Black Knight for Brawl (SPOILERS AHEAD)

[PurpleDoom]

actually, thats untrue. the guy on the throne has a cape. bryce did not have a cape, and ashnard's cape had a white fur lining... something like that.

 

[PurpleDoom]

Did I said that Black Knight sucked? No. And Actually, I don't think i'm trolling.

Well, Roy is actually the first GBA FE Lord, with Marth, helped to bring FE to the entire world, and also starred the 3rd Best-Selling game. Also, he is quite liked. He made an important thing bringing the FE games to the portable world.

Whereas, Black Knight, he is only important to the FE9-10 role, and only to Ike. He is only another generic FE villian. Other thing is that now with the options of the Assist Trophies and Bosses for the SSE, the Black Knight's chances as PC had went down, a lot.

Same applies to Roy when it comes to AT, but Black Knight's situation is actually... worse. Also most of people know that there are more important FE characters than the Black Knight, Roy being one of them.

Well, he's more likely to get in as an assist trophy or PC then say, Nergal. It's rare for a major character to star in more than one game, and I will note, FE6 was originally planned to be an N64 game.

 

[Roy-Kun]

Well, he's more likely to get in as an assist trophy or PC then say, Nergal. It's rare for a major character to star in more than one game, and I will note, FE6 was originally planned to be an N64 game.

Ike starred in two games, Marth is about to star in three games. The Black Knight is actually the villian. Those are the two shoes-in. The next ones on list are: Sigurd, Roy, Eliwood and Micaiah. one or two of those will get in.

And I do know that FE6 was planned for the 64, but Nintendo was smart enough to remember what happened with FE5, and didn't made the same mistake with FE6.

 

[Wu Tang Gang]

Did I said that Black Knight sucked? No. And Actually, I don't think i'm trolling.

Well, Roy is actually the first GBA FE Lord, with Marth, helped to bring FE to the entire world, and also starred the 3rd Best-Selling game. Also, he is quite liked. He made an important thing bringing the FE games to the portable world.

Whereas, Black Knight, he is only important to the FE9-10 role, and only to Ike. He is only another generic FE villian. Other thing is that now with the options of the Assist Trophies and Bosses for the SSE, the Black Knight's chances as PC had went down, a lot.

Same applies to Roy when it comes to AT, but Black Knight's situation is actually... worse. Also most of people know that there are more important FE characters than the Black Knight, Roy being one of them.

Saying Roy is much better than Black Knight as the simple logic that makes him unfit for Brawl=trolling.

I'll ignore the rest of your arguements, because it'll obviously be biased for Roy.

Black Knight is the Darth Vader to Ike. If he wasn't there, there'd be no spice the story as well.

 

[Roy-Kun]

Saying Roy is much better than Black Knight as the simple logic that makes him unfit for Brawl=trolling.

I'll ignore the rest of your arguements, because it'll obviously be biased for Roy.

Black Knight is the Darth Vader to Ike. If he wasn't there, there'd be no spice the story as well.

Precisely being the Darth Vader to Ike (excluding the father thing), he is the perfect candidate for Villian in the SSE, a personal boss for Ike. He is not fitting for PC, there are more deserving FE characters, if you deny this one: Sigurd, you got something wrong in your mind.

Hey, you asked for my reasons, and they are logical, I don't see any kind of biased reason there, since i'm 100% sure of what I typed.

 

[Wu Tang Gang]

Precisely being the Darth Vader to Ike (excluding the father thing), he is the perfect candidate for Villian in the SSE, a personal boss for Ike. He is not fitting for PC, there are more deserving FE characters, if you deny this one: Sigurd, you got something wrong in your mind.

Hey, you asked for my reasons, and they are logical, I don't see any kind of biased reason there, since i'm 100% sure of what I typed.

Sigurd's an Ike alt.

Darth Vader was in Lego Star Wars' playable roster.

Why can't Black Knight do it?

 

[Kirby knight]

Saying Roy is much better than Black Knight as the simple logic that makes him unfit for Brawl=trolling.

I'll ignore the rest of your arguements, because it'll obviously be biased for Roy.

Black Knight is the Darth Vader to Ike. If he wasn't there, there'd be no spice the story as well.

He is there, and guess what? He's not that important. Please stop using "what if" blah blah blah otherwise I could say:

What if Mist slapped the Black Knight so hard he was incapacitated. What if Greil never trained the Black Knight? What if PoR/RD were never made?

-Knight

 

[Roy-Kun]

Sigurd's an Ike alt.

Darth Vader was in Lego Star Wars' playable roster.

Why can't Black Knight do it?

Black Knight is not important to Fire Emblem as Darth Vader is important to Star Wars.

Simple. And Sigurd is not an Ike alt., I see no similarity between them when Ike has that color.

 

[Kirby knight]

Sigurd's an Ike alt.

Darth Vader was in Lego Star Wars' playable roster.

Why can't Black Knight do it?

Tell me is this Super Smash Brother's Brawl: Fire Emblem Path of Radiance/ Radiant Dawn addition?

-Knight

 

[Wu Tang Gang]

Instead of igoring my points, pay close attention.

If I take Black Knight out of both games, what would happen? Ike would have no motivation, his father would still be alive, the plot would be boring, and it'd be a Medieval Sim.

 

[Wu Tang Gang]

I saw it, look it up in the Ike board.

 

[Kirby knight]

Instead of igoring my points, pay close attention.

If I take Black Knight out of both games, what would happen? Ike would have no motivation, his father would still be alive, the plot would be boring, and it'd be a Medieval Sim.

First of all you can't. Secondly your doing exactly what I told you not to do, because it's dumb.

What if PoR without the Black Knight in the game became the best game in the entire world?

I mean come on don't use dumb logic like that as a foundation for your arguments.

-Knight

 

[raphtmarqui]

Instead of igoring my points, pay close attention.

If I take Black Knight out of both games, what would happen? Ike would have no motivation, his father would still be alive, the plot would be boring, and it'd be a Medieval Sim.

Black Knight wont be playable. Just get over it.
I have

 

[Wu Tang Gang]

First of all you can't. Secondly your doing exactly what I told you not to do, because it's dumb.

What if PoR without the Black Knight in the game became the best game in the entire world?

I mean come on don't use dumb logic like that as a foundation for your arguments.

-Knight

I won't argue with yousince you're obviously too **** dumb to take an arguement. Instead of trying to dumb it down idiotically, dumb it down with facts.

 

[Kirby knight]

I won't argue with yousince you're obviously too **** dumb to take an arguement. Instead of trying to dumb it down idiotically, dumb it down with facts.

What are you talking about?

This is what you said:

Originally Posted by Wu Tang Gang
Instead of igoring my points, pay close attention.

If I take Black Knight out of both games, what would happen? Ike would have no motivation, his father would still be alive, the plot would be boring, and it'd be a Medieval Sim.

The fact is this. The stories of PoR and RD have already played out and cannot be changed. So why bring up this "what if " stuff that's not even factual. I wish you would stick to the facts, and the fact is the Black Knight isn't that important overall to the timeline of PoR-RD.

I feel sorry for you, I thought I was presenting something that you could easily understand, but I guess it's a bit to much for you.

-Knight

 

[Wu Tang Gang]

He's quite important. The only reason you objected to the What If, is because you didn't want to acknowledge that he's a big reason Ike got motivation to wage war with Daein.

 

[Roy-Kun]

He's quite important. The only reason you objected to the What If, is because you didn't want to acknowledge that he's a big reason Ike got motivation to wage war with Daein.

Only for PoR, not for the FE universe.

The Black Knight didn't do anything important, and besides, he's only important to Ike, I can easily see a Boss fight between him and Ike.

Besides, making him playable would ruin the whole armour thing: Ragnell can only damage him.

 

[Wu Tang Gang]

lol at Ragnell can only do damage to him.

That's like saying Ridley's too big for Brawl.

Black Knight saved Miciah's life. Sounds much more important when you don't ignore the facts, don't it?

 

[Kirby knight]

He's quite important. The only reason you objected to the What If, is because you didn't want to acknowledge that he's a big reason Ike got motivation to wage war with Daein.

Well then how important is the Black Knight, according to you?

Is he more or of equal importance than the following characters?

Micaiah
Ike
Lekain
Sephiran
Reyson
Naesala
Tibarn
Caineghis
Dheginsea
Sanaki
Leanne
Elincia
Rafeil
Nailah
Elena (Ike's Mother)
Greil
Tormod

Spoiler

Ashera

Spoiler

Yune

That's 19 characters that are potentially more important than the Black Knight in the timeline of PoR-RD. (Please note I am in no way saying that they are in the running to become a playable character).

But it still stands that the Black Knight isn't that important. If he's so important why is he overshadowed by 19 other characters( I may be even missing some!!) in terms of importance?

-Knight

 

[Kirby knight]

Only for PoR, not for the FE universe.

The Black Knight didn't do anything important, and besides, he's only important to Ike, I can easily see a Boss fight between him and Ike.

Besides, making him playable would ruin the whole armour thing: Ragnell can only damage him.

Actually,

Spoiler

In Radiant Dawn the Black Knight's armour lost it's "blessing".

Not that it matters because SSBB is not exactly canon.

lol at Ragnell can only do damage to him.

That's like saying Ridley's too big for Brawl.

Black Knight saved Miciah's life. Sounds much more important when you don't ignore the facts, don't it?

Tell me then, why did the Black Knight save Micaiah? Do you even know the reason why?

-Knight

 

[Roy-Kun]

lol at Ragnell can only do damage to him.

That's like saying Ridley's too big for Brawl.

Black Knight saved Miciah's life. Sounds much more important when you don't ignore the facts, don't it?

Heh, whatever, I do think that's a very important thing, or else, the whole "Ike Vs. Black Knight" thing is thrown to the trash.

It's part of the plot, not very important. When I mean important I mean stuff such as:

Starring the GCN's FE Game (Ike)

Bringing FE to the Wii (Micaiah)

Being the 1st FE Lord (Marth)

Etc, etc. The Black Knight is not in none of those categories.

 

[gangstajuice02]

he looks awsome!!

 

[IllidR]

Starring the GCN's FE Game (Ike)

Bringing FE to the Wii (Micaiah)

Correct me if I'm wrong.. but Black Knight fits both of those categories.

 

[Zevox]

He's quite important. The only reason you objected to the What If, is because you didn't want to acknowledge that he's a big reason Ike got motivation to wage war with Daein.

Oh come on now, you can't seriously believe that. The only motivation the Black Knight gave him was motivation for revenge on him, pure and simple. Ike was already plenty interested in helping Elincia reclaim Crimea before his father was murdered. Hell, I'm pretty sure Ike didn't even know the Knight was a Daein general until they met later when he was leading the Crimean/Begnion army to retake the nation.

Zevox

 

[Roy-Kun]

Correct me if I'm wrong.. but Black Knight fits both of those categories.

*corrects* No. Is he the Main Hero? The Star? No.

Generally, the Star of the game is given the credit.

 

[IllidR]

*corrects* No. Is he the Main Hero? The Star? No.

Generally, the Star of the game is given the credit.

Well you should say that, but he is in the games that did those things. Plus, Ike would probably still be seen as the start over Macaiah.

 

[Kirby knight]

Correct me if I'm wrong.. but Black Knight fits both of those categories.

Hardly, the main focus of PoR and RD are Ike and Micaiah, not the Black Knight.

Brom fits both of those categories as well, just like the Black Knight....

-Knight

 

[PurpleDoom]

Ike starred in two games, Marth is about to star in three games. The Black Knight is actually the villian. Those are the two shoes-in. The next ones on list are: Sigurd, Roy, Eliwood and Micaiah. one or two of those will get in.

And I do know that FE6 was planned for the 64, but Nintendo was smart enough to remember what happened with FE5, and didn't made the same mistake with FE6.

You noted that the Black Knight was a villain. While he would be very fitting for an SSE boss, most of the major series that feature in Super Smash Bros. has at least one villain character. Fire Emblem lacks that villain, and since the primary FE focus at this time seems to be 9-10, Black Knight fits the bill perfectly.

 

[Wu Tang Gang]

Oh come on now, you can't seriously believe that. The only motivation the Black Knight gave him was motivation for revenge on him, pure and simple. Ike was already plenty interested in helping Elincia reclaim Crimea before his father was murdered. Hell, I'm pretty sure Ike didn't even know the Knight was a Daein general until they met later when he was leading the Crimean/Begnion army to retake the nation.

Zevox

Spoiler

Ike immediately questioned Ranulf when he found out Black Knight was alive.


Not to mention, he's been very solemn when he's ever even heard of a mention of him.

Did you notice that killing Greil made him one of the very important characters of the storyline, that surpass all the junk Kirby listed? That's the only reason why Ike was truly into the war. IIRC, he started to join the war around when BK killed his father.

 

[Kirby knight]

Spoiler

Ike immediately questioned Ranulf when he found out Black Knight was alive.


Not to mention, he's been very solemn when he's ever even heard of a mention of him.

Did you notice that killing Greil made him one of the very important characters of the storyline, that surpass all the junk Kirby listed? That's the only reason why Ike was truly into the war. IIRC, he started to join the war around when BK killed his father.

Excuse me? How in the hell does the Black Knight surpass both Ike and Micaiah? Not to mention the others characters I listed. I guess you can't read or haven't played PoR or Radiant Dawn.

You know nothing of the story.

-Knight

 

[Wu Tang Gang]

Excuse me? How in the hell does the Black Knight surpass both Ike and Micaiah? Not to mention the others characters I listed. I guess you can't read or haven't played PoR or Radiant Dawn.

You know nothing of the story.

-Knight

Spoiler

I played through all of PoR, and are up to the one with the guards sleeping with food, Lyre, Gatrie shows he's furry, I forgot the name of the chapter though.

Anyones, I just skimmed through the list. It seemed that you were just coughing up these character names like hairballs,(Tormod my ***) so it seemed BK was better than all of them.

 

[PurpleDoom]

Wu Tang Gang has a point. Ike decided to escort Elincia to Begnion and join the war - against his father's request - partly to hunt and kill the Black Knight, in the name of revenge.

 

[gangstajuice02]

i like blackkhnight in brawl!!!

 

[IllidR]

Any Black Knight fans we have left must assemble now! Help the BK out in the character battle thread under the Forum Games section. It's a pretty unfair matchup, having to go against Pit.

 

[shadenexus18]

It's only a matter of time when this will happen fellas. Just sit back, relax, and don't stress over the fact that BN isn't confirmed yet, it'll happen.

 

[IllidR]

It's only a matter of time when this will happen fellas. Just sit back, relax, and don't stress over the fact that BN isn't confirmed yet, it'll happen.

Hell yes it will! Black Knight will prevail in all his dark glory!

 

[Shuma]

Do i hear a Call from the Master? Knights of the Black Order, to war!.

 

[IllidR]

Do i hear a Call from the Master? Knights of the Black Order, to war!.

Yes! Knights of the Black Order! The Black Table! The Knights of the Round Table! Whatever your title may be! ASSEMBLE!!!

 

[Iceman12]

Black Knight would be sweet as a playable, clone Ike's moveset even for him, he's made of win. Throwing my hat in for support of him.

 

[Bass_GS]

I would like to see the Black Knight with his own move set that suits him rather then doing what they did with Roy and Marth