"Best of" Pokédex

[Spire]

Stemming from my idea on the 12th page of the "Next Gen" thread, I've decided to start a thread dedicated to finding the absolute best 50 Pokémon from each Generation, to build the most balanced 200-creature index, cutting the official national dex by more than half.

My system is based around trying to select 3 representatives for each of the 17 types from each Generation. Remember, we are excluding all starter families and legendary Pokemon. I have devised an example list (which you guys may or may not approve of) for the 1st Gen:

1st Generation
> Normal = 6 (Jigglypuff/Wigglytuff, Chansey, Snorlax, Meowth/Persian)
> Fighting = 3 (Machop/Machoke/Machamp)
> Flying = 3 (Scyther, Gyarados, Dragonite)
> Poison = 8 (Grimer/Muk, Gastly/Haunter/Gengar, Oddish/Gloom/Vileplume)
> Ground = 4 (Onix, Geodude/Graveler/Golem)
> Rock = 4 (Onix, Geodude/Graveler/Golem)
> Bug = 4 (Scyther, Pinsir, Paras/Parasect)
> Ghost = 3 (Gastly/Haunter/Gengar)
> Steel = 2 (Magnemite/Magneton)
> Fire = 5 (Magmar, Growlithe/Arcanine, Vulpix/Ninetales)
> Water = 7 (Psyduck/Golduck, Magikarp/Gyarados, Seel/Dewgong, Lapras)
> Grass = 5 (Oddish/Gloom/Vileplume, Paras/Parasect)
> Electric = 5 (Pikachu/Raichu, Electabuzz, Magnemite/Magneton)
> Psychic = 5 (Mr. Mime, Abra/Kadabra/Alakazam, Jynx)
> Ice = 3 (Jynx, Dewgong, Lapras)
> Dragon = 3 (Dratini, Dragonair, Dragonite)
> Dark = 0
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POKEDEX:
1. Pikachu
2. Raichu
3. Vulpix
4. Ninetales
5. Jigglypuff
6. Wigglytuff
7. Oddish
8. Gloom
9. Vileplume
10. Paras
11. Parasect
12. Meowth
13. Persian
14. Psyduck
15. Golduck
16. Growlithe
17. Arcanine
18. Abra
19. Kadabra
20. Alakazam
21. Machop
22. Machoke
23. Machamp
24. Geodude
25. Graveler
26. Golem
27. Magnemite
28. Magneton
29. Seel
30. Dewgong
31. Grimer
32. Muk
33. Gastly
34. Haunter
35. Gengar
36. Onix
37. Chansey
38. Mr. Mime
39. Scyther
40. Jynx
41. Electabuzz
42. Magmar
43. Pinsir
44. Magikarp
45. Gyarados
46. Lapras
47. Snorlax
48. Dratini
49. Dragonair
50. Dragonite

Let's discuss how the Pokedex above can be changed to be more balanced and recognizable.

 

[SkylerOcon]

I assume that these lists are excluding the starters? Having a list of the 'best' 1st gens without Charizard, Blastoise, or Venusaur would be kind of awkward if starters were allowed.

 

[Clownbot]

If we're looking for pokemon that are memorable as well, I'd say Ditto.

For other gens, I'll say... Skitty and Delcatty are the only ones I can think of right now, for whatever reason.

 

[Spire]

Yes, these completely exclude the starters and legendaries. You know I would have put them all in there if they did include them

 

[Clownbot]

Seviper...

****, I'm still out. Let me check the official pokedex and come back here later.

EDIT: Hey, what about the Caterpie/Weedle evolution chains?

EDITEDIT: AND... Porygon.

EDITEDITEDIT: Also, Togepi for the 2nd gen pokemon.

EDITEDITEDITEDIT: First off, I'm sorry. 2nd, Lickitung.

I know that's too many Normal-types, so feel free to not include them.

 

[Spire]

Seviper...

****, I'm still out. Let me check the official pokedex and come back here later.

EDIT: Hey, what about the Caterpie/Weedle evolution chains?

EDITEDIT: AND... Porygon.

EDITEDITEDIT: Also, Togepi for the 2nd gen pokemon.

EDITEDITEDITEDIT: First off, I'm sorry. 2nd, Lickitung.

I know that's too many Normal-types, so feel free to not include them.

Caterpie and Weedle familes were cut because that would be 6 Bug types right there, and I felt Scyther and Pinsir were definitely more rewarding. And Porygon was highly considered, but I felt that the Magnemite family represented man-influenced Pokemon the best. And Lickitung, well, he's definitely an option.

What I've noticed about the four regions is that each connotes a different season of the year.

Kanto = Spring
Hoenn = Summer
Johto = Autumn
Sinnoh = Winter

I think this might need to be taken into consideration when selecting which Pokemon represent which region the best (hell, didn't I have a thread similar to that once?) and furthermore, which Pokemon should be selected for this project. That being said, my list above is incredibly subject to change.

 

[Bowser King]

I think this might need to be taken into consideration when selecting which Pokemon represent which region the best (hell, didn't I have a thread similar to that once?) and furthermore, which Pokemon should be selected for this project. That being said, my list above is incredibly subject to change.

I'm pretty sure you said that in the "5th Gen thread".

The list so far is good, nice job.

-Bowser King

 

[Clownbot]

If Sinnoh=Winter, I guess... Mamoswine and Gallade?

EDIT: Oh, wow, I'm an idiot... I meant Froslass, I have absolutely no idea whatsoever why I said Gallade. Sorry.

 

[M.K]

Replace Seel/Dewgong with Goldeen/Seaking, the original "fish" Pokemon.
Plus, **** YEAH, SEAKING.

 

[Greenstreet]

I would definitely vote for Lickitung.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I don't like the way this thing is organized...

Each representing multiple types...

FLying, for example, has better representatives by itself such as PIdgeot and farfetch'd but the way this thing is organized they would have to remove dragonite, scyther, meowth, and snorlax so the flying reps are forced to be other types that people wouldn't usually use to represent flying type


ALSo, you missed that Dewgong has 2 forms...it evolves from seal

 

[Clownbot]

Whatchoo talkin' bout? He put Seel there.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Whatchoo talkin' bout? He put Seel there.

NOt in the ice catergory

 

[Clownbot]

Oh.... No, Seel is only a WATER-type pokemon. Purely water-type.

That or Spire messed up. I'm too lazy to check right now.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Oh.... No, Seel is only a WATER-type pokemon. Purely water-type.

That or Spire messed up. I'm too lazy to check right now.

OH yeah, nm...

It just looked weird not having the evolutions together

 

[Spire]

Perhaps categorizing Pokemon by primary type only would be wiser in this endeavor, with the exception of those such as the Pidgey family, who obviously represent their secondary type more.

 

[XACE-K]

The list looks good, but I think it should include and because Slowpoke is well known and if it's included, we would need it's evolved form.

 

[Fuelbi]

The list looks good, but I think it should include and because Slowpoke is well known and if it's included, we would need it's evolved form.

if you include them in the list then you should include too i mean with out you couldnt have . and in my opinion you are missing this pokemon , and . if those pokemon are in the list sorry caus i am not looking at the list as i am writing right now..

EDIT: yeah never mind and are there but i still think should be there. in the series it was one of misty's most important(and random) pokemon

ANOTHER EDIT(sorry): i just noticed that was also there. sorry didnt see the name there.

 

[Melfice z]

No pidgey for a flying represenative?

 

[Cease Tick]

I'd consider adding Horsea/Seadra so that you could include Kingdra as a rep for 2nd gen. It's a nice start.

EDIT:

2nd Generation
> Normal = 8 (Igglybuff, Blissey, Togepi/Togetic, Smeargle, Girafarig, Teddiursa/Ursaring)
> Fighting = 1 (Heracross)
> Flying = 10 (Hoppip/Skiploom/Jumpluff, Skarmory, Togetic, Murkrow, Crobat, Yanma, Mantine, Gligar)
> Poison = 4 (Quilfish, Spinarak/Ariados, Crobat)
> Ground = 6 (Steelix, Swinub/Piloswine, Larvitar/Pupitar, Gligar)
> Rock = 6 (Larvitar/Pupitar/Tyranitar, Shuckle, Magcargo, Sudowoodo)
> Bug = 6 (Scizor, Heracross, Spinarack/Ariados, Shuckle, Yanma)
> Ghost = 1 (Misdreavus)
> Steel = 3 (Scizor, Steelix, Skarmory)
> Fire = 5 (Magby, Houndour/Houndoom, Slugma/Magcargo)
> Water = 7 (Kingdra, Quilfish, Chinchou/Lanturn, Mantine, Marill/Azumaril)
> Grass = 4 (Bellossom, Hoppip,/Skiploom/Jumpluff)
> Electric = 7 (Elekid, Pichu, Chinchou/Lanturn, Mareep/Flaaffy/Ampharos)
> Psychic = 3 (Smoochum, Wobbuffet, Girafarig)
> Ice = 4 (Smoochum, Sneasel, Swinub/Piloswine)
> Dragon = 1 (Kingdra)
> Dark = 5 (Sneasel, Tyranitar, Murkrow, Houndour/Houndoom)

In 1st Gen I switched Grimer/Muk for Zubat/Golbat and Psyduck/Golduck for Horsea/Seadra. If Hitmonchan/Hitmonlee get added I can add Tyrogue/Hitmontop, but I don't want to mess with the list anymore.

I'll put these in order in a minute. Please comment. Remember that there are only 85 pokemon to choose from, so there's tons of filler.

EDIT 2:

51. Spinarak
52. Ariados
53. Crobat
54. Chinchou
55. Lanturn
56. Pichu
57. Igglybuff
58. Togepi
59. Togetic
60. Mareep
61. Flaaffy
62. Ampharos
63. Bellossom
64. Marill
65. Azumarill
66. Sudowoodo
67. Hoppip
68. Skiploom
69. Jumpluff
70. Yanma
71. Murkrow
72. Misdreavus
73. Wobbuffet
74. Girafarig
75. Gligar
76. Steelix
77. Quilfish
78. Scizor
79. Shuckle
80. Heracross
81. Sneasel
82. Teddiursa
83. Ursaring
84. Slugma
85. Magcargo
86. Swinub
87. Piloswine
88. Mantine
89. Skarmory
90. Houndour
91. Houndoom
92. Kingdra
93. Smeargle
94. Smoochum
95. Elekid
96. Magby
97. Blissey
98. Larvitar
99. Pupitar
100. Tyranitar

 

[XACE-K]

if you include them in the list then you should include too i mean with out you couldnt have .

Just because Slowpoke evolves into Slowbro with the help of Shellder in the anime doesn't mean anything. The anime has done tons of things wrong that wasn't like the games which it's supposed to be based upon. So we Slowpoke doesn't need Shellder and vice-versa.

 

[Mic_128]

I think it's a bit lame to include members of an evolutionary chain, for example the 3 fighting pokemon are just Machop, Machoke and Machamp. I think ti'd be better if you just went with the final evolutions which would free up more slots (for example, Hitmonchan and Hitmonlee)

 

[Melfice z]

(@ cease tick)

i think tyrogue would make a good represenative for the fighting types of 2nd gen.

 

[Cease Tick]

(@ cease tick)

i think tyrogue would make a good represenative for the fighting types of 2nd gen.

Yeah but I couldn't include him without without Hitmonchan and Hitmonlee being in 1st gen. Idk what to take out to make room for them.
EDIT:

3rd Generation - 1st Draft
> Normal = 3 (Azurill, Kecleon, Zangoose)
> Fighting = 3 (Breloom, Makuhita/Hariyama)
> Flying = 3 (Beautifly, Tropius, Salamence)
> Poison = 3 (Roselia, Seviper, Dustox)
> Ground = 5 (Numel/Camerupt, Trapinch/Vibrava/Flygon)
> Rock = 3(Aron/Lairon/Aggron)
> Bug = 5 (Wurmple/Silcoon/Beautifly/Cascoon/Dustox)
> Ghost = 4 (Shuppet/Banette, Duskull/Dusclops)
> Steel = 6 (Aron/Lairon/Aggron, Beldum/Metang/Metagross)
> Fire = 3 (Torkoal, Numel/Camerupt)
> Water = 7 (Feebas/Milotic, Carvanha/Sharpedo, Spheal/Sealeo/Walrein)
> Grass = 4 (Roselia, Shroomish/Breloom, Tropius)
> Electric = 4 (Electrike/Manectric, Plusle, Minun)
> Psychic = 7 (Wynaut, Ralts/Kirlia/Gardevoir, Beldum/Metang/Metagross)
> Ice = 3 (Spheal/Sealeo/Walrein)
> Dragon = 5 (Bagon/Shelgon/Salamence, Vibrava/Flygon)
> Dark = 3 (Carvanha/Sharpedo, Absol)

I'm a lot more uncertain about this list than the previous one. There are tons of cool pokemon in 3rd gen and I tried to add what I thought was most important. Comments are welcome.

EDIT 2:

101. Wurmple
102. Silcoon
103. Beautifly
104. Cascoon
105. Dustox
106. Ralts
107. Kirlia
108. Gardevoir
109. Shroomish
110. Breloom
111. Makuhita
112. Hariyama
113. Azurill
114. Aron
115. Lairon
116. Aggron
117. Electrike
118. Manectric
119. Plusle
120. Minun
121. Roselia
122. Carvanha
123. Sharpedo
124. Numel
125. Camerupt
126. Torkoal
127. Trapinch
128. Vibrava
129. Flygon
130. Zangoose
131. Seviper
132. Feebas
133. Milotic
134. Kecleon
135. Shuppet
136. Banette
137. Duskull
138. Dusclops
139. Tropius
140. Absol
141. Wynaut
142. Spheal
143. Sealeo
144. Walrein
145. Bagon
146. Shelgon
147. Salamence
148. Beldum
149. Metang
150. Metagross

Also in 2nd gen I changed Delibird to Sudowoodo.

 

[Melfice z]

Nosepass for rock? =3

 

[Fuelbi]

Just because Slowpoke evolves into Slowbro with the help of Shellder in the anime doesn't mean anything. The anime has done tons of things wrong that wasn't like the games which it's supposed to be based upon. So we Slowpoke doesn't need Shellder and vice-versa.

i dont know i think the series is pretty important when deciding what pokemon to put in the list. the series is in my opinion just as important as the games. even if the series doesnt matter a thing

 

[sammy p]

i like the 3rd gen list!
heck i like all 3 so far all of them i agree.... theres just no solrock and lunatone for the rocks... or noseapss but i CAN see why they werent added
though i think i wuda put the aggron fam in steel and put those 3 for rock!!
k im done!! good job

 

[Katapultar]

What about Houndoom for dark maybe? Some of the steel, dark pokemon from 2nd Gen should go there, being their first appearance to represent the type. We can't forget the strong Tyranitar either, or Dragonite, or Metagross, or Salamence or Garchomp. They were like near-legendaries.

 

[Platypus]

I think I'll make my decisions by which monsters are the best-calibrated. Ludicolo, for example, is a much better Water-type than Crawdaunt (in my opinion), simply because its Water weaknesses are canceled outright by the Grass attribute. It's not just a pile of attacks glued together with the animal species as a base.

To paraphrase:

Ludicolo for Water-type,
Ralts for Psychic-type,
Torkoal for Fire-type,
Solrock for Rock-type,
Vigoroth for Normal-type,
and Trapinch for Ground-type.

Is anyone else tasting pop-ups?

 

[FAILchion-]

Where's Starmie and Rhydon? :/