Best Sheik?

[araknophobik]

o.O
i dont base your sheik simply off of youtube vids, ive seen you use her in plenty of friendlys and i think i even played it in friendlys at oc3 or something
but friendlys are friendlys so there are not to be credited

i haven't followed any east coast tourny results so w/e im not saying your a bad player because you are, at the moment atleast, the best player in the country and probably the world. I just believe your sheik is good because your good, while your marth is zomggggg

don't take what i said personal it really is just my personal opinion on who the best sheiks are inwhich i don't base it off of how good the player is but stylistically how different and innovative it is as well.

 

[Drephen]

m2k your shiek sucks

 

[DaShizWiz]

Why is barely anyone saying Drephen?

Drephen is top 2 sheik in the country.

I think it goes KDJ, then Drephen. Then whoever after that. Come on now guys, lol. Drephen is definitely first or second no doubt.

 

[Aldwyn McCloud]

So wait... why are we automatically assume that Europeans are inferior to Americans? It makes me sick that even good players are doing this. Especially seeing we're talking about Nihonjin here. You know, I could definatly see the Europe in general, but the difference is slight at best, definatly nothing to scoff at.

Plus, nobody from America has even played Nihonjin/EK/Svampen/Masamune/etc., and no, Oro doesn't count, that was ages ago. People from America (most) have no idea what they're talking about.

It makes me laugh really. Like I'm not even kidding, the ignorance is amazing. A few American pros who like the steryotype that Europeans such just kind of through it out there as part joke, part friendly trash talk, part really believeing that, and all the vast American audience just regurjatates it with a few "lols" thrown in there. lame


I guess what gets me is the people who are supposedly using "comparative logic" to assume America is better when there is next to no evidence to prove it. In fact, watching the players in question play, Europe looks pretty d*** good...


Am I the only one who can watch the Europeans, see the mindgames, see how smart the players are, and recognize them as good and doesn't have to have some list of tournament results to tell me who is good and who is not? Because if you somehow think the Europeans are inferior by watching their videos, then you have no idea what you're talking about, I don't care if you're pro or not, doesn't make you the authority on judgement, especially seeing almost every pro opinion is contredicted by several other pros. Funny. There are several ways to play this game.

Other things:

The people that think Nihonjin wouldn't be good on NTCS are dumb (or alluded to rather, if people want to try to have some stupid technical argument with me).

Whoever said Svampen is a random Yoshi nullified any potential arguments they could have.

Whoever said KDJ beat Ken and he is therefore superior to Nihonjin the "non-accomplished" is ********. Nihonjin has very similar achievements. Remember how big of a deal it was when he beat EK, a very similar accomplisment.

as a European player I'm pretty much convinced that most of the American high level players would do pretty good here in Europe but seriously.. here we aren't speaking of europe in general but of the player who is by far the best european guy.. you can't **** around with Nihonjin that easily..

and anyway Drephen is definitely not the best sheik if you ask me. It's not like he's not good, but he wins because he's good as a player, not because he exploits sheik's moveset. No wonder Americans think sheik isn't a good character..

 

[IShotLazer]

Korean DJ's sheik is the best in my opinion.
It's tears up the tournament scene, and he plays her extremely aggresive, half the time it doesn't even look like he is trying.

 

[$hYne]

Normaly i would have said "kdj. 10chars"
But there are others to that compete on the same level:
m2k, cj, amsah to name only a few ...

personally i like m2k's sheik most ...
This debate is pointless however .

 

[jngshin]

i think many of you are basing your replies on the intricacies of how the person's Sheik is played. There's also a surprising amount of Nihonjin love. While I think Nihonjin is a great player, it's clear from the vids that KoreanDJ and Drephen outclass him skill-wise.

The top American players are the top in the world, especially in the field of mindgames. And in the end, isn't that what it all comes down to? I'm not being biased. A few years ago, Japanese players and American players were pretty even, but since then, Americans have taken the lead.

 

[Drephen]

as a European player I'm pretty much convinced that most of the American high level players would do pretty good here in Europe but seriously.. here we aren't speaking of europe in general but of the player who is by far the best european guy.. you can't **** around with Nihonjin that easily..

and anyway Drephen is definitely not the best sheik if you ask me. It's not like he's not good, but he wins because he's good as a player, not because he exploits sheik's moveset. No wonder Americans think sheik isn't a good character..

lol i use 3 moves and beat people, if that isnt exploiting moves i dont know what is

grab and downsmash lol

and dont base anything off of vids, if you are gonna base anything make it off of tourney results

 

[GOTM]

kdj obviously

 

[Aldwyn McCloud]

lol i use 3 moves and beat people, if that isnt exploiting moves i dont know what is

grab and downsmash lol

and dont base anything off of vids, if you are gonna base anything make it off of tourney results

basing everything off of tournament results KDJ, Amsah and CJ are better than you as far as I know. Exploiting moves means being able to use all of Sheik's moves rather than only grabs, spot dodges and down smashes.

 

[technomancer]

Drephen places top 5 pretty consistantly when the CoK kids roll down to C3 in MD/VA, and he's playing against the following:

Azen
Chillin
Team Arlington (Plank, G-Regulate, Aho)
M2k
PC Chris
Chu Datz


He's got tournament results all day. I'd also say that Plank is top 10 Shieks, I can't remember the last time he lost to a Fox.

 

[Drephen]

basing everything off of tournament results KDJ, Amsah and CJ are better than you as far as I know. Exploiting moves means being able to use all of Sheik's moves rather than only grabs, spot dodges and down smashes.

I said on the other page you cant compare NTSC with PAL, they are two different games. If Nihonjin came over here and started competing in tournaments then we could base things off of that

KDJ hasnt been to a tournament in 6 months so its hard to compare and CJ hasnt won anything in America, Japan, or wherever in forever

why does it matter how many moves i use to win? A win is a win, doesnt matter how you did it

 

[NeighborhoodP]

why would results matter yet videos of those said results in action not?

seriously guys.

 

[Ryuker]

i think many of you are basing your replies on the intricacies of how the person's Sheik is played. There's also a surprising amount of Nihonjin love. While I think Nihonjin is a great player, it's clear from the vids that KoreanDJ and Drephen outclass him skill-wise. .

Got any means to prove that they look about equall in technical skill too me....

The top American players are the top in the world, especially in the field of mindgames. And in the end, isn't that what it all comes down to? I'm not being biased. A few years ago, Japanese players and American players were pretty even, but since then, Americans have taken the lead.

You can't know this at all. All the Americans that travelled to europe, besides the doug which was ages ago, have been uncapable of securing a victory at a europian tournament.. How can you state the top americans are better in the field of mindgames then nihonjin is when they never met ?:S.
Maybe a bit of reference nihonjin has been beating Helios most of the time. Last time helios went to the states he had a really close set vs M2k. That's about the only material you have for these comparisons if you'r gonna go at it that way. It's also not like nihonjin absolutely ***** CJ or anything ( set's were pretty **** close). I think almost no one has been able to do that actually.

Still these arguments are stupid though the only answer you guys can find too this problem is that you have to wait till these players actually meet more often .... .

 

[Professor Pro]

KDJ, Nihonjin, CJ and Drephen top sheiks

 

[Aldwyn McCloud]

I said on the other page you cant compare NTSC with PAL, they are two different games. If Nihonjin came over here and started competing in tournaments then we could base things off of that

KDJ hasnt been to a tournament in 6 months so its hard to compare and CJ hasnt won anything in America, Japan, or wherever in forever

why does it matter how many moves i use to win? A win is a win, doesnt matter how you did it

that's why I said you aren't bad at all. Seriously, if I just saw a random sheik using only Dsmash, spot dodge and grab I'd think the player just sucks. But considering you get high placings in tournaments I have to assume that either all the people you play are ******** (rofl the answer is obvious) or that you are somewhat good with timings and overall knowledge of your opponent in using those 3 moves. That's your style and considering it makes you win it's ok like that. Now, in order to decide who is the best sheik (pointless thread btw, but flaming is always fun) there are 2 things that can be considered, which are tournament results (let's say more in general being able to win) and the ability to exploit the character's skills. Speaking of tournament results I can only directly prove that KDJ is better since CJ didn't recently travel in the US and Nihonjin didn't at all. CJ won several tournaments in Japan though and didn't get low enough placings to claim he isn't worth of being one of the best sheiks. About Nihonjin yes, I wish he travelled in the US too.. now speaking of the character's skills, I didn't really understand some of the moves you did in this video:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0XEmhleycOY

for instance, @ 00:53 I think you should have Bthrown Shiz off stage, @ 00:31 you should have done AFA, from 00:34 to 00:40 you should have grabbed the edge and Shiz should have just aimed to the edge since you didn't get it first. From 4:28 to 4:30 you should have killed him, @ 4:52 shiz should have died as well and in general I think you should smash less (expecially on your opponent's shield) and needle more. Also I wonder why Shiz didn't just punish the hell out of your jump approachs using Falco's Utilt.. and why you didn't Sh ANA out of shield in order to prevent Falco from pillaring you so much. This is my opinion on the match (yeah, I know it's a bit old now but I didn't find any other video).

And anyway, why is the NTSC version supposed to be SO different from PAL?

 

[Tope]

Her dthrow, being garbage in PAL is the biggest difference.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

Okay, amsah is PAL. that makes a whole lot of a difference because in PAL sheik is the only character to play at competitive level. Think fox in NTSC, but imagine every other character is nerfed down except him. Assuming we keep PAL players and NTSC players seperate, we are left with a few names. The ones that come to my mind are KDJ, DSF, Drephen and Captain Jack. KDJ hasn't been to many tourneys this year afaik, and even less while playing sheik. His sheik is good, but for the sake of inactivity i'm going to put him to the side. I havent heard about DSF in a long time, either. CJ is good with everyone, and went to europe and played with them for a while. i believe amsah was better, tho correct me if i'm wrong, i dont follow euro scene much. Drephen has been around for a while, very consistant, and always ranks high in tourney. 5th at FCD?

either way, all of these players are very very good.

 

[Tope]

Drephen placed 17th at a local MD/VA tourney.
He lost to KM and then Wife.

Both Plank and I placed above him.

 

[Aldwyn McCloud]

Her dthrow, being garbage in PAL is the biggest difference.

that's the point.. Sheik hasn't got just Dthrow. And btw Fox is nerfed as well in PAL, the characters who didn't get nerfed that much are Falco and Peach, not Fox. Fox, Marth and Sheik all got nerfed, yet they are top tiers here as well.

 

[Retroking2000]

its obv that aldwyn is the best sheik

 

[Aldwyn McCloud]

rofl, maybe I sounded a bit too hard while speaking of drephen but all I did was giving my impressions on the match and anyway my sheik sucks pretty much for now xD consider it a nerfed version of drephen with bad timing on those 3 moves.

 

[Retroking2000]

aldwyn MSN ??

 

[Plairnkk]

im the best sheik now anyway

 

[NeighborhoodP]

Am I the only one who has no idea wtf short hop ANA is?

 

[ZoSo]

Shut up, Jon.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

im the best sheik now anyway

no planks.

 

[Aldwyn McCloud]

Am I the only one who has no idea wtf short hop ANA is?

short hop ANA = short hop + Aerial Neutral Air

aldwyn msn = aldwyn89@hotmail(dot)com