Bingo Mafia: OVAH! Who won?

[ranmaru]

J asked if others had already claimed watcher, as if saying "Well there isn't another watcher right? Ok I'm claiming watcher. If someone did claim watcher, they are scum."

I wanted your thoughts on it, Zen.

Glyph, what do you think of my 2234? Do you think the claim is legit?

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

No, Zen is scum, not the watcher.

 

[Xivii]

hello: sue

What did I ignore? How else should I adress your post? You're saying that there is no role or whatever it is that can give me the restrictions.

I'm saying there has to be.

You're voting me because you don't believe their is a role which is bad because there's an infinite number of mafia roles. Not much I can say to that other than you're scum for trying to lynch me for bogus reasons.

 

[Asdioh]

I can understand your reasoning, Zen.
You're wrong, though. If I knew TDW was scum, I would have picked a side: him or Soup. I wouldn't have 'acted' so unsure and indecisive over something so sudden. I would have either pressured soup hard, or bussed my scumbuddy.

Consider that wifom if you will.

Any other scumpicks besides me and Glyph?


freaking thunderstorms vs. my internet

 

[Xivii]

J asked if others had already claimed watcher, as if saying "Well there isn't another watcher right? Ok I'm claiming watcher. If someone did claim watcher, they are scum."

I wanted your thoughts on it, Zen.

Glyph, what do you think of my 2234? Do you think the claim is legit?

He asked because he was skimming and thought that someone might have claimed watcher. He was saying that if they did then they should be lynched because we are watcher.

Hello: sue

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

No, I'm voting you for the buuuuunch of reasons I've quoted throughout the thread. Most of my case is against J, the only thing I've got against you is the fact that the supposed posting restriction is wildly overpowered one day and then little more than a slight annoyance the next. Such a role simply would not exist.

Because J made it up.

And J was scum.

And you are now J, so you are scum.

 

[Asdioh]

It might be because I crumbed watcher.

Who knows, with J.
Still think he's scum though :\



My only theory for the supposed posting restriction power, is that other than being fake, it could diminish in effectiveness after being used on the same person already. Maybe.
Or it's fake.


Glyph, in the unlikely event that Zen flips town, who will you be looking at next day?

 

[Xivii]

hello: sue

Self-meta isn't a defense. Anyone can say that someone is wrong because that's how they play. I do it all the time as scum.

Just you and Glyph. Maybe Seik. I need to look over things again. Town on Soup and ghlg.

 

[Asdioh]

So how do you want me to defend myself? I admitted back then that I wasn't able to take a strong stance. I eventually chose TDW over Soup, but I wasn't on the final votecount because he was quickhammered.

 

[Xivii]

No, I'm voting you for the buuuuunch of reasons I've quoted throughout the thread. Most of my case is against J, the only thing I've got against you is the fact that the supposed posting restriction is wildly overpowered one day and then little more than a slight annoyance the next. Such a role simply would not exist.

Because J made it up.

And J was scum.

And you are now J, so you are scum.

hello: sue

A posting restriction is a posting restriction. And if the pic thing was one day, it's not that overpowered. It was gey, but I found a way to work around it.

 

[Xivii]

So how do you want me to defend myself? I admitted back then that I wasn't able to take a strong stance. I eventually chose TDW over Soup, but I wasn't on the final votecount because he was quickhammered.

hello: sue

You eventually chose tdw yet you voted Soup not tdw in which you had plenty of time to do so.

 

[Xivii]

hello: sue

Glyph so you believe my retriction is fake, yes? Tell me, what reason do you believe I would do this and how it would make me scum.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

It WAS insanely OP. So much so it wouldn't exist.

J faked the whole thing as a gambit to make it harder to lynch him. People are less willing to go after someone who can't defend themselves.

 

[Xivii]

hello: sue

Dude then why would my restriction be fake now?

 

[ranmaru]

Glyph. YOU ARE DA HERO

 

[Seikend]

Asdioh, if you tricked me with that cat picture .___.;

I need to look back at some things.


I like Zen's play so far, but not being able to question him about J's play is bleh.

 

[Seikend]

Went back and looked at some of D1, particularly around Asdioh claiming then the Smarg wagon.

I remember Asdioh self-clearing himself on the basis that he could have just voted Smarg as scum and got the mislynch but didn't. He also mentions he picked up on Smarg being the Doc. He also states that he doesn't believe the doc can self protect.

If he picked up on Smarg being the doc, then Asdiohscum could easily just NK Smarg /and/ get a mislynch D1 based on the current possible wagons (J/JTB). So that self-clearing was bs.

I'm not completely sold on Asdioh scum yet, but I'm considering it again. With an Asdioh scum flip I'd see Soup and Zen as town. Gonna re-read D2.

@Soup

I got some work for you if you're up for it.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=300540&page=32&pp=40

From the start of Page 32 to the end of Page 35

Care to read TDW (Gordito has a few posts too) said and see what you get?

 

[Aposl]

unvote

i have no idea, but if nabe wasn't cop then it is more likley zen is watcher, problem is you are useless as a watcher, and are being role blocked and distracting town so...why dont you just kill yourself, and when you flip we get glyph, if not this glyph versus j/ zen bs willhaunt this game till the end . Just a thought, but really have no other leads that will lead to exact results IMO.

 

[Seikend]

@Asdioh.

Agree with Soup town, thinking about J/Zen scum. It also makes sense :/.

 

[Aposl]

I mean we can put all doubt aside by, instead of risking a mislynch tell her/him to post without post restrictions, get a mod kill, then if zen doesnt die, lynch her. If she does die lynch glyph, or whoever we agree must be scum.

 

[Aposl]

oh and if zen refuses we lynch

 

[Asdioh]

Guys, thoughts on the bold plz.

@Asdioh.

Agree with Soup town, thinking about J/Zen scum. It also makes sense :/.

soooo I looked scummy D1 (which I can agree with to an extent), but D2 convinced you that my current reads are right, correct?

I mean we can put all doubt aside by, instead of risking a mislynch tell her/him to post without post restrictions, get a mod kill, then if zen doesnt die, lynch her. If she does die lynch glyph, or whoever we agree must be scum.

This.... is kind of a good idea.


Reeeeeeeealllllly need some more out of Kevin and GLG.

 

[Asdioh]

lol I quoted Ran in there by accident.

In relation to that quote: the fact that J had to ask "did someone else claim watcher?" just seems like he wanted to cast extra suspicion on me because of my crumb. Maybe he missed it entirely, who knows. Anyway, it was a terrible thing to say, regardless of how much he had to "skim."

 

[Asdioh]

broken search function + 60 second wait between searches =

goodnight.

 

[Seikend]

soooo I looked scummy D1 (which I can agree with to an extent), but D2 convinced you that my current reads are right, correct?

Not exactly. Didn't focus on you much D2, haven't had a proper chance to re-read, doing it now. I just read:

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12566963&postcount=2214

My main concern is it's looking at TDW's posts in regards to others, rather than people's posts on TDW. The latter is more reliable imo. I mean the former holds some weight, but scum can buddy town etc.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

On it seikend, but I need to adress something.

Okay, so, zen is with me on asdioh scum, and I still feel very strong about it, but sometimes I wonder if he is just with me to sway My thoughts, but I could say the same for everyone, I am really in the middle of this, and My mindset is just that, in the middle.

I struggle With going With My scum read, or believing My town read.

The options weigh equal, I feel I had something really good on asdioh, but noone seemed to bother, everyone is screaming at me to lynch zen..

I hear you.

I don't think a pr like this would survive this long, but I'm just not 100 percent, I think scum would keep him alive and just roleblock him, and try killing someone who could be traced back to a player.

This has not been the case, the most obvious nk has been...well nked, and I think they were just killing people like smarg to put More blame on him, and last kill was in fear too, and they are trying the same Thing as yesterday, and I am fighting a losing battle With this, but you know...I just don't know, I don't, I need asdioh clear, or I need zen clear, its a very hard decision.

I apologize for My rambling but I just don't know..

 

[GandhiLaserGun]

dod prodge

 

[KevinM]

I feel like Asdioh's crumb has put us in a stupid dumb spot.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

hello: sue

Dude then why would my restriction be fake now?

Because if you didn't fake it, it would have become obvious J had faked the original restriction. And then you would have been lynched.

I mean we can put all doubt aside by, instead of risking a mislynch tell her/him to post without post restrictions, get a mod kill, then if zen doesnt die, lynch her. If she does die lynch glyph, or whoever we agree must be scum.

I actually am fine with this plan. Anyone (other than Zen) opposed to this?

I feel like Asdioh's crumb has put us in a stupid dumb spot.

Kevin, where should we go from here then?

 

[Xivii]

hello: sue

unvote

i have no idea, but if nabe wasn't cop then it is more likley zen is watcher, problem is you are useless as a watcher, and are being role blocked and distracting town so...why dont you just kill yourself, and when you flip we get glyph, if not this glyph versus j/ zen bs willhaunt this game till the end . Just a thought, but really have no other leads that will lead to exact results IMO.

@ the bold. This is not true. How does me being roleblocked make me and less valuable than a Vanilla? Plus if other PRs show up, scum will have to choose between me and the others on who to nk and who to RB.

oh and if zen refuses we lynch

I'd rather be lynched than modkilled. At least connections can be brought forth from a lynch.

I mean we can put all doubt aside by, instead of risking a mislynch tell her/him to post without post restrictions, get a mod kill, then if zen doesnt die, lynch her. If she does die lynch glyph, or whoever we agree must be scum.

@bold: tell me, what do you mean about risking a mislynch? How is mislynching more harmful than mismodkilling?

Because if you didn't fake it, it would have become obvious J had faked the original restriction. And then you would have been lynched.

If J were faking, then it would make sense for me to continue faking, not come up with another one. Your case is all hypothetical.

 

[Seikend]

Disagree with the plan.

I think Glyph is town, regardless of whether Zen is scum or not. I've been in agreement with a lot of his points against Zen, and he hasn't been that tunnely: He's discussed other things proposed to him.

I don't really want to risk two mislynches based on Glyph's read, especially since I'm so unsure of Zen's alignment myself.


Also I agree with Zen's points concerning a mafia roleblocker and a lynch being preferable.


My Cop Results

N1 - Nabe - Inno
N2 - Soup - Inno

 

[ranmaru]

hello: sue

If J were faking, then it would make sense for me to continue faking, not come up with another one. Your case is all hypothetical.

Isn't this a bit wifom though? If J were faking, you could have continued it, or not. Null.

 

[Xivii]

Isn't this a bit wifom though? If J were faking, you could have continued it, or not. Null.

The same applies to Glyphs reasoning for wanting to lynch me. It's bogus.

hello: sue

 

[Xivii]

Seikend I'm really confused on where you stand on me.

hello: sue

 

[Xivii]

Asdioh, my 2251?

hello: sue

 

[Seikend]

I'm just as confused.

I've been really all over the place with your playerslot. At the end of D1 I had J as scum and had a lot of questions I wanted to ask.

On the other hand, if I just took your play so far I'd say town.

So I don't know. There's scummy things that J did that you can't explain for him. It really depends on whether I hold you responsible for J's stances etc.

For Zen, leaning town. For J/Zen leaning scum.

 

[GandhiLaserGun]

The same applies to Glyphs reasoning for wanting to lynch me. It's bogus.

hello: sue

so what you responded with an equally bogus defence just to satirise him? Or did you just figure that since he was getting away with it you'd try your hand at it too

 

[Seikend]

@GLG

Thoughts on Zen toDay please.

 

[Xivii]

The latter.

hello: sue

@x1

 

[Kataefi]

VOTE COUNT!

[3] Zen - Glyphmoney / Asdioh / Pink Lemonade
[1] Asdioh - Soupamario

[0] Pink Lemonade
[0] GandhiLaserGun
[0] KevinM
[0] Seikend
[0] Aposl
[0] Soupamario
[0] Glyphmoney

[5] Not Voting: GandhiLaserGun / KevinM / Seikend / Zen / Aposl

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch!
Deadline set for Thursday, April 28th, Midnight GMT.

Reminder to Ranmaru/July to post as Pink Lemonade