days, password on day of tournament, probably an hour or less before it begins). I understand a large part of the competitive community hates items, but I don't mind certain items. Basically, I'll decide whether or not they'll be on, and if they are, certain OP/useless/irritating items will be turned off.
I'm thinking that too, which is why I'll be keeping those types of items off, if I turn any on at all.
I suppose I did go a little far by saying that refined Sopo is the only way to go, but honestly would it be 'right' to charge people for something like that, or do we deserve the ICs from the beginning by purchasing the game!
The same could be said about DLC in general.
I blame the way the game industry is ever changing and the way games are being made differently as well as games becoming more expensive to produce pressuring companies to find more ways to make profit just to stay afloat. But I must say Smash is a prime example of good DLC to give 4 of my most wanted characters (Mewtwo, Ice Climbers, Lucas, Wolf) a second chance. Especially for ICies seeing that if it weren't for our requests being heard in this tight spot we're in, we'd have no choice but to wait at least half a decade. It's now for us to prove the worth once again of our beloved characters. And hopefully Sakurai will have a desire to offer appealing to us who are actually willing to compromise if necessary. Literally never before in my life have I ever heard anyone genuinely say "Nothing would be better than something." I believe that kind of statement and mentality does much more harm than good.
I don't blame the industry. Nintendo has put other companies down for not releasing "complete games" at it's launch, and yet they turn around and do the same exact thing. They aren't in a dire financial situation, they can afford to not screw their fans over 5$ at a time.
Especially scammy for those like me who are out of their supported regions, meaning that we can't even buy the DLC without outside help. And that is made even harder with the region lock. But appearently it's completely fine that we can play on DLC stages and/or against DLC characters online... The assets are in the update and you still have to buy the DLC to unlock it? That's exactly like on-disc DLC!
The Splatoon DLC isn't really dlc. Nintendo just locked away content and periodically gave some of it to us.
Just so I can be sure I'm putting out the right info, the only for sure pre-planned DLC is Mewtwo. He was planned as a "gift for those who bought both games", but was changed when they saw the flaws in their logic. After that everything is straight up DLC, whether they planned it before or not is not within my knowledge, but it's hard to imagine characters like Wolf and Lucas, characters that wouldn't be all that hard to bring back mind you, not showing up on the "final" roster due to time constraints. Just seems fishy to me. I think we'll all know for sure if Wolf gets revealed to hype up Star Fox Zero, that he was held back intentionally.
True, but the sentiment is still the same. If Smash released incomplete (which I kinda think it has), but continued to add to itself with free updates, this would all be viewed by myself much more positively. THAT would be DLC done right.
The costumes are such a scam, I really don't know who gets excited for those. If a character I like (and it's already happened) got a Mii costume, I'm not going to be excited for it. They offer nothing but a skin of the character, none of their moves, personality, anything are present. It's such a waste of effort.
FunAtParties
, is that time constraints are common in development cycles for many games because they have deadlines and marketing decisions to make, so priorities do have to be set. Early in Smash 4's development, Sakurai publicly stated that not all characters from Brawl would transfer over because there simply is not enough time. This was the starting point for when people were speculating who would get cut and anxiously hoping their preferred characters were safe. One thing I'm wondering is if all Brawl characters returned except Snake, Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Ice Climbers, that could hypothetically show the severity of 3DS limitations and possible copyright issues if they had about enough time to add everyone. In this hypothetical, all characters are equally given the time of day to be implemented and issues had decided upon solutions and priority wasn't lowered for anyone. If this hypothetical were the case, then we'd probably see fewer supporters for these characters and just support for Mewtwo and Roy. However, the deliberate low priority placement and time constraints that affected other characters including Ice Climbers goes in our favor. It's visible proof that ICies are fixable if time is given to them. And we don't know specifically when they were cut (I'm predicting February or March, around the time of the April 2014 Smash Bros. Direct). I don't like time constraints either, but they exist and can unfairly decide the fate of wanted content. And yeah, Wii Fit Trainer DLC would be the worst "having" to buy a character I hate. And could you imagine Dr. Mario DLC? No thanks. I'd rather play Melee or buy a Dr. Mario game.
I get all character DLC, because in terms of characters, I'm a completionist. I need all the characters no matter how much I hate them, and I really f***in hate Ryu.
They aren't really comparable. Splatoon basically had on-disc DLC, if you even call it DLC. It makes sense not to charge money for stuff that was already in the base game. The Smash DLC was not in the base game and had to be added via extra development time. Why would charging money for that be DLC done wrong?
FunAtParties
Sakurai almost cut Jigglypuff, a two time vet, and Smash 64 original, from Brawl due to time constraints. If they say they didn't have time to bring Roy or Lucas back, I believe them. I don't think this is a nefarious $$$$ plan, since Sakurai doesn't like DLC. He probably thought "well, we have some extra time. Maybe we can add characters we wouldn't normally be able to add." Mewtwo was not even completed when the Wii U version came out.
Same here, but again, Doc would be the one exception.
Doc compared to Mario:
In my opinion people should stop hating the clones and just think of the changes that could make them more unique. These changes won't happen soon, but they are as guaranteed as the next Smash game is, and if Luigi has taught us anything, it's that all clones have the potential to be something more.