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Bowser vs MK matchup discussion

Skyflyer

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As MK mains I want to see what you all think about how bowser does with MK. I presonally think MK has an advantage does to his speed and bowser being a big target. But the bowser boards, however think Bowser is on par with MK.

I just want to see what you all think.
 

Bowser King

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Your an idiot. We never said bowser is average with him. We know he has the advantage but you keep claiming MK 0-80 bowser. You really need to get your facts straight before posting.
 

Skyflyer

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Your an idiot. We never said bowser is average with him. We know he has the advantage but you keep claiming MK 0-80 bowser. You really need to get your facts straight before posting.
I've actually done that before to bowser.

And some people did say that bowser goes even with him.

as Samurai Panda mentioned Bowser in a list of characters that go even with MK.
 

JustNoOne

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If you done that to a Bowser, does that give MK the advantage?

Everyone can air dodge, spot dodge and sidestep. Explain please.
 

Master Raven

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Is there some influx of people who are suddenly confident about the vs MK matchups lately?
 

MrEh

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But the bowser boards, however think Bowser is on par with MK.
For god sakes, HARDLY ANY OF US SAID THAT BOWSER WAS BETTER OR EVEN WITH METAKNIGHT.

You're making such a big deal out of this. If you read the topic, almost all of us stated that Bowser is at a disadvantage. I can't recall myself or anyone else saying that Bowser is better. (minus the topic creator)

If you must know, us Bowser users aren't delusional idiots. We're perfectly aware that Bowser is at a disadvantage, but there's no way in hell the disadvantage is 20-80.
 

lain

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OMG Bowser is so good against MK.

Like all of his tilts go through tornado?

UPB out of shield killing at 90?

Ability to kill MK as early as 40%?

infinite cg?

grab-release into d-tilt?

raaapppeeee
 

MrEh

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OMG Bowser is so good against MK.

Like all of his tilts go through tornado?

UPB out of shield killing at 90?

Ability to kill MK as early as 40%?

infinite cg?

grab-release into d-tilt?

raaapppeeee
****? Bowser can't **** anyone.

It's extremely hard to tilt the Nado.

And you're never going to kill MK at 40%. What are the odds of hitting a fully charged Fsmash anyway?

The cg doesn't work all the time. All he needs is a jump release.
 

TKD

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Bowser's disadvantage is not 20-80. They're not even either.

EDIT: There are two matchup threads in the MK boards, an in-depth one and one stating the odds for each matchup. Does either say that MK beats bowser 80-20?
 

Sinz

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The match up thread on this forum is crap. Don't worry about it.

However,I believe that the match up is still in MKs favor.

Personally, I believe it to be a 65 35 in MKs favor.
 

MetaKnight63

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As MK mains I want to see what you all think about how bowser does with MK. I presonally think MK has an advantage does to his speed and bowser being a big target. But the bowser boards, however think Bowser is on par with MK.

I just want to see what you all think.

R U SERIOUS!!!!????

I can beat a comp Bowser LV 9 in a 2 stock match in under 2 Min!

I know it's a comp, but who cares?

You're right in the obvious that MK is faster than Bowser.

WAY faster!!

It's sad just watching Bowser suffer. :(
 

Sinz

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Dear God, please kill any player who uses lvl 9 computers as an example.

Sinzerely
Your favorite Sin
 

MrEh

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However,I believe that the match up is still in MKs favor.

Personally, I believe it to be a 65 35 in MKs favor.
Can't argue with that.

Simply considering that MK isn't a hard counter for Bowser is good enough for me.
 

Bowser King

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The match up thread on this forum is crap. Don't worry about it.

Personally, I believe it to be a 65 35 in MKs favor.
I agree too both things.



R U SERIOUS!!!!????

I can beat a comp Bowser LV 9 in a 2 stock match in under 2 Min!

I know it's a comp, but who cares?

You're right in the obvious that MK is faster than Bowser.

WAY faster!!

It's sad just watching Bowser suffer. :(
1. Learn to spell
2.Speed isn't everything
3. Every sentence you wrote had fail written all over them, especially the beginning 3.
 

MetaKnight63

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1. Learn to spell
2.Speed isn't everything
3. Every sentence you wrote had fail written all over them, especially the beginning 3.
I was saving time by TXT writing and blatantly expressing my point.

For the record, I've never played a HUMAN Bowser player.

For 2., apparently speed IS everything because that's what makes MK top tier and Bowser middle tier.

You see more people finding a counter-character for MK. (DK, Snake, Falco), because they're CLOSER to MK in tier and most of the time it works.

I understand you have a right to defend Bowser, but facts are facts.

If you don't believe me, look at this: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=192028 #1.
 

Zinc Elemental

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R U SERIOUS!!!!????

I can beat a comp Bowser LV 9 in a 2 stock match in under 2 Min!

I know it's a comp, but who cares?

You're right in the obvious that MK is faster than Bowser.

WAY faster!!

It's sad just watching Bowser suffer. :(
Here's the deal with fighting Bowser with MK. A bad bowser is VERY easy to beat as MK. That means, even if you're terrible, you will probably absolutely demolish your friend's bowser of equal skill.

However, things change once the Bowser gets better. It's certainly not an advantage for the Bowser all of a sudden, but proper spacing and properly used out of shield options give Bowser a big boost against MK.

Then again, a big boost means going from 80-20 in the noob-noob match-up to 65-35 with two good players.

That's my two cents, at least.
 

Crizthakidd

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but bowser can hold you in his flame for up to 40% is just 6 seconds
111111111111111!
 
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