Brawl+ renamed to brawl: insert idea here?

[jalued]

After trying to convince alot of people who are against brawl+ from the start (its great fun btw, go to AIB chat and try and convince them ) it becomes clear that the name "brawl+" is leaving a rather bad impression on the community. To me the plus just makes it sound arrogant and cocky, as though anyone who plays normal brawl is a ****** and should see the light. but thats not what brawl+ is about...

brawl+ is a collection of all 3 smash games so far (64,melee and brawl) and incorperated the best part of each game to make the ultimate smash game. some may feel that brawl is a disapointment, but this project has to seem alot friendlier if u honestly expect the majority to actually try it and love it (cause omg it is so much fun!!!) There is also the problem that i bet aroud 80% of vbrawl smashers think that brawl+ is trying to be melee 2.0, and that it has MAD etc, which is a biproduct of old version of brawl+ that everyone agrees was a major mistake

This thread is designed to be a suggestion point of what the finalised version of brawl+ shoud be called (the version that waits for tourney results), because i honestly feel that the name brawl+ is heading in the wrong direction.

after chattin on the gamesurge chat for a while last night with a few of the programmers, a few good suggestions came up:

brawl:
remix
fisticuffs (no idea why so many people like this, but whatever lol)
clash (its a fighting tem and also suggests the idea of the 3 game coming into one, apparently though it may already be taken)
collision
showdown (seems to be favourite so far)
conflict
reload(ed)
duel
riot (think its a bit too aggressive this one)
universal


I hope to get this as a vote system eventually, and hope that everyone will voice their opinion in the matter, and offer any suggestions, support for previous suggestions etc

hope this works and u all agree change is needed
thanks
jalued

 

[Richard7]

I always thought Brawl+ was trying to be Melee 2.0

As for a new name, I don't really care since I havn't even played Brawl+ because nobody cares about the PAL codes.

 

[jalued]

melee just had alot of good point about it, so it may seem that way. but alot of things come from 64 as well, people just dont notice them lol. and ur feeling is exactly why it needs a change, case its not melee 2.0 at all, its an attempt at the ultimate smash game.

yeah they do, i think the new PAL codes for 4.0 are already out. they are just a few weeks behind the NTSC codes, so dont worry, europe is not getting left out at all, there are just less programmers working on it, so it takes a bit more time

 

[:034:]

Super Smash Bros. Brawl: Hyper Turbo Fighting

Street Fighter references go!

 

[jalued]

Super Smash Bros. Brawl: Hyper Turbo Fighting

Street Fighter references go!

haha its just like the chat last night! well thats fine tbh, have fun with this, and im sure some very good ideas will eventually come out of it

 

[Mic_128]

It's Brawl + Modifications. Brawl+ seems fine to me.

And I can tell you, regardless of the name, people will still complain.

 

[Desire]

Super Smash Bros : Meta Knight.
<3

 

[jalued]

It's Brawl + Modifications. Brawl+ seems fine to me.

And I can tell you, regardless of the name, people will still complain.

people will always complain, its impossible to make everyone happy. but hopefully it will make less people complain, and make more people try it before they judge. and i really need to get mack to maths revision atm haha, really bad timing to make this thread..aw well, it needed to be made

 

[Greenpoe]

Super Smash Bros. Joust
It sounds better than those other names. Melee was the perfect name: Only two syllables and it rolls off the tongue nicely. A lot of potential names have too violent of connotations to be used. Even Brawl isn't a great name, because it's a little awkward to pronounce, but Joust rolls quite nicely.

 

[Revven]

We're not changing the name.

We're too far into the game to change it suddenly when youtube videos already have Brawl+ as the name for the matches, combo videos, and etc. If we change the name, and videos pop up with a different name people will be confused "What happened to Brawl+?"

Yeah, no, not changing the name.

 

[jalued]

We're not changing the name.

We're too far into the game to change it suddenly when youtube videos already have Brawl+ as the name for the matches, combo videos, and etc. If we change the name, and videos pop up with a different name people will be confused "What happened to Brawl+?"

Yeah, no, not changing the name.

i think that is a mistake falco, i dont mean changing it atm, i mea the finalised version being changed, once all of the tweaking has been done. cause the name brawl+ has got alot of bad rep atm, u seriousl should consider before u try to close this thread. u were there in the chat last night i think, and if u want to be convinced, go to the AiB chat and ask people what they think of it.

and about the youtube vids, why not just make it so that the final name isnt like brawl+ 5.7, but more brawl: "insert idea here". then u dont have to change any of the videos online, but it has a friendlyer feeling to it and the game can be released with a fresh start that it kinda needs

 

[jalued]

oh, and how do i change the name of the entire thread? cause i think "brawl+ renamed to brawl: insert idea here" is amuch better title

 

[Hyrus]

cause the name brawl+ has got alot of bad rep atm, u seriousl should consider before u try to close this thread. u were there in the chat last night i think, and if u want to be convinced, go to the AiB chat and ask people what they think of it.

There's nothing offensive or derogatory about "Brawl +". If a bunch of overly sensitive geeks want to whine about a generically positive name of a private project, tell them they can take their warped ego's elsewhere.

 

[jalued]

There's nothing offensive or derogatory about "Brawl +". If a bunch of overly sensitive geeks want to whine about a generically positive name of a private project, tell them they can take their warped ego's elsewhere.

and u want to get the majority to play brawl+ with that attitude?? and its not possitive cause it has + in it. it makes it sound like it is better than brawl, and people who play brawl alot dont want to hear that. im sorry that u think that way, but brawl has a massive crowd, and u cant just expect thm to go for a game because it says its better, as better is a very loose word that is more fact than opinion. so by making the title brawl+ u are kind of suggesting that peoples opinions dont matter, and that is counterproductive

 

[|RK|]

I see no problem with changing the name. After all, ever heard of tentative titles, Falco? Just change it to Brawl: Competitive Edition, or Brawl: Competitive Plus, or something that comes off explaining the project so people don't think it's just Melee 2.0. Brawl+ is bland and has already given the wrong impression to many people. Besides, there are still people who don't know what Brawl+ is. There are plenty who have to explain it to them. So do that.

 

[Revven]

and u want to get the majority to play brawl+ with that attitude?? and its not possitive cause it has + in it. it makes it sound like it is better than brawl, and people who play brawl alot dont want to hear that. im sorry that u think that way, but brawl has a massive crowd, and u cant just expect thm to go for a game because it says its better, as better is a very loose word that is more fact than opinion. so by making the title brawl+ u are kind of suggesting that peoples opinions dont matter, and that is counterproductive

The "+" in the name is to suggest that we're adding stuff. Anyone who thinks it means otherwise is just stupid and doesn't deserve to even try the game out. They are purposely flaming the project by saying what you just said. You really can't expect people to try it out when you tell them about it online. You have to give them links, links to videos, links to the FAQ. If they are STILL not caring or protest about it, don't bother, you've given them all the info they need to know about the project.

I don't know how you can derive "Brawl+" as it meaning it's better than Brawl. It just sounds like they are purposely not interested in it (which is true, EVERY Brawl player isn't interested in Brawl+ until they try it out). I'm telling you, just telling people about it isn't enough, they have to try it at a tourney or with a friend who may have it.

It sounds to me like you didn't give them any links and just tried to explain it to them yourself which isn't the route to go.

I don't see the need for a name change despite what you say.

 

[jalued]

basically, people are stubborn and unwilling to change.it needs to be more clear, becasue ur kinda not really adding stuff to brawl, ur changing it. for instance ur talking away camping (i know its really lame, but some people must like it somewhere), and that is still taking away something. you took away chaingrabs as well. i just think that it could be a bit more informative than brawl+, that the + isnt really telling anyone who doesnt know about the game any information about it. and to be quite honest brawl+ sounds dull and if i was just a brawler, i wouldnt feel intregued to find out what the plus is. people are lazy and dont want to have to do all the work themselves for finding things out, and with a name that gives a bit more in terms of information i think would go along way.

brawl: competative is a nice one btw, thanks for that, its added

 

[Foresight]

Listen, the people that are complaining about the name are never going to play Brawl+ in the first place. They think that vBrawl is fine the way it is and are happy playing vBrawl. They aren't going to play the game, regardless of what we call it, because that would admit that vBrawl was flawed and needed improvement, and that doesn't jive with their blind fanboy view of the game.

Why should we try to appease people who are never going to play the game? Changing the name isn't going to change why they don't want to play it. Anyone who plays this game for 5 minutes will easily determine if they like it better or not, regardless of the name. Besides, most of the complainers never even tried the game, so why should we respect the opinions of someone who bashed Brawl+ based only on the name or the goal of the project, without ever trying the game in the first place. If the name of the project is the only reason why they don't want to try the game, then they are very close-minded and will most likely never make the modifications to their Wii that are needed to play the game. Brawl+ is fine, as it is instantly recognizeable, and only requires an extra character to differentiate it from vBrawl.

 

[Mic_128]

basically, people are stubborn and unwilling to change.

Including your opinion that it needs a name change.

Foresight's got it right, no matter whether the name is changed or not, the same people will dislike it.

Not to mention the name's you're coming out with are more likely to piss people off than Brawl+. Your latest suggestion, Brawl: Competative? Why not just make a thread in Brawl disc saying that Brawl isn't competitive and see what the reaction is.

 

[jalued]

Including your opinion that it needs a name change.

Foresight's got it right, no matter whether the name is changed or not, the same people will dislike it.

Not to mention the name's you're coming out with are more likely to piss people off than Brawl+. Your latest suggestion, Brawl: Competative? Why not just make a thread in Brawl disc saying that Brawl isn't competitive and see what the reaction is.

im not being stubborn, i think brawl+ needs a change title, but am willing to listern to any opinion otherwise. and haha its just a suggestion, i just mean something along the linesof brawl: anything u can think of i the right way to go. and yeah i guess ur right, ill get rid of that one. but i jst think that brawl+ isnt the right title for the game, and if it is, then it has been overshadowed by past versions of the game that have MAD etc, and made people stick to the idea that it is melee 2.0, which needs to be straightened out.

and yeah falco u are right about vids and stuff being showed to vbrawl players, ill try my best in it

 

[|RK|]

Super Smash Brothers: Universal Brawl

It fits, since you're taking stuff from all of the Super Smash Bros games and mashing it into one final product.

 

[jalued]

Super Smash Brothers: Universal Brawl

It fits, since you're taking stuff from all of the Super Smash Bros games and mashing it into one final product.

so Brawl: universal then

and this is exactly the angle i think brawl+ needs, continue...

 

[lordhelmet]

Super Smash Bros. Fandango

 

[Revven]

Listen, the people that are complaining about the name are never going to play Brawl+ in the first place. They think that vBrawl is fine the way it is and are happy playing vBrawl. They aren't going to play the game, regardless of what we call it, because that would admit that vBrawl was flawed and needed improvement, and that doesn't jive with their blind fanboy view of the game.

Why should we try to appease people who are never going to play the game? Changing the name isn't going to change why they don't want to play it. Anyone who plays this game for 5 minutes will easily determine if they like it better or not, regardless of the name. Besides, most of the complainers never even tried the game, so why should we respect the opinions of someone who bashed Brawl+ based only on the name or the goal of the project, without ever trying the game in the first place. If the name of the project is the only reason why they don't want to try the game, then they are very close-minded and will most likely never make the modifications to their Wii that are needed to play the game. Brawl+ is fine, as it is instantly recognizeable, and only requires an extra character to differentiate it from vBrawl.

Including your opinion that it needs a name change.

Foresight's got it right, no matter whether the name is changed or not, the same people will dislike it.

Not to mention the name's you're coming out with are more likely to piss people off than Brawl+. Your latest suggestion, Brawl: Competative? Why not just make a thread in Brawl disc saying that Brawl isn't competitive and see what the reaction is.

These.

No name change, evar. Brawl+ is fine.

 

[jalued]

These.

No name change, evar. Brawl+ is fine.

give this thread time falco, let the people decide

 

[Yeroc]

Most of the people whose decision making skills have gotten the project as far as it is have already weighed in on the issue, at least privately. The Brawl+ brass, if you will, has no intention of changing a rather innocuous project title just because of some flamebait trolls. People have mistaken assumptions about the project direction because of past mistakes, and enlightening them will solve that, not rebooting the project under a new name to appease a small group of people who, as Foresight said, probably will never touch it anyway.

 

[Red-Blue]

give this thread time falco, let the people decide

Most people have decided. You just don't agree, and therefore let this thread go on.

 

[piZ]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/plus

 

[Junahu]

Although this topic will inevitably fail to change the name of brawl+, I would like to chime in my own opinion on the matter. Please note that I actually play and like Brawl+

Any suffix on the title 'brawl' will always come across as sounding superior to the original, regardless of what it is. Adding a + on the end in particular implies that whatever Brawl was, this Brawl+ is more than that and therefore better
Since what Brawl+ is is more of a modification than an addition, I think the + is pretty misleading.



I also object to the usage of the term vBrawl to describe the original, unmodified version. Unlike Brawl+, vBrawl is clearly a slander, implying that the original is ordinary and boring and inferior.

 

[jalued]

fine, god, **** this. im not going to fight both brawl and brawl+ players. god u guys are both ***** though, whoever said smash bros had a good community was an idiot. **** this. thread closed, i dont know why i even bother tbh

 

[Oracle]

I'm with Mic

Spoiler

for once lol

Brawl + is fine. It's brawl plus competitive things

 

[Rikana]

Are you pms'ing? Those who complain about Brawl+ hardly ever complain about the name itself. You say you're not being stubborn yet you keep forcing the idea of a name change. Stubborn much? Brawl+ is fine the way it is. + does not need to be interpreted as something added. I just interpret it as a modification.

Any by letting the people decide, there's gonna be so many suggestions that there's no point. I bet even if suggested, majority is going to choose Brawl+ in the end. We're known as Brawl+ now, why need to change the name? Hate it or love it, we're still Brawl+.

Let's get dramatic over a name change before finishing our codesets.

 

[CloneHat]

Brawl+ makes sense. People who think the + implies it's better are correct. Even if you did change the name "officially", everyone would still call it Brawl+.

 

[YouAreOutOfMy5]

Another one I think would sound sick is:

Super Smash Bros. Fatality
Yeah, its that cool...

 

[jalued]

no im not pmsing, but i am annoyed cause u all seem to be very aggressive. and i had no evidence before that everyone was happy with brawl+ as a name, so stop lecturing me. everyone makes mistakes, no need to try and drill people into the ground about it

 

[Man of Popsicle]

Brawl: Donnybrook

Seriously, if you don't know what it means look it up or something.

 

[jalued]

Brawl: Donnybrook

Seriously, if you don't know what it means look it up or something.

haha brawl+ is a new brawl, not an old one

 

[Mic_128]

i had no evidence before that everyone was happy with brawl+ as a name

I hadn't seen any evidence that people weren't happy with Brawl+ as a name.

I'm with Mic

Spoiler

for once lol

Wait really? Crap, I changed my mind!

Spoiler

lol, I keed : )

 

[Foxy]

Back about a month after Brawl's release, when I and GofG were making the very first steps towards Brawl hacking, I already had a specific name for the vision.

Super Smash Brothers: Renaissance

It might sound a bit uppity but I always thought that calling it the "revival" of smash would be somewhat accurate, cool, and it makes a good acronym (SSBR).

See what you think of it.

 

[BBQ°]

hmmm
I liked Brawl+
Or maybe since it's all 3 games, we can name it Smash+
Discuss.