Bingo Mafia: OVAH! Who won?

[Pink Lemonade]

It's too bad TDW said this, PL
Though... in all honesty, this seems more like scum trying to get townies on their good side.



VOTE: KEVINM

srsly bored, let's just lynch him and move on with life.

Anyone have any speculation as to why there was no NK? If you happen to know you're bulletproof, should you claim?

I know, but TDW (and especially Kuz) is really hard for me to read, the only times I've ever read him correctly has been when there is a cop guilty on him.

I do not have any speculation about there not being an nk.

Asdioh I have a theory on the no NK, but I'll address it in my claim.

Should I just hammer then?

Glyph, if you have info that needs to be shared you should do that now or wait for everyone to claim before you hammer; any information that could point to scum you need to address toDay now that you hinted at having info, it will do no good if you get nk'ed and don't share it (this goes for everyone to whom it may apply).

 

[Aposl]

every mafia player we killed was revealed as goon, so i assumed that meant they were like the equivalent of vanilla townie. Is this wrong, mafia pr's dont get announced at they're deaths? If so my whole theory is shot XP

 

[Aposl]

Unvote

didnt know kevin m was at -1

 

[Asdioh]

awww Aposl you ruined it.

I was counting votes:
Soup, Seik, PL, Aposl, Asdioh. So yeah L-1

I really don't mind him being there. We've been sitting around doing nothing for like 3 days now.

yay inactivity

 

[Asdioh]

wait


I think I actually hammered Kevin?

 

[Aposl]

I wanted a mod kill XP

 

[Aposl]

anyone going to respond to my post about goons?

 

[Aposl]

its 2522, please someone tell me

 

[Asdioh]

Yeah it takes 5 to lynch, so I think I messed that up heh.

Glyph, if you think that your info or whatever you had is worth sharing at this point, go ahead.

If not, then I'll just hope the lack of NK was because Kevin wasn't active and we just won the game >_>

every mafia player we killed was revealed as goon, so i assumed that meant they were like the equivalent of vanilla townie. Is this wrong, mafia pr's dont get announced at they're deaths? If so my whole theory is shot XP

I can almost guarantee that the PRs are revealed on their deaths... I don't see why town PRs would be revealed, but mafia ones wouldn't.

 

[Aposl]

ok guys im really sick so im going to sleep

 

[Asdioh]

ok glyph, aposl's really sick so he's going to sleep.

 

[Pink Lemonade]

@Asdioh: I'm not sure if our vote was on Kevin or X1...Ran changed our vote to X1 and idk if I changed it back.

 

[Asdioh]

VOTE COUNT:

[2] KevinM - Soupamario / Seikend

[0] Pink Lemonade
[0] GandhiLaserGun
[0] Asdioh
[0] Seikend
[0] Aposl
[0] Soupamario
[0] Glyphmoney

[6] Not Voting: Pink Lemonade / GandhiLaserGun / KevinM / Aposl / Glyphmoney / Asdioh

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch!
Deadline set for Thursday, May 5th, Midnight GMT.

Unvote
Vote: X1

Vote: Kevin M

VOTE: KEVINM

Unvote

turns out I'm dumb and Kevin wasn't lynched

How did I add PL in there lol

 

[Aposl]

cant sleep, request mod kill on kevin M I will go to sleep as soon as my body lets me

 

[Pink Lemonade]

Lol well we were on KevinM at first, but we changed after that.

Unvote

Deff no longer in support of a GLG lynch.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Aight, I'll go ahead and lay it out then.

I'm the Bulletproof Contestant, I'd wager that I was the target for the NK last night and that's why nothing happened.

I should note that my role PM has this clause in it (i'll paraphrase)

"But watch out, your invulnerability may be rendered useless if scum gets a bingo!"

From what I can tell, scum get to pick a certain kind of power up from getting a bingo, and one of them eliminates my bulletproof...ness.

I hope this helps explain my play back during D1, what with the "certain liberties" and soft claiming a PR with BSL's VT stuff

 

[Asdioh]

Aight, I'll go ahead and lay it out then.

I'm the Bulletproof Contestant, I'd wager that I was the target for the NK last night and that's why nothing happened.

I should note that my role PM has this clause in it (i'll paraphrase)

"But watch out, your invulnerability may be rendered useless if scum gets a bingo!"

From what I can tell, scum get to pick a certain kind of power up from getting a bingo, and one of them eliminates my bulletproof...ness.

I hope this helps explain my play back during D1, what with the "certain liberties" and soft claiming a PR with BSL's VT stuff

I think Glyph is town. I personally expected myself or Glyph to be killed last Night.

Glyph, now that you've revealed what you said, does that implicate Aposl as scum for

I think this mostly because there where 2 bingos that could have happened last night, giving scum "powers" remember scum pr is still alive, has some power now, and gets more later... idk really but thats what it seems. I have a feeling they are trying to pull a fast one on us. Not sure just an idea...

?

 

[Asdioh]

By the way, Aposl, I think you should claim. Anyone else agree?

GLG 12
PL 10
Aposl 9
Glyph 9
Seik 5

GLG hasn't been here for a bit, but whenever he gets back he should definitely claim. PL, if you feel up to claiming anytime, go ahead. Seik, do it after everyone else, I guess.

 

[Asdioh]

I just found something I meant to quote earlier but forgot what it was..

Aposl: Is tricky, I'm going to say null. He has some things that are bad and some things that are pro-town. I do think scum Aposl is still possible because even though he is new, if he was scum we know he was under the wings of J, Kuz and GLG who could really help him.

can you explain the bolded?


unvote

 

[Pink Lemonade]

Kk so Glyph is deff town for anyone who doubted that entering toDay. I looked back on people's opinions coming into toDay about Glyph.

Soup said this:

1. Derp on my part.

2. Asdioh and Glyph are cleared, IMO.

3. Lynch kevinM toDay.

Vote: KevinM

Seik said this:

Disagree with the Glyph clear Soup.

I know I said it before but eh. Thinking about it, it's possible that it was an early bus. I know a D1 bus so early is usually really unlikely and stuff, but it's obvious J has had enough of being scum. And Glyph did catch onto J scum surprisingly early for a really odd reason.

I don't think Glyph is scum currently, but I don't want to give him a free town pass.

Asdioh said this:

I think Glyph is town. I personally expected myself or Glyph to be killed last Night.

X1 says this:

my picks

Kev
PL
Seik
Glyph

I'm keeping track. Had half the votes in, need to hear from Kev, Aposl, PL and Glyph. If you give top 4 thats ideal

Aposl says this:

Is it likely only one scum pr? and can anyone tell me the pr ratio thats likely from town to scum? Because obviously there is a scum pr based on the mods post of deceivers, but that doesnt neccessarily mean there are more than one pr for scum, and we have only had one real claim from town so far as to pr, so would 1 to 1 make sense?

I guess I want

Glyph
PL
X1
Kevin M
Seik

Sorry, this head of hydra is in class so reading quickly quickly :-/ alright thats true, but I'm still leaning towards Kevin regardless. Asdioh, Soup, Glyph, and Seik are all town reads based on their interactions with J/Zen and TDW among general town play for Seik, Asdioh, and on and off for Soup.

Kevin has by been the quietest and least concrete in his stances, but I was wrong about my theory on the nk so I will let Ran explain his reasons for X1.

I think this order works for both of us:

KevinM>GLG>Glyph>Aposl>Seikend

Then just throw us in there wherever.

So what we have is Soup, Asdioh, X1, and ourselves all agreeing with what connections and Glyph's play really lean towards: that Glyph is town.

Seik and Aposl on the other hand come in and say differently. Seikend is the most suspicious imo because he originally believed Zen lynch would lead to a Glyph clear but he changes his mind really randomly. Aposl is pretty suspicious though too with his multiple posts about scum prs (just found the one I quoted above from reading through the Day) and Glyph is randomly on the top of his claim list.

Obviously no input from Kevin because he has been inactive, but I think forgetting about Kevin for now Aposl and Seik need to be looked into with this information...

Also I get this feeling that Aposl knows that if Kevin is modkilled he will flip town, just by the way he has been talking -_- thats just a theory though.

 

[Asdioh]

ok everyone.

Here we have J claiming that scum did something to put a posting restriction on him. We don't know exactly what it does, but it seems that he can only post in pictures (and votes). The pictures can't be homemade responses (where he can simply put text in the picture instead of typing) but stuff he has to find on the internet readily available. He also claims this posting restriction lasts the entirety of D2.



Now ask yourselves:
-If he's telling the truth, how incredibly broken is that?
-If he's lying, .... welp, why would he lie? It's obviously not making him look any better.

So we have either a seemingly OP scum ability, or J being an idiot.

What an amazing post, simply because of that gif.



Anywho, looked back on J's earlier scumpicks, dunno if it'll tell us anything but here: http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12521240&postcount=1867

I'm backing off of AposlScum for now because of:
-his willingness to lynch J because he didn't believe the picture restriction BS
-his unvote when he noticed Kevin was at L-1

 

[Pink Lemonade]

By the way, Aposl, I think you should claim. Anyone else agree?

GLG 12
PL 10
Aposl 9
Glyph 9
Seik 5

GLG hasn't been here for a bit, but whenever he gets back he should definitely claim. PL, if you feel up to claiming anytime, go ahead. Seik, do it after everyone else, I guess.

Sure, we are vanilla townie.

I just found something I meant to quote earlier but forgot what it was..

can you explain the bolded?

Not GLG, I meant Gord because he was the other head of the TDW hydra and is also an experienced player. Confusion of G names is my bad ><

 

[Asdioh]

Sure, we are vanilla townie.

k.

Not GLG, I meant Gord because he was the other head of the TDW hydra and is also an experienced player. Confusion of G names is my bad ><

That's what I figured.

Time to finally look into Seik some more.

 

[Asdioh]

By the way, X1 is viewing, which means he'll post soon (on his hydra) and lead us to victory with helpful advice :D

 

[Pink Lemonade]

Also, since I'm doing a crappy job of explaining things right now, the reasons I think Seik and Aposl's views on Glyph coming out of the Night are suspicious because if one of them is the one who tried to kill Glyph and failed, they might have thought to add Glyph back into the possible "scum pool" to try and get him lynched since they can't nk him.

 

[Asdioh]

Makes sense.

By the way, Seik has over 300 posts in here. Shoot me.

 

[Aposl]

I will explain my votes, I voted last and voted in the order that would give me the answers I wanted to know, I know it was selfish, but I don't really have any buddies in this game, and have been playing on my own essentially the whole game XD. i got essentially everything I wanted, Kevin was already concretely in first position, so I didn't have to vote him first, I only added him because I felt he was scum, and not voting for scum is scummy looking, I voted glyph first so he would tie with me, I wasn't sure about him (my bad), I voted Pl because I still had that super vague lead, and x1 because I'm just not sure bout him, but seemed to make the most sense at the time.

 

[Asdioh]

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12463778&postcount=597
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12466442&postcount=687
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12466467&postcount=696
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12467833&postcount=760
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12467904&postcount=768
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12467967&postcount=775

These are all fairly townish-tells for me in regard to Seik... it's only partway through his D1 posts, obviously, and he's calling J and JTB both scum, but particularly J. It looks good for Seik, but I'm currently wondering why he ended up hammering JTB instead of J (look back where I compared the votecount, it was tied 6-6 but he switched to JTB and hammered him)

 

[Aposl]

Uhh i guess that makes him and kevin M scum... I still have a strong lead on Kevin though

 

[Asdioh]

more on seik
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12469591&postcount=823 his Jscum view starting to wobble
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12482734&postcount=1051 freaking Soup >:O
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12483240&postcount=1058 uh oh, lists JTB and J as town... even though he hammered JTB later, and J was scum... then again, his reasoning looks pretty solid, and if he were scum, why would he say J is scum a bunch of times and then back down...? I guess scum can do that, but the manner in which he did it seemed towny... maybe.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12483507&postcount=1062 <-- this is a post of my own from a long time ago listing town/scum picks.

anyway, more from seik: http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12485292&postcount=1076
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12487139&postcount=1110

it's unfortunate how he went from thinking J is scum, to thinking he is town and listening to him.

Nah. Asdioh lynch isn't evitable at this point, he doesn't need to claim yet. A Smarg lynch is possible, you said yourself that you'd vote smarg.

Honestly I am seeing Asdioh scum myself. But he is not claiming now.

Fine. Push the claim if you want Nabe.

If Asdioh flips town though, you know who I'll be looking at D2.

Ughh I snapped a little but Nabe is right. Claim please.

Asdioh, if you don't claim next post I will put you at L-1.

Nah, no buying it. You say you are disappointed to claim. Earlier on you seemed happy enough to claim, and back when you were put at L-1 you put yourself forward to claim.

Vote:Asdioh

Also I'm pretty sure that picture is the new .

hm.

Urghhh, I honestly haven't liked your recent play at all Asdioh but I believe your claim.

I'm still open to you being scum but you're fine for toDay.

One question though. Why so unclear on your stance on Smarg?

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12492917&postcount=1279
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12490699&postcount=1237
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12493404&postcount=1288
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12493626&postcount=1297


I don't knoooooooww wwhat tooo thiiinnk

if anyone can give me clear reasoning for Seikend being Town, please do so, with examples.

 

[X1-12]

imo Seik is town from the way he blatantly defended J in some part, scum wouldn't be so obvious I don't think, the way he mitigated in the Me/J arguement looks like he's clueless

Also we need to get kev replaced. There's been two protective roles so far and I'd expect at least some kind of investigative role out there. Get RR replaced in just so he can claim.

g2g school

 

[Asdioh]

Also we need to get kev replaced. There's been two protective roles so far and I'd expect at least some kind of investigative role out there. Get RR replaced in just so he can claim.

Yeah, this.

@mod: you said Red Ryu is a replacement or something... can you have him replace Kevin ASAP?

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

vote: Aposl

The more I look at it the more it makes sense to me. He's one of two people who seem to want me dead, while at the same time very carefully not calling me scum. And he seems to know something we don't with how he's going on about the scum team mechanics.

I've got a horrible habit of writing off newer players as town (huh Ran =P), and I don't want that to happen again.

 

[Kataefi]

VOTE COUNT:

[3] Red Ryu - Soupamario / Seikend / Aposl
[1] Aposl - Glyphmoney

[0] Pink Lemonade
[0] Asdioh
[0] Seikend
[0] Soupamario
[0] Glyphmoney
[0] GandhiLaserGun

[4] Not Voting: GandhiLaserGun / Red Ryu / Pink Lemonade / Asdioh

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch!
Deadline set for Thursday, May 5th, Midnight GMT.

Red Ryu now replaces KevinM. Welcome Red Ryu!

 

[Seikend]

'kay, time to explain.

D1 I wasn't on J at the end. I know I have been all over the place with J's slot.

So at the end of D1 I rushed in to defend JTB. The reason was a lot of J's play just before, especially J going from me scum to trusting me. Talking about how he could trust everyone to do the right thing. Didn't feel right at all. So I went with this gut JTB town read and tried to reason with him. I vote J, but then comes Kuz telling me what a dumb choice it was, that I was lynching the potential town PR because of a recent "gut" read etc. I think he said something about giving J a chance to prove his PR.

So combined with the PR claim, Kuz calling me out on a recent gut read, and that really I was not confident on my read on J, I backed down and went with JTB. However, when JTB flipped town this gave me a suspicion of TDWscum, which I express at the end of D1.

Why I wasn't on the TDW wagon in D2. So Nabe comes in, and his insistence that Soup was scum made me believe he was the cop. I asked him how confident he was in Soupscum and he gave something along the lines of "very". So I went with that, and tried to find a reason for Soupscum as evidence. Then the votecount rolls around, and Nabe isn't voting Soup. I comment on this iirc, and I honestly didn't believe Nabe was the Cop anymore. Which is why I didn't join the TDW wagon purely based on Nabe's "cop" result.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Well time to do a re read of 64 pages...give me a sec or a life time.

Anyone who can help fill me in on what has happened in a nutshell would be really nice.

 

[Seikend]

And hang on .__.

I was going to hammer on D3 on Zen but Asdioh and Aposl explicitly told me to not vote.


If you're going to scumhunt Asdioh based on votecounts, at least do it in context.

 

[Seikend]

Hi Red Ryu.

Your playerslot hasn't really done much of all.

D1 was a town mislynch, D2 and D3 we hit scum.

We're mass claiming toDay and you're top of the list.

You don't have anything scummy to explain really, your slot has just been horribly inactive.

 

[Aposl]

glyph I have stated how I came to my conclusions, I have presented all of my knowledge as being common knowledge yet you think I know something that everyone else doesnt...

 

[Aposl]

look at #2520 and then look at current bingo board in the perspective that there was no NK last night...