best method for avoid falco lasers?

[Mauro89]

hi ^^ thanks

 

[Bl@ckChris]

powershield.
using platforms.
fullhop aerials (fair makes ganon more hoizontal)

that's mostly what I use.

 

[spider_sense]

Bairs and double jumps (use sparingly though) make Ganon smaller, so it's easier to get around lasers as well.

 

[Mauro89]

these methods are good also for avoid peach,dr mario,etc. items? thanks ^^

 

[spider_sense]

these methods are good also for avoid peach,dr mario,etc. items? thanks ^^

Eh you can catch Peach's turnips and hit Dr. Mario's pills. But I suppose you could if you wanted, but I think hitting Dr. Mario's pills are great for zoning.

 

[Mauro89]

what is zoning? best strategies for hit dr mario,mario and luigi items?

 

[spider_sense]

Zoning is a term used in fighting games, it means to slowly corner your opponent while he's trying to throw out projectiles but keeping yourself spaced in case he decides to come in. You can jab, fair, bair or tilt the pills when they come at you.

 

[Pawls to the Wall]

Powershield > Full hop Uair out of shield. If timed properly, you will shield his laser and the Uair should hit falco as he approaches. Of course you have to mix it up.

 

[spider_sense]

Powershield > Full hop Uair out of shield. If timed properly, you will shield his laser and the Uair should hit falco as he approaches. Of course you have to mix it up.

You can also uair him if he's close to you and hit him way before he pulls out his gun to shoot.

 

[n0ne]

Yup what spider sense and Bl@ckchris said. Just remember if your trying to bair, or reverse uair... it just takes ONE laser to be automatically turned around, its pretty dumb but thats the way it is, youll have to turn around again and start all over again or change tactics.

Well-timed front B works well also because it ignores lasers if u time it right, (just like raptor boost with Falcon) just remember its pretty easy to get punished if u miss so keep that in mind.

Using platforms, ledges, full hop to late double jumps (+ wavelanding), powershielding is the best overall if u master it, or getting used to back rolls, because ganons is i think one of the fastest if not the fastest back rolls.

 

[Renth]

Stand there and take them like a man. then when he's confused to why you are letting him hit you that high randomly warlock punch.

It'll work I SWEAR

 

[n0ne]

haha good one

 

[Siel]

Eh you can catch Peach's turnips and hit Dr. Mario's pills. But I suppose you could if you wanted, but I think hitting Dr. Mario's pills are great for zoning.

???
You can hit Docs' pills?
What the hell...

 

[Pawls to the Wall]

???
You can hit Docs' pills?
What the hell...

Didn't know that? If you just space bairs properly to kill the pill, Doc will never be able to approach you.

 

[-ACE-]

Yep. Bair is great on pills, as well as spaced fairs and ftilts.

 

[Pawls to the Wall]

I disagree with Fair being a good choice against pills. The hitbox of the Bair hangs behind Ganon long enough to not only hit the pill, but also to hit doc when he runs into it. All you do is Full hop, Bair, Fast fall, and the hitbox will create a wall that the pills can't get through.

 

[-ACE-]

Yeah bair is definitely the best option due to the disjointed fist and the duration of its hitbox, but sometimes you don't have the time or proper positioning to turn around. It's also not impossible to nullify a pill and hit your opponent with fair. Retreating fair also works when the pill is too close for you to fully space a ftilt.

 

[Siel]

Ahh, sorry didn't know that. But , thats awesome. I dont get to play many Docs

 

[Pawls to the Wall]

I learned how to play this game fighting a Doc main. He was my first pro opponent and we played at a college almost every day.

The bair wall technique was one of the things that ultimately led him to switch mains to Sheik.

 

[DippnDots]

Take his gun man, he can't shoot jack **** without it. :D

 

[dark oasis]

You can stop a pill with a plain ole' jab as well.

 

[Pawls to the Wall]

You can stop a pill with a plain ole' jab as well.

You won't hit many that way.

 

[-ACE-]

You won't hit many that way.

True .

 

[dark oasis]

I could hit every one of them...lol.

 

[-ACE-]

I could hit every one of them...lol.

Tell the Docs that you're playing against to step up their pill game.

 

[dark oasis]

Tell the Docs that you're playing against to step up their pill game.

Argh...I am good at stopping/getting around pills. 8P

 

[DippnDots]

Unless you can pivot jab like a monster i'd have to side with ace here

 

[Pawls to the Wall]

I can pivot jab like a monster! Maybe I should make a vid.

 

[dark oasis]

I don't know about 'monster', but I am good at it.

 

[-ACE-]

It doesn't matter how well you can time your jab or pivot jab. A good Doc is going to use his pills wisely and try his best to put you into an awkward position, so you will have to at least shield if not take a hit. The jab is very limited because of the specifics of its position. The bottom line is, pills aren't always at perfect jab-height; which is why aerials are the overall best answer. Bair works best, but tilts and fair also work well. You should try to learn all of Ganon's hitboxes so you know how to nullify projectiles like pills in almost any situation.

 

[dark oasis]

I suppose I just haven't played any really good Dr. Mario's yet. I agree, the jab is not the best way, I was just saying that you could use the jab.. but again, perhaps I haven't put it to the test yet.

 

[kupo15]

Sometimes CC the lasers is a good way to counter them.

 

[TobiasTruth]

I didn't go through all the replies. But wavedashing out of the shield is a super good way to get out of range of falco's dairs and nairs if u space it right! Also if your getting shield pressured never do anything out of shield till the falco uses a reflector. However that wouldn't work against a falco the grabs outa sheild.

Hope this helps

G