Best Fire pokemon in D/P (Beside's Legends!!!)

[czrd55ab]

infernape stinks agents a scarf user to and his defence stinks

 

[spindash]

Charizard. 'Nuff said. 8D

 

[Lit]

Well if i had to go by favorite fire it would be Typholsion, but truth of the matter is infernape, is just to good.

 

[GOTM]

heatran the man

 

[9Kplus1]

=.= Tran is a legend...

Please, people, give the reason why you think a poke is great because if I guess right, 65% of you can't make up a good reason so why Charizard is great and Ape sux bananas. In my opinion, Blaziken owns both of them, hands down, why? Because it has the potintial to be the Fire version of Mixmence, my favorite Blaziken-

Blaziken/Yoruichii @Focus Sash
Rash Nature
EVs:252spd/232spattk/24attk

Reversal
Agility
Flamethrower
HP Ice

Pwnage, nuff said. This Blaziken is ™, so, if you copy it, I will sue you.

Best Non-Legend Fire Types in order-

1. Blaziken
2. Torkoal
3. Infenape
4. Typhlosion
5. Charizard

 

[fluffy]

1. Blaziken
2. Torkoal
3. Infenape
4. Typhlosion
5. Charizard

infernape is higher than charizard :D

 

[MysticKenji]

Best Non-Legend Fire Types in order-

1. Blaziken
2. Torkoal
3. Infenape
4. Typhlosion
5. Charizard

Normally, I would declare this to be automatic win just because it has Typhlosion on it...

But why is Torkoal second???

 

[fluffy]

idk, but i just realized that 4 starters are on his list haha

remove torkoal

 

[Howls]

infernape stinks agents a scarf user to and his defence stinks

The same can be said of charizard because of his 4x weak to stealth rock and the fact that he's SLOWER than infernape. Hell, by that definition of"suck" I could say half of the OU metagame is crap. You're so down on, Bellyzard kills ****, that you aren't listening.

Lets factor in the 75 percent hp he needs to loose in order to do anything. Then add on the 6 percent damage ever turn from Sandstorm, and the 50 percent damage he'll take if he switches in on stealth rock. Charizard has plenty crapier defenses, and overall stats in general than infernape.

On another note, I lol at the "no legends clause" as much as I lol at Skarm Bliss clause. So I'll take it upon myself to just simply say that Heatran is a very good pokemon as well. If you can get one with a good hidden power than it can be quite deadlier then infernape in some cases where infernape doesn't make the cut. He does need a choic item normally though. But he can explode on blissey which not many special sweepers can say. Gengar anyone.

EDIT: And for that Blaziken, just remember that he's not immune to sandstream. So essentially there's not much you can do if somebody forces the sash's activation, and switches to a ghost like dusknoir or spiritomb, both incredibly common, while sandstorm kills you.

And Torcoal is garbage.

 

[ss118]

Let me list my reasons for using Charizard:
He pwns <3
Don't worry, there are more reasons, but I don't feel like listing them. Just let me say how both Infernape and Bellyzard need team support to pull off a sweep, but it's much easier to sweep once Charizard is set up rather than Infernape. Infernape, on the other hand, is easier to set up.

 

[Howls]

Let me list my reasons for using Charizard:
He pwns <3
Don't worry, there are more reasons, but I don't feel like listing them. Just let me say how both Infernape and Bellyzard need team support to pull off a sweep, but it's much easier to sweep once Charizard is set up rather than Infernape. Infernape, on the other hand, is easier to set up.

Charizard can't settup unless he's an opener, end of story. even then, he dies to scarf openers, or even Specs opners with better speed.

For other moments where you think you can settup, here's what can be done to stop you easily. I'll even give the benefit of the doubt that SR is not in play, and the carizard has 100 percent of it's hp.

Turn 1: Charizard is in with "X" pokemon. Charizard uses belly drum. Opponent switchs to Gengar, Garchomp, or the plethora of other faster pokemon that can kill it in 1 hit.

Turn 2: you get the picture, outsped, and killed.

Scenerio 2

Turn 1: Same as above only this time, Charizard uses sub first. And they switch to a popular Choice scarf pokemon that can still out speed charizard after a boost.

Turn 2: Scarf pokemon breaks sub, Charizard uses Belly Drum, or one of it's attacking moves failing to kill because of his meager attack(EQ or Flare Blitz)

Turn 3: Scarf pokemon outspeeds, and kills.

You prove the rest of my point by admiting infernape can settup easier. Not to mention he can kill skarm bliss along with many other pokemon even without setting up.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

charizard all the way

Thank you.

Charizard. 'Nuff said. 8D

Thank you again.

Best Non-Legend Fire Types in order-

1. Charizard
2. Blaziken
3. Typlosion
4. Torkoal
5. Infernape

That's better.

Charizard is higher than Infernape. :D

The list says so.

-Terywj...ou <Keyboard not connected. Press F1 to continue.>

 

[Howls]

Thank you.



Thank you again.



That's better.



The list says so.

-Terywj...ou <Keyboard not connected. Press F1 to continue.>

except this stance is laughably unfounded and incorrect.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

except this stance is laughably unfounded and incorrect.

What??

-Terywj...ou <Keyboard not connected. Press F1 to continue.>

 

[Howls]

go back and lurk some more to see all of my previous posts. Not to mention you have no eveidence to support your own argument.

 

[9Kplus1]

*sigh* Dare I explain this? Like I did on Smogon and PokeCommunity?

Here we go-
Blaziken has a Sash, now, how can someone switch into a ghost when I've already Reversaled them? Who TF keeps in a fighting type in on a Dusknoir? Only retared noobs. Either way, I would've already used Agility and Blaziken can kill the Ghost that comes out, since really, the ghosts that aren't named Dusknoir are as fragile as a Hasty Natured Egg. Sandstream won't be a problem seeing as Blaziken can, oh, what's that word? SWITCH.

Torkoal is the only fire poke that can be used as a Tank, it has Amnesia, Lava Pume, Rapid Spin, Iron Defense, Curse, Toxic, Yawn and Explosion in its movepool, my Torkoal is able to compete in the OU section-

Torkoal @Leftovers
Sassy Nature
EVs:252hp/200spdef/26attk/26spatrk/4def

Lava Pume
Gyro Ball
Rapid Spin
Explosion

I managed to stop a Garchomp with this Torkoal. Weaviles can't do much against it either. Charizard falls to anything with a speed higher than 328, Infernape falls to anything with a higher speed than 349. An Adamant, EV'd CB Weavile has field day with Charizard and Ape. Even if it's Sashed, Weavile can still kill BellyZard and Mixape with Mach Punch. With Torkoal, a Weavile is forced into getting Gyro Balled. It also kills SkarmBliss pretty well. Typhlosion is above because if you Scarf it and toss in an Eruption, it pwns too much, but, once it gets Faked Out, Eruption is useless. Anyone else want a shot at this?

 

[fluffy]

lol you can't argue with Howls.
Most of these people have little or no knowledge of competitive battling. Infernape is the only non-legendary pokemon that is OU. Of course it's better than Charizard. But this isn't smogon like you said earlier.

If this thread were to be changed to "Your Favorite Fire Pokemon (Besides Legends!!!)", then I would vote for Charizard as well. But as of right now, the best fire pokemon in D/P (besides legends) would be infernape.

 

[9Kplus1]

lol you can't argue with Howls.
Most of these people have little or no knowledge of competitive battling. Infernape is the only non-legendary pokemon that is OU. Of course it's better than Charizard. But this isn't smogon like you said earlier.

If this thread were to be changed to "Your Favorite Fire Pokemon (Besides Legends!!!)", then I would vote for Charizard as well. But as of right now, the best fire pokemon in D/P (besides legends) would be infernape.

Gimme a reason how my Mixiken doesn't pwn an Infenape.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

There isn't. Mixiken WILL beat a Mixape/ScarfApe.
Yeah...shame Charizard isn't OU...

 

[Wii4Mii 99]

Your either lying, or simply fought a total noob.

As stated earlier, charizard looses half it's hp every time it switches in while SR is in play.

Whop-de-do.

THough yes, charizard has access to Belly Drum, it's too slow to work it without salac berry, which would require you to loose 75 Percent of your HP, mening Ice shard weaville revenge kills you if it has life orb/CB.

Not if you have a Sub up. Besides, good BellyZard players would scout out the opponent's team with other Pokemon before sending BellyZard in to sweep.

Infernape is one of the only special attackers capable of OHKOing Blissey. WHich it does very easily thanks to life Orb and STAB CC. Even with just 24 EV's it does the job. Plus, his movepool is infinitely superior to charizard. Grass Knot, Thunder Punch, Close Combat, and Nasty Plot make him easier to settup and gives him much greater coverage.

You can't really call MixApe a Special attacker. BellyZard can also OHKO Blissey. And I think it'd be hard for Infernape to Nasty Plot while the opponent gets a free attack off. And if you'd predict a switch, well... That's what you'd do with BellyZard.

Opening charizard is OK, it doesn't have to worry about SR once it gets BD up, but it will still be easily OHKO'ed by scarf users, or any opener in general who hit for super effective damage and happen to be faster(neither very hard to accomplish).

But opening BellyZard almost always sucks.

Over all Infernape breaks stall teams appart, is immune to WoW, and in spite of his fragile defenses, can switch in on some common attacks like Ice Beam or Grass Knot.

Charizard is also immune to WoW. It has slightly better defenses and takes less damage from Grass Knot. It also actually takes less damage from Heracross's Megahorn, and can easily switch in on Earthquakes and Grass attacks.

Troll somewhere else please

The same can be said of charizard because of his 4x weak to stealth rock and the fact that he's SLOWER than infernape. Hell, by that definition of"suck" I could say half of the OU metagame is crap. You're so down on, Bellyzard kills ****, that you aren't listening.

Once again, whop-de-do that Charizard has a SR weakness.

Lets factor in the 75 percent hp he needs to loose in order to do anything. Then add on the 6 percent damage ever turn from Sandstorm, and the 50 percent damage he'll take if he switches in on stealth rock. Charizard has plenty crapier defenses, and overall stats in general than infernape.

I can't say anything about the Sandstorm damage, but a skilled BellyZard player would have a Rapid Spinner on his team. Charizard's defenses are better than Infernape's. It's 78 Defense and 85 Special Defense, as well as 78 HP, are all higher than Infernape's 71 defenses and 76 HP.

On another note, I lol at the "no legends clause" as much as I lol at Skarm Bliss clause. So I'll take it upon myself to just simply say that Heatran is a very good pokemon as well. If you can get one with a good hidden power than it can be quite deadlier then infernape in some cases where infernape doesn't make the cut. He does need a choic item normally though. But he can explode on blissey which not many special sweepers can say. Gengar anyone.

EDIT: And for that Blaziken, just remember that he's not immune to sandstream. So essentially there's not much you can do if somebody forces the sash's activation, and switches to a ghost like dusknoir or spiritomb, both incredibly common, while sandstorm kills you.

Poor Celebi.

And Torkoal is garbage.

Charizard can't settup unless he's an opener, end of story. even then, he dies to scarf openers, or even Specs opners with better speed.

Charizard can easily set up by switching in with it's s3xy Earthquake immunity and resistances.

For other moments where you think you can settup, here's what can be done to stop you easily. I'll even give the benefit of the doubt that SR is not in play, and the carizard has 100 percent of it's hp.

Turn 1: Charizard is in with "X" pokemon. Charizard uses belly drum. Opponent switchs to Gengar, Garchomp, or the plethora of other faster pokemon that can kill it in 1 hit.

Turn 2: you get the picture, outsped, and killed.

That would happen to a BellyZard without Substitute. Instead, it'd have Endure. It'd Endure the hit, activate Salac Berry, and sweep, unless Sandstorm / Hail is up.

Scenerio 2

Turn 1: Same as above only this time, Charizard uses sub first. And they switch to a popular Choice scarf pokemon that can still out speed charizard after a boost.

Turn 2: Scarf pokemon breaks sub, Charizard uses Belly Drum, or one of it's attacking moves failing to kill because of his meager attack(EQ or Flare Blitz)

Turn 3: Scarf pokemon outspeeds, and kills.

No BellyZard would have Flare Blitz... >_> Many of those Choice Scarf Pokemon, like Weavile and Gengar, will take a reasonable amount of damage from a Fire Punch. Also remember that BellyZard isn't the only Pokemon on a team. By letting it's Sub take a hit, and by weakening the opponent, BellyZard can also help it's team. Then another Pokemon can come in and take the hit and do... whatever it is they do.

You prove the rest of my point by admiting infernape can settup easier. Not to mention he can kill skarm bliss along with many other pokemon even without setting up.

Charizard is tactical. Although it's hard to set up, the rewards are sweet.

I'd also like to say Charizard can go head-to-head with the standard MixApe. It resists Flamethrower, Grass Knot and Close Combat, and can either set up or KO with Earthquake.

Of course, let's not turn this into an Infernape VS. Charizard flamewar (literally). Charizard / Infernape could be holding Focus Sash and easily KO with Earthquake / Thunderpunch.

Happy Thanksgiving!
Wii4Mii 99

 

[Howls]

*sigh* Dare I explain this? Like I did on Smogon and PokeCommunity?

Here we go-
Blaziken has a Sash, now, how can someone switch into a ghost when I've already Reversaled them? Who TF keeps in a fighting type in on a Dusknoir? Only retared noobs. Either way, I would've already used Agility and Blaziken can kill the Ghost that comes out, since really, the ghosts that aren't named Dusknoir are as fragile as a Hasty Natured Egg. Sandstream won't be a problem seeing as Blaziken can, oh, what's that word? SWITCH.

Torkoal is the only fire poke that can be used as a Tank, it has Amnesia, Lava Pume, Rapid Spin, Iron Defense, Curse, Toxic, Yawn and Explosion in its movepool, my Torkoal is able to compete in the OU section-

Torkoal @Leftovers
Sassy Nature
EVs:252hp/200spdef/26attk/26spatrk/4def

Lava Pume
Gyro Ball
Rapid Spin
Explosion

I managed to stop a Garchomp with this Torkoal. Weaviles can't do much against it either. Charizard falls to anything with a speed higher than 328, Infernape falls to anything with a higher speed than 349. An Adamant, EV'd CB Weavile has field day with Charizard and Ape. Even if it's Sashed, Weavile can still kill BellyZard and Mixape with Mach Punch. With Torkoal, a Weavile is forced into getting Gyro Balled. It also kills SkarmBliss pretty well. Typhlosion is above because if you Scarf it and toss in an Eruption, it pwns too much, but, once it gets Faked Out, Eruption is useless. Anyone else want a shot at this?

One has to ask, who else can do what torkoal does, and does it do it better???

It can Rapid Spin and explode, but not much else is unique tho this. Forretress does all this much better and can settup extra damage. It's basically a poor mans tank that also happens to have a resist to fire (an added bonus yes). But with a weakness to the most common physicla attack in the game and a weakness to SR, it's not that special. He also can't really hurt s spiritomb or dusknoir. And Amnesia is a horrible move.

YOu didn't even calculate ss into your blaziken's ability to sweep, hence it's weakness. I may kill one pokemon, but if you do manage to land an agility, yes, sweeping potential is quite massive, assuming ss or hail isn't active. But if it is, or he just takes damage in general from spikes, SR etc. It's almost useless. And the arguement isn't if Blaziken owns Infernape, it's if they're better or not based on all the factors of battling.

I'll save the quotation for wii4mii's post.

Bellyzard can't do squat vs. stall teams. The standard spiritomb will block Rapid spin, and rest off damage from starmie, who won't 3HKO so the bling would be out stalled. Though Donphan can actually 3HKO spiritomb w/EQ, he doesn't like a WoW from dusknoir and pain split hurts. And since most spiritombs have HP Fighting, you can't very well send in weaville or TTar, because they will be hurt badly. Even with the Sp Def boost on TTar

I'm never said he wasn't good, the arguement is whether or not Infernape is better. Charizard can kill fairly well. But assuming your rapid spinner is gone, he's gone as well. Infernape is infinitely superior simply because of coverage without a settup requesite. He can CB, CSpecs, CScarf, and Swords Dance as well making him much less predictable. Charizard can Specs rather well too, better really, but anything else is meager and gimmicky. Life Orb has some good potential but is countered by starmie/and cresselia.

I'm going to leave this be now. Because I agree we shouldn't flame eachother on thanksgiving.

TY for the happy thanksgiving. I've been havign a bad day and seeing some good sport is welcoming.

Same back.

 

[Wii4Mii 99]

I liked how you calmly posted back to mii without so much as an annoyance, unlike what other people would do.

I'm going to leave this be as well. I'm sure you and mii could've gone on and on and on (Although something tells mii you would've come out victorious.). Let's see how everyone else fares with this whole Infernape VS. Charizard thing.

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99

 

[ss118]

I didn't read the title. Obviously, Infernape is probablythe "best" fire type: the reason I said probably is because of the existance of Heatran, who is also OU.
w00t, 777th post!

 

[9Kplus1]

Um... Foretress? Last time I checked, Foretress was a Steel/Bug type, plus, Foretress gets ***** by a Probopass. I won't say Skarmory seeing as more Zap Cannons are popping up on Tress.

Here we go again... You're not seeing my point here, Blaziken actually doesn't stay in on T-Tars, Hippo can burn in hell for all I care. Those are the only 2 pokes Blaze needs to worry about. Abomasnow can only setup a Hail and leave, if it stays in, Blaze can kill it with a Flamethrower.

Back to Torkoal... I made a list of things that actually can make you eat your pathetic words-

1. First off, a Weakness to SR isn't noticable, 1/4 of its HP is depleted, not much to worry about when it can Rapid Spin, survive a few blows and Explode.

2. Amnesia is actually a good way to setup a dual tank, with Torkoal's already high defense, its spdefense might as well be boosted to a higher point. Give me 2 reasons to why Amnesia is a "Horrible" move.

3. Actually, Tomb and Noir can't W-O-W it and EQs and Sucker Punches are useless, while that's going on, Torkoal can just burn then with Lava Pume and watch them die.

Now, Blaziken-

1. SS and Hail can only be pulled off by Tyranitar, Hippodwon and Abomasnow. Only 3 pokes who can actually stop Blaze's sweeper ability. 9 times out of 10, when there's a T-Tar/Hippo out, there's a Sandstorm team following it, fun, eh? HP Ice can kill Cradilys and Chomps, Flamethower takes care of Metagross.

2. I bearly use Agility, I'll just wait for the Sash to activate and just use Reversal, so what if I sacrifice my poke? It's not like it matters, c'mon, wins are wins, 6-0 or 1-0, it's just a win, that's how I see it...

 

[fluffy]

777th post!

today must be your lucky day : )

i remember my 777th post...

best day of my life yo haha jk

 

[Kunx990]

Hasn't anyone noticed that Arcanine isn't mentioned?

 

[Wii4Mii 99]

today must be your lucky day : )

i remember my 777th post...

best day of my life yo haha jk

I remember my 1313th post. If I recall correctly, it wasn't that unl;ucky.

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99

 

[Cereal Rabbit]

Hasn't anyone noticed that Arcanine isn't mentioned?

Arcanine isn't that good. Though it's base stats are pretty good, it's move pool doesn't work for it enough. Would've been UU, but it's too much of a Power house to be down there.

Over all Arcanine isn't really that good.

 

[Wii4Mii 99]

Arcanine isn't that good. Though it's base stats are pretty good, it's move pool doesn't work for it enough. Would've been UU, but it's too much of a Power house to be down there.

Over all Arcanine isn't really that good.

If Arcanine had some Speed passed to it, it would be a formidable opponent. It's defenses allow it to survive a couple of unboosted attacks, enough to pound an opponent if they happened to outspeed it.

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99

 

[DC C0mB0]

i would have to choose blaziken, end of story.
He just ***** hard

 

[DC C0mB0]

o yea my 2nd post ever!!!

 

[Wii4Mii 99]

o yea my 2nd post ever!!!

And your first double post ever, too!

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99

 

[The9litch]

And your first double post ever, too!

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99

lmao...way to go dude...haha

 

[Problem2]

Hasn't anyone noticed that Arcanine isn't mentioned?

Yeah, next to Infernape, Arcanine would be next in line for my choice of Fire type. He has a much stronger Flare Blitz the ape but also has a devistating extremespeed. Why does everyone forget about this awesome beast?

 

[fluffy]

arcanine is a good pokemon. it's just not that great...it's speed is OK. it isn't quick enough to be with the big kids. it has a nice moveset though.

 

[Cereal Rabbit]

I just noticed I haven't said a fire pokemon yet...

Uuhm.

Bellyzards <3

 

[IC3R]

Blaziken takes my vote for coolest hottest Fire-type. Agiliken is epic win.

I also came up with a catch-phrase for it: "You no cook chicken; chicken cook YOU!!!!!!"



SO I HERD U CHIKINZ...

 

[Tyrannotaur]

Arcanine isn't that good. Though it's base stats are pretty good, it's move pool doesn't work for it enough. Would've been UU, but it's too much of a Power house to be down there.

Over all Arcanine isn't really that good.

I use an Arcanine. He's not bad. He's pretty quick. I do get what you mean though. He isn't fast enough to handle OU Pokémon.
i still think he is good though.

 

[Hippochinfat]

infernpae is the highest tier non legend fire type so yeah

 

[Hippochinfat]

If Arcanine had some Speed passed to it, it would be a formidable opponent. It's defenses allow it to survive a couple of unboosted attacks, enough to pound an opponent if they happened to outspeed it.

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99

Arcanine's movepool just sucks to much. His speed is certainly a problem but his movepool is a bigger one.