Brawl+ Mario

[GHNeko]

That's right. I'm bringing it here.

I dont think any of you play Brawl+ so Ill enlighten you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nKlSRmVSTY - My B+ mario vs a CPU samus.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUlnhnt315A - Triple Fair Combo with Mario (teching aside please)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sipcKLfG5o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAYeZOgFCn4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sod_gY_Bso4

Friendlies with a friend. I'm mario all 3 times.

Then you have TheCape

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnXff0s6S2E&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzyoX2C-rE4&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1LbuJBXRec&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uShsFZoRWug&feature=channel_page



Pretty nice right?

Chara ID SH FH FF DGrav Grav Filler
Mario 0 0.900 1.025 1.200 1.175 1.050 0


These are mario's gravity stats.

SH = Short hop, so mario's SH is 90% of what it normally is.

His full hop has been increased by 2.5%

His fast fall has been increased by 20%

He falls faster downwards by 17.5%

And his upwards gravity has been increased by 5%

What does this all mean? He's closer to the ground more often, increasing his combo potential as you saw. And he's a bit heavier.

ALSO. There is momentum in the game. Soo things can be done using momentum that couldn't be done before. Like recover. As soon in this video (give it some time to process if you cant see it.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh1nWLBbMz4 - Somewhat half *****. Just trying to get a point across. Sorry.

Ultimately, Mario has been buffed alot and there are still a few things I'm fighting for. More Distance on upb. Less winddown lag on dtilt (its actually useful now as it is though. Dtilt @ 100%+ and above leads to a KO move/Smash attack), and more knockback on the 'sourspot'/Doc Mario spot of Mario's Fair. There was another push to make fair faster, but I dont remember who said it.

So. What does the Mario community think? If you want to try out Brawl+, IM me and Ill be glad to help. Just realize you need Twilight Princess, not the gamecube version. an SD card, a way to access your SD card from a computer, and some faith in Me as well as the Homebrew community and B+ community.

 

[:mad:]

This is... a good reason to play Bawrl.
I assume that you can get more distance with the cape, right?
Love B+ now...

 

[Ray/Boshi]

Merely out of curiousity. (I'm kind of under a rock far as the whole B+ goes)

Can you play Brawl+ on wifi? I imagine you just need to wifi against another person who running with it.

 

[Matador]

I think so. Some people ask to play Brawl+ in the AiB freeplay room. They just tell which codes they're using and play

 

[Revven]

Merely out of curiousity. (I'm kind of under a rock far as the whole B+ goes)

Can you play Brawl+ on wifi? I imagine you just need to wifi against another person who running with it.

Both people need the same code set otherwise, you will desync and likely DC if you do not have the same code set.

 

[KirinBlaze]

I've played Brawl+ with a friend online a few times and all I have to say is that Mario is a mother ****ing beast. The gravity makes it a bit harder to do a few things like DJing out of a SHDair (I can't do it with the Cstick like I can in Brawl, I have to input the Down+A controls to be able to DJ out of it.) but with the hit stun it doesn't really matter since you can land, jump again and still pull of a sexy Uair combo. Utilt is also amazing.

 

[MuBa]

Heck yea Brawl+ Mario is awesome!

He's a juggling maniac now!

FUN SPEED ACTIVATE!

 

[GHNeko]

This is... a good reason to play Bawrl.
I assume that you can get more distance with the cape, right?
Love B+ now...

You actually get the same amount of distance with the cape, but its a more useful tactic, especially when combined with a fully charged FLUDD, as you saw, gives more momentum in air, making it a way more useful and now viable form of recovery.

Merely out of curiousity. (I'm kind of under a rock far as the whole B+ goes)

Can you play Brawl+ on wifi? I imagine you just need to wifi against another person who running with it.

You need to have the same exact code, down to the very letter, or it will cause a desync. Even then, sometimes you get a desync and have to remake the codes and reboot to get it working right. but most of the time, as long as you have the same codes, you're good to go.

I think so. Some people ask to play Brawl+ in the AiB freeplay room. They just tell which codes they're using and play

really now? That's interesting to hear.

I've played Brawl+ with a friend online a few times and all I have to say is that Mario is a mother ****ing beast. The gravity makes it a bit harder to do a few things like DJing out of a SHDair (I can't do it with the Cstick like I can in Brawl, I have to input the Down+A controls to be able to DJ out of it.) but with the hit stun it doesn't really matter since you can land, jump again and still pull of a sexy Uair combo. Utilt is also amazing.

Use dtilt at high percents. It's amazing that it has a purpose now. :3

 

[The Cape]

Mario is the man in Brawl+. Finally a game where he is good!

He just plain wrecks and runs combos all day and his edgeguarding game is stupid good.

Love Mario

 

[HeroMystic]

Sexy stuff. College friend finally hacked his Wii so maybe I'll get the chance to try it out.

 

[GHNeko]

If you ever need some help setting it up, I'll be glad to help you out so you can try it out.

 

[GHNeko]

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/1240616

Pre-recorded mario practice session. It's kinda long, but you get to see some nice things.

EDIT: Double Post.

 

[cHooKay]

Now don't get me wrong, i've played quite often brawl + and still use mario. Generally I like how he's buffed (especially in his overall speed, power, and weight), the game actually feels a bit more character balanced in general, lag canceling arials are great, NO FREAKIN TRIPPING UNLESS AN ATTACK MAKES YOU TRIP, hitstun is awesome, crouch canceling, etc. Best of all, Metaknight is somewhat fixed into a non-broken character!

My only complaints in brawl + (although I'll love brawl+ regardless):

I know the pro melee players will probably get on me for this, but I was actually I was more in favor of auto edge grab. It works for mario's upb and makes his recovery a whole lot better and reliable. The cape is somewhat improved for this, but still, sweet spoting in brawl + feels a bit weird? I can deal with it no prob though, but i still miss it. This makes Mario more "gimp prone" if his opponents realize this, which was pretty much happening to me.. I dunno, maybe if they gave mario an upb height boost?

Mario can't double bair in one SH. Yes, I know you can just SHFL and do another bair, and i know its effective. I guess It probably would've made him a bit more broken since you can cancel the lag of his bair, but imagine if you can do 2 SH bairs, cancel the lag, and pull of another bair? I easily would've gave up some of his power in his bair to do this... three consectutive bairs in a possible one TRUE combo in brawl?

 

[GHNeko]

The No Auto Ledge Snap works against everyone and for everyone. For mario, its more in his favor. Because now the cape and fludd are alot more potent. If you watched my training session, you see what the cape does to Fox. Its melee mario's cape all over again.

Yes. He is more prone to gimping, but alot more characters are. So just focusing on mario in that aspect makes it seem worse than it is.

Mario might not be able to SH double bair, but he still can SH Double Uair, though its hard as hell now. And his dtilt has use. His uthrow ***** fast fallers again and his fireballs are more potent.

 

[Kanzaki]

Brawl+ is fun, but I don't see it ever getting "big" because nobody wants to hack their wii =/

 

[GHNeko]

Brawl+ is fun, but I don't see it ever getting "big" because nobody wants to hack their wii =/

Facts and Knowledge will change that. If you have a group of people giving you +'s and -'s. And the +'s >>>>>>>>>>>> -'s. People will try. If only for B+. I've already seen people do so simply for B+.

If they watch videos and take interest and simply want to try. They'll ask questions. And the ones about HBC will be answered in a manner that would probably convince them to do so.

 

[Revven]

Also Kanzaki, a lot of people said that about No Tripping but, now if IIRC it's being used quite often in MANY tournaments if just for normal matches (if a Wii is available) or just for finals. It is almost the same principle except it is just for tripping to be removed. If a good amount of people modded their Wii just to get rid of tripping, there will be people who will do it for Brawl+.

 

[GHNeko]

Also Kanzaki, a lot of people said that about No Tripping but, now if IIRC it's being used quite often in MANY tournaments if just for normal matches (if a Wii is available) or just for finals. It is almost the same principle except it is just for tripping to be removed. If a good amount of people modded their Wii just to get rid of tripping, there will be people who will do it for Brawl+.

Actually, I saw a console at HOBO 15 using infinite replays. I dont know if they were using no tripping, but it was definately hacked and using infinite replays for the tourney matches. Jerm! vs 3000 and stuff.

 

[mario brawler]

Does brawl+ use melee's dodging system? I only saw 2 video's and I could'nt quite tell.
Im a fan of Brawl's so if it stayed the same that would rock.

 

[shanus]

Does brawl+ use melee's dodging system? I only saw 2 video's and I could'nt quite tell.
Im a fan of Brawl's so if it stayed the same that would rock.

Uses Brawl Airdodge

 

[Kiyuzoh]

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Everyone eventually decided against it, so we just kept the Brawl airdodge. Melee's airdodge leaves you very vulnerable in Brawl+'s physics, and it takes up way too much code space. Wavedashing isn't worth it, and it just feels foreign in Brawl because of how much we disciplined ourselves to forget about it, essentially.

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To be honest, this discussion was done quite a while ago, but I can understand that most people (including myself) were quite skeptical during Brawl+'s infancy.

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Slightly off-topic, but has anyone with the newest Plussery codeset notice that ROB's forward B makes him glide almost as fast as Sonic can run? When I saw this yesterday, I thought it was hilarious, and yet strangely useful.

Edit: Beaten by a matter of seconds...

 

[GHNeko]

ROB's side B is well known about in the B+ side of Smash. Alot of people think its hilarious, including myself. And its a useful tactic that doesnt buff him too much, but still serves a good purpose to him. I think alot of people will vouch to keep it, even for simply comedic effect.


BUT ENOUGH ABOUT ROB.

ANYONE WANT TO SEE A DEMONSTRATION OF WHAT MARIO+ CAN DO TO FOX+!?

I've been dying to show you CGs on fast fallers that are **** with mario, but I need the interest to even be pushed halfway to do something of the sort.

 

[fromundaman]

Meh, it's weird, but I just don't like Brawl+ Mario. I like Brawl + Kirby and Sonic, but just can't seem to make Mario work...

Also, there's just some elements of Brawl I prefer and some of Brawl+. I won't lie, I'd really enjoy it if tournies started running both.

 

[storm92]

Meh, it's weird, but I just don't like Brawl+ Mario. I like Brawl + Kirby and Sonic, but just can't seem to make Mario work...

Brawl+ Mario takes a bit more practice because of the different grav changes.
I really couldn't be any happier with Mario+, he's a beast all-around.
As Cape said earlier, finally a game he's good in.

Also, there's just some elements of Brawl I prefer and some of Brawl+. I won't lie, I'd really enjoy it if tournies started running both.

That's what we're going for.
Melee included, of course.

 

[GHNeko]

Why are SH Uair juggles so hard to do. DP and Cape do them so well. ._.

 

[storm92]

They're only tough for me on FFers at low %'s, but that's because they fall too quick for you to get another Uair up in time.
It is slightly annoying though, I agree.
The cape in B+ is so amazing with NASL.

 

[GHNeko]

Who would be a good practice character? I tried doing it on mario but failed to get no more than 2 juggles.

I'd like to believe that its not a requirement to play mario right as you can play him multiple ways and win, but it still seems to be too good to not know. ._.

 

[storm92]

I practiced on Bowser the first few times just to get the rhythm and timing down because he's such a big target.
Btw, this is the same guy as sisolaaaxx from Youtube. =P

 

[Kanzaki]

I played Brawl+ yesterday for the first time since wavedashing was introduced(bad idea.. I messed up too much in a Brawl tourney today ><)

It's still fun, but I stand by my statement, it won't be widely accepted due to the one word, "hack". Granted, SOME people might want to for no tripping, infinite replay, etc., but I still don't ever see Brawl+ getting "big" to where it replaces Brawl overall.

But yea, Mario in Brawl+ almost feels like Melee Mario, uair juggles works about the same in Melee, only difference is that if you uair after your short hop, you have more time to second jump compared to Melee.

And fireball spikes ***** xD

 

[GHNeko]

I played Brawl+ yesterday for the first time since wavedashing was introduced(bad idea.. I messed up too much in a Brawl tourney today ><)

It's still fun, but I stand by my statement, it won't be widely accepted due to the one word, "hack". Granted, SOME people might want to for no tripping, infinite replay, etc., but I still don't ever see Brawl+ getting "big" to where it replaces Brawl overall.

But yea, Mario in Brawl+ almost feels like Melee Mario, uair juggles works about the same in Melee, only difference is that if you uair after your short hop, you have more time to second jump compared to Melee.

And fireball spikes ***** xD

Says you. We're already having B+ tourneys in TX.

Also, we dont want to replace Brawl. Just co-exist. :3

 

[fromundaman]

Co-existing is good.

I think the main problem is that many people against Brawl+ feel afraid that it might replace Brawl, as well as the fact that it's a hack, and some people look down on that on principle.

 

[fromundaman]

Sorry about the double post. My browser isn't cooperating...

 

[Kanzaki]

People look down on it due to the fact that it's a hack. That's it. I'm sure if Nintendo released Brawl+, it'd be widely accepted, but fact is, it is a hack, can't change that fact =/

I'd like to see Brawl+ tournies coexist with Brawl, I like playing Brawl+, but like I said, I doubt it'd get "big", possibly in Texas as stated by GHNeko, but outside of it? Maybe not. I may be wrong, but unless you can tell the future, I doubt it'd be widely accepted due to the who "hacked" concept.

And don't get me wrong and think I'm an anti-hacking person, I <3 hacks, especially if it gets me free stuff :D

<3 Back-up loader... don't hate >.>

 

[FB Dj_Iskascribble]

oops double post fromundaman? =p
chudat and other known players play brawl+, im going to start trying to raise + awareness around my area in the midwest. Its just too fun. I'm having so much trouble picking a + main because everyone is so good

*on topic, mario is very beast in brawl+. His combos are amazing.

 

[GHNeko]

Co-existing is good.

I think the main problem is that many people against Brawl+ feel afraid that it might replace Brawl, as well as the fact that it's a hack, and some people look down on that on principle.

They're just pre-johning. ;D

People look down on it due to the fact that it's a hack. That's it. I'm sure if Nintendo released Brawl+, it'd be widely accepted, but fact is, it is a hack, can't change that fact =/

I'd like to see Brawl+ tournies coexist with Brawl, I like playing Brawl+, but like I said, I doubt it'd get "big", possibly in Texas as stated by GHNeko, but outside of it? Maybe not. I may be wrong, but unless you can tell the future, I doubt it'd be widely accepted due to the who "hacked" concept.

And don't get me wrong and think I'm an anti-hacking person, I <3 hacks, especially if it gets me free stuff :D

<3 Back-up loader... don't hate >.>

East coast is eating up Brawl+. West Coast needs to jump on board. Midcoast is all like lolwut. It'll get big. There is no doubt about it.

oops double post fromundaman? =p
chudat and other known players play brawl+, im going to start trying to raise + awareness around my area in the midwest. Its just too fun. I'm having so much trouble picking a + main because everyone is so good

*on topic, mario is very beast in brawl+. His combos are amazing.

Amazing doesnt cut it. Mario's is getting 3 epic buffs next private beta. Up B distance increased. Dtilt has less wind down (It's already useful in B+. Sets up for anysmash at 90%, though it can be teched if you try to fsmash/dsmash after the dtilt), and the "Doc" spot on Fair gets a KB increase.

;D

You guys are welcome.

Also, to raise awareness, hold tourneys with B+ as a side, or get tourneys you go to, to have B+ as a side.

 

[FB Dj_Iskascribble]

Also, to raise awareness, hold tourneys with B+ as a side, or get tourneys you go to, to have B+ as a side.

Im already working on it, and i havent played the new beta im waiting for it to be released officially as 3.4 im still running with 3.3

 

[AndreVeloso]

Mario's should have higher full hop's. For a man made famous for his jumping it really isn't highlighted in Brawl.

 

[GHNeko]

Mario's should have higher full hop's. For a man made famous for his jumping it really isn't highlighted in Brawl.

Ha. I think its good as it is. Luigi is supposed to jump higher than mario. And its been reflected in all 3 games. And besides, Mario's dont FH. They SH. ;D

 

[AndreVeloso]

Ha. I think its good as it is. Luigi is supposed to jump higher than mario. And its been reflected in all 3 games. And besides, Mario's dont FH. They SH. ;D

Too true, Too true. I just remember reading somewhere Jumping was his "Signature Move"

 

[GHNeko]

Too true, Too true. I just remember reading somewhere Jumping was his "Signature Move"

If that was the case, we should make the sweetspot for Mario footstools larger, because he's more known for jumping off/on things than just jumping in general. LOL.