Best Martial Art?

[smashplayer16]

What do you think is the better Martial Art out of Karate Kung FU and other Muay Thai and those other Martial Arts. Me right now I kind think Kung Fu is the better. I say that because they have all the guys Bruce Lee, Jeet Li and Jckie Chan and some others.TOO bad they are no good examples because they are always getting beat up by MMA on youtube. But you decide.

 

[Rici]

First of all, you can't say one fighting style is better than the other, it really depends on the fighter. Second, it's a bit stupid to think that a fighting style is better than the other just because some famous people have done it. Thirdly, I believe it was Bruce Lee who said to be like water, because water can shape in all ways. By that he means that you 'bend' your style in each fight which it fits best. Yes he started doing Kung Fu, but in the end he found that every fighting styles has it ups and downs. You just have to find a combination which fits you best.

Btw, I've done karate (Wado-style) for 9 years now and April 22th I'm going to try to get my black belt =] . I think it'd pretty cool if I'd get it at the age of 16. =]

 

[smashplayer16]

Cool Iv'e been doing ****o-Ryu Karate for 2 years.

 

[Bazooka Lucca]

Watch the protector or Ong-bak... Greatest muay thai movies ever.

Muay Thai would kick anyone's ***!

 

[Cyphus]

Bruce Lee was disciplined in Kung Fu..but if it were not for his acrobatics and flashyness, would not have made it into the mainstream.
Originally he DID think KungFu was the best, but later he ackowledged that as a biasness and made his own martial art- Jeet Kun Do, his synthesis of the most 'realistic' tactics from all styles. (including taekwondo, judo, aikido, etc)
Not to take anything away from bruce, he's one of my heros and one of the best fighters of his time i'm sure, but people underestimate the advantages of size (see weight divisions...) and i'm sure a good 300 lb trained fighter would beat his 140 lbs more than not.
(Although it doens't matter how big u r...a luck, clean strike to the chin will KO anyone- so anything is possible..just not likely)

but anyway...
The martial art is only as good as the one taking it. Anyone can raise the bar for their discipline. The problem is not limiting urself to a martial art's "style".
I'm a blackbelt in TaeKwon Do, but in a real fight, i know better than to just kick. I box and wrestle with friends and give those much more priority in my fighting mentality when i spar.

another important point is using what u can be good at.
someone 5'5 isn't going to get much use from TaeKwonDo. Someone tall and skinny isn't going to a prodigy in judo. Someone 300 lbs is going to have a a hell of a time learning jeetkundo, and someone completely muscle bound is going to be much less maneuverable in grappling situations.

But as far as the UFC goes, Brazilian JuJitsu and MuayTai kicking boxing (spelling on those) are the most favored to know.
But the UFC is not w/out its rules. No pinching, biting, groin-hitting, strikes to the back of the head, gouging, and fishhooks to mouth, etc.

Martial arts heavy in pressure point skills such as HapkiDo and Aikido are severly handicapped in the ring, but its for reasons not unjustly designed. It is demeaning for "entertainment" and "sportsmanship" purposes if someone can escape a rear naked choke by twisting the groin or sucking someone's eyeball out their skull (which is very, very possible and actually a tecnique of DunMak Kung Fu [again bad spelling])

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the best answer i can give you is KickBoxing(for ur upright) and JuJitsu(for ur ground) everything else, u only need the basics of for occasional use: such as judo or sumo/wrestling.

 

[MaxfireXSA]

Kung Fu, Jeet Kune Do, ninjutsu, kickboxing, and Karate was the best Martial Arts that I've ever seen.

I take Shotokan and Kyokushinkai Karate and Tae-Kwon-Do at YMCA, until I quit the lesson.

Until I was gonna learn all styles of Karate, Jeet Kune Do, Jujitsu, Kick Boxing, Judo, Kung Fu, and Ninjutsu.

 

[streetracr77]

I used to do Tae-Kwon-Do and Karate when I was a kid.
Now I think Muy Thai is pretty cool.

 

[Witchking_of_Angmar]

I agree with Cyphus to a large degree. Also, you have to consider that many martial arts also have "sub-styles." In Tae Kwon Do, my chosen martial art, everyone just flat out tell you that what you learn for sparring is not gonna be much use on the streets. Instead, street fighting is another discipline "inside" of Tae Kwon Do, where you rely on quickly breaking and twisting things instead of using fancy jump spinning hook kicks to the head.

In the end, reliance on one style is never really good anyway; that would be far too rigid and narrow.

 

[Mazaloth]

someone 5'5 isn't going to get much use from TaeKwonDo. Someone tall and skinny isn't going to a prodigy in judo. Someone 300 lbs is going to have a a hell of a time learning jeetkundo, and someone completely muscle bound is going to be much less maneuverable in grappling situations.

That's not true, one has to take into account Physics in martial arts. With TKD the less mass you has the higher your velocity will be. I'm 5,4 and I can hit a 6,3' person with a kick, and it WILL hurt.

In Judo, someone skinny doesn't have as much Vyi PM or Fv on them. Meaning the fall will be less then if it was someone who was weighty.
Yes, the person that was more weight would have an advantage, but anything is possible, limiting the art to streotypical fighter physique isn't a good thing to do.

I am simply saying that it is the person not the art.

I love Mantis Kung fu, I love Snake style Hwa rang do, as well as Muy Thai, and Judo, and Savate, and Siliate, and Monkey style, and Shaolin, and TKD, and Kempo, and Kendo/Kumdo.
There is positives and negitives. But anything is possible.

 

[choknater]

Some techniques are very interesting to watch because it shows how destructive (and also how vulnerable) the human body can be. It takes mere seconds to severely injure or even take the life of another person. I suppose that is why it must be called an "art" since taking it to these levels is a matter of creativity and discipline, and why self-defense and competition/exhibition are the only practical applications.

 

[FalcoDude57]

Esssssskkkkkrrrrriiiiimmmmmaaaa ftw

 

[1048576]

cracked.com has a good article...

I like the one that focuses on hitting people in the nuts.

Also, Voldo's martial art from the Soul Caliber series is by far the best.

 

[samalamading]

For MMA my Bf told me three backgrounds martial arts, that are the best combination.

First
Wrestling- wrestling has many advantages when it comes to skill, it teaches you how to control someone and maneuver on the bottom or on top. It teaches take downs and slams. also if you do HS wrestling It will teach you how to cut weight and train hard(at a high school level and college level, wrestling is the most intense sport), it will do wonders. The only downside is that when ever you get put on your back you will panic.

Ju-Jits-su- both Japanese and Brazilian(if your going for one go for Japanese). It will cancel out the wrestling mentality of panicking when you hit the ground on your back. It will teach you submission defense and offense. With Wrestling and JJS, you can win almost all your fights.

Muy Thai- Thai is the most brutal up fighting ever. Its teaches you more then boxing and you learn to kick. It will make a solid fighter combined with the other 2.

 

[Mr.Fakeman]

Muy Thai- Thai is the most brutal up fighting ever. Its teaches you more then boxing and you learn to kick. It will make a solid fighter combined with the other 2.

I'm learining this as soon as I get my Black belt from Goshin-Kan Karate-do, I picked up Muay Thai as a random interest when I was playing Tekken 5. In the game there is this character that does Muay Thai 'Bruce', he's fun to play with aside from the funny movements. I also heard it was really good from a couple of mates.

 

[SirroMinus1]

it all depends on the fighter.

 

[Oracle]

there really is no "best" style. The best option would be to learn a lot of styles and incorporate the best elements of all of them.

 

[Mr.Fakeman]

there really is no "best" style. The best option would be to learn a lot of styles and incorporate the best elements of all of them.

Ultimately true!

 

[Mazaloth]

For MMA my Bf told me three backgrounds martial arts, that are the best combination.

First
Wrestling- wrestling has many advantages when it comes to skill, it teaches you how to control someone and maneuver on the bottom or on top. It teaches take downs and slams. also if you do HS wrestling It will teach you how to cut weight and train hard(at a high school level and college level, wrestling is the most intense sport), it will do wonders. The only downside is that when ever you get put on your back you will panic.

Ju-Jits-su- both Japanese and Brazilian(if your going for one go for Japanese). It will cancel out the wrestling mentality of panicking when you hit the ground on your back. It will teach you submission defense and offense. With Wrestling and JJS, you can win almost all your fights.

Muy Thai- Thai is the most brutal up fighting ever. Its teaches you more then boxing and you learn to kick. It will make a solid fighter combined with the other 2.

I would say that it would be

Judo- Getting the Throws
TKD- Kicks
Muy Thai- It combines Punching and knees/Elbows.

 

[samalamading]

I'm learining this as soon as I get my Black belt from Goshin-Kan Karate-do, I picked up Muay Thai as a random interest when I was playing Tekken 5. In the game there is this character that does Muay Thai 'Bruce', he's fun to play with aside from the funny movements. I also heard it was really good from a couple of mates.

The elbows are no joke, its lethal. Karate and kung fu are just flashy useless martial arts only good for kids who get beat up everday, it helps boost confidence for children, but in a professional world of fighting and street, its pretty much useless.

 

[samalamading]

I would say that it would be

Judo- Getting the Throws
TKD- Kicks
Muy Thai- It combines Punching and knees/Elbows.

My sir you have nothing about ground games, why do you think Kimbo and Rampage lost their fights? when they get on the ground their ****ed.

Wrestling is better for throws, judo is useless, you learn all the useful throws in wrestling.
TKD is ok, but you learn kicks thats all, not very usefull
Muy Thai is right on the money tho.


sorry for double post,
I can't delete it

 

[GreenKirby]

Liu Kang

*shot*

 

[Mazaloth]

The elbows are no joke, its lethal. Karate and kung fu are just flashy useless martial arts only good for kids who get beat up everday, it helps boost confidence for children, but in a professional world of fighting and street, its pretty much useless.

No, Karate and Kung Fu are great arts.
They arn't really flashy if you look at it, they are fast, strong, and precise. They are no joke.

 

[samalamading]

No, Karate and Kung Fu are great arts.
They arn't really flashy if you look at it, they are fast, strong, and precise. They are no joke.

Muy Thai >>>>> karate and kung fu.
no fighting sport are jokes. But I consider them at the bottom of the food chait
Wrestling > karate and KF

 

[Mazaloth]

Muy Thai >>>>> karate and kung fu.
no fighting sport are jokes. But I consider them at the bottom of the food chait
Wrestling > karate and KF

Still, appearently I cannot let you see your error in thinking.

Why isn't Karate effective?
Why is Muy Thai better?

And how good sir is Wresting better then Kung Fu or Karate?
Have you honestly experianced Mantis or Monkey styles?
How about Kempo or Shaolin?
Most likey you have not.

Karate is a 'type' of Kung Fu, as well as Kempo.
They are all effective and can be used to a incredible force. While Wrestling is mainly focused on Throws, which Kung Fu prepares how to do so, and to avoid being thrown, and if you do happen to get thrown, how to recover.

 

[Hero Fly Chao]

I've been teaching a unique style of Taekwondo (not ATA at all...) for three years now, and have experience with Jiu-Jitsu and Muai-Thai.
This topic is intelligent for two reasons:
1. Everyone agrees that there's no "best" martial art; it depends on situation and the person weilding it.
2. Everyone's citing Muai-Thai as an ***-kicking martial art, which it is. (Insert Sagat here.)
Bottom line, you have to get beyond what is "ring friendly" to really understand what it means to defend yourself in any situation. A knowledge of this, plus proper conditioning, is a huge asset.

 

[samalamading]

Are you kidding me?

Wresting is good, but Judo is a better art because of the whole aspect, Wrestling is a bunch of jumbo rather then a fluent and precise art. Which in the end really counts.

TKD is NOT only kicks, if you even took the slightest amount of time in research TKD is mainly kicks, but teaches punch techniques, throws, and sweeps. The art derived from Subak, which stemmed into Tekkyeon which turned into Hwarangdo, During the invasion of Japan in Korea, A general created the most lost arts and created TKD.
Hwa rang do was a universal art, and even if TKD mainly emphisises on kicks it still has some universal aspects from Hwarangdo.

Wrestling is a precise art what are you talking about. Its not a power sport. My Bf's assiantant coach teaches judo, he knows everything useful. I said ju-jits-su is better then TKD, I never said TKD sucked, I said it was better.

Back onto wrestling, wrestling is a precise art, to be good at it, your movements must not be flawed. Please unless your 4 time state champion or someone experienced in wrestling don't talk about it being JUMBO.

 

[Mazaloth]

I've been teaching a unique style of Taekwondo (not ATA at all...) for three years now, and have experience with Jiu-Jitsu and Muai-Thai.
This topic is intelligent for two reasons:
1. Everyone agrees that there's no "best" martial art; it depends on situation and the person weilding it.
2. Everyone's citing Muai-Thai as an ***-kicking martial art, which it is. (Insert Sagat here.)
Bottom line, you have to get beyond what is "ring friendly" to really understand what it means to defend yourself in any situation. A knowledge of this, plus proper conditioning, is a huge asset.

That is what I am trying to explain.

Can a person win a fight against a person that uses Kung Fu which teaches all branches of fighting (Throwing, Striking, Kicking) when that person only knows Wrestling?
Of Course not, unless the Wrestler has a serious Weight/Strength advantage.

All I am trying to say that the Jack of All trades is better then a one defined art.
That is what MMA is.

 

[samalamading]

Still, appearently I cannot let you see your error in thinking.

Why isn't Karate effective?
Why is Muy Thai better?

And how good sir is Wresting better then Kung Fu or Karate?
Have you honestly experianced Mantis or Monkey styles?
How about Kempo or Shaolin?
Most likey you have not.

Karate is a 'type' of Kung Fu, as well as Kempo.
They are all effective and can be used to a incredible force. While Wrestling is mainly focused on Throws, which Kung Fu prepares how to do so, and to avoid being thrown, and if you do happen to get thrown, how to recover.

I am a chick, do I look like a fighter, my BF has had experience
we are talking about MMA sports. Kung Fu and karate are useless in MMA.

we are debating best sports to go into MMA,
I said wrestling, JJS, and Muythai. I was defining certain aspects are better then others.

I don't claim any martial art the best

 

[Gosu_Engineer]

In terms of a practical "style", I would argue in favor of Krav maga.

it has practical use outside of regulated competition and is tested in many self defense situations as well as military use. it teaches close quarters combat as well as striking attacks. and like other martial arts it teaches discipline and stresses technique

I really wouldn't consider it an art since it's a system where practicality and application are stressed rather than an art form. also it's a system where kicking someone in the groin is encouraged rather than scolded

 

[Mazaloth]

In terms of a practical "style", I would argue in favor of Krav maga.

it has practical use outside of regulated competition and is tested in many self defense situations as well as military use. it teaches close quarters combat as well as striking attacks. and like other martial arts it teaches discipline and stresses technique

I really wouldn't consider it an art since it's a system where practicality and application are stressed rather than an art form. also it's a system where kicking someone in the groin is encouraged rather than scolded

It is a extremly good thing to know and you are right on target.
A fight is a fight, and you MUST win. Ball shots, and even picking up a iron pole to use as a staff if nessesary to win.

But all MA teach disapline, because you must be devoted and strong to persue and be good.

 

[unknownPresence]

I havent read all of the argument, so exuse me if I say something thats already been ssaid.

As Bruce Lee said, there are no differences in style, but there are in skill. From what I have read you guys brought up the point of weight class, real world applicabilty, etc. However a lot of Kung-Fu and other styles are based on each other. Shaolin is the only thing i can think of that is totally original.

As for Kung-Fu being useless in MMA and weight class, thats not true. Its true that a wrestler or someone trained in the art of grappling like hapkido, brazilian ju-jitsu would have an advantage. however if a trained martial artist got a kick combo, pressure point, or specialized attack off, they match would pretty much be over.

Plus the wieght class system is designed for that sport. Boxing MMA im sure the weights are different. Plus if you put Bruce Lee in the ring with say Muhammed Ali or Jean St Pierre. I have no doubt in my mind bruce lee would win. His kicks were famous for their strength, when he kicked a sandbag as best he could, he would usually break it.

This is a very debatable topic, but overall it depends on the fighter, and not really the style or attributes of the fighter.

 

[Gosu_Engineer]

It is a extremly good thing to know and you are right on target.
A fight is a fight, and you MUST win. Ball shots, and even picking up a iron pole to use as a staff if nessesary to win.

But all MA teach disapline, because you must be devoted and strong to persue and be good.

yeah you're right...it's kinda of a redundant point. it sounded good when I typed it.

 

[Mazaloth]

I am a chick, do I look like a fighter, my BF has had experience
we are talking about MMA sports. Kung Fu and karate are useless in MMA.

we are debating best sports to go into MMA,
I said wrestling, JJS, and Muythai. I was defining certain aspects are better then others.

I don't claim any martial art the best

I use Sir as a respect mark rather then a name of gender sorry about that.
Your aspects are theoretical, and so are mine. But underlying all of it is that in Theory, anything is possible.

So lets end this qualm and stop fighting like bickering children, we won't convince each other. Which is the point of replying to the thread. And if it is a unwinnible battle I would rather have a good time talking about MA the arguing about them.

Good sir I salute your propositions and you made good points, I am honored to have a great intellegent conversation.

 

[Mr.Fakeman]

It is a extremly good thing to know and you are right on target.
A fight is a fight, and you MUST win. Ball shots, and even picking up a iron pole to use as a staff if nessesary to win.

But all MA teach disapline, because you must be devoted and strong to persue and be good.

This goes not only with MMA but also with other arts, Traditional Karate-Do is one of them. Also, of course there would be more than one Karate, I'm excluding the commerical styles of Karate.

 

[samalamading]

Being Second is a fancy way of saying you lose. In a fight it means death.
JJS can be better the TKD, I believe that this is what you are trying to imply.
Because as we know that it is the defined person rather then art.
JSS 'can' as in it has the potential to be better, Vice versa.

But Wrestling is not as precise as Judo.
Judo has forms, and techniques to the actual movements, while Wrestling is more of a What ever happens happens.
This theory is not good enough, not in a fight.
And I will say the say to you about Judo, don't talk about Judo unless you you have taken you life to get to Nidan, and in TKD Second Dan.

I could explain. But their is wrist control, head position, leg motion, stance, ect. You never keep your head down, stance is keeping the same stance and defending yourself. Its about breaking head positioning. Their are techniques, arm drag which requires pressure points, certain hand.
Wrestling is the king of take down sports, its not what ever happens happens. Judo is good in throws, but not in MMA. I respect all sports, I just know some are harder then others but not better.

I wanna know is why is boxing still trying to stay professional? lol MMA is just ****** its sales.

 

[Mazaloth]

What about Capoeira?

 

[unknownPresence]

But all MA teach disapline, because you must be devoted and strong to persue and be good.[/QUOTE]


This is very true, but Im sure if a disciplined MArtist was in a fight in the real world, he is taught to survive. His goal might not be to kill or cripple his oppenent to win, but every MA has techniques which are designed for that purpose.
I doubt some1 skilled in capoeira will just do flips when he is attacked, he will use the kicks desgined to thwart an enemies attack and then connect with his own.

 

[Mazaloth]

I could explain. But their is wrist control, head position, leg motion, stance, ect. You never keep your head down, stance is keeping the same stance and defending yourself. Its about breaking head positioning. Their are techniques, arm drag which requires pressure points, certain hand.
Wrestling is the king of take down sports, its not what ever happens happens. Judo is good in throws, but not in MMA.

Throws are good in any situation and it isn't just throws. it teaches holds/locks, joint manipulation, and balance.

 

[unknownPresence]

......what if you cant physically throw him?

 

[samalamading]

Throws are good in any situation and it isn't just throws. it teaches holds/locks, joint manipulation, and balance.

So does other martial arts cover area's. I picked wrestling for its flexibility, holds, takedowns.
I explained why I think my 3 are Superior. But you never picked a ground game

What about Capoeira?

thats brazilian JJS.