Best Fire pokemon in D/P (Beside's Legends!!!)

[Howls]

Mix Ape is arguably the best having the coverage that it's famous for.

If the bellyzard isn't an opener it risks the ever present stealth rock ruining it's fun, and mixape can potentially come in on a plethora of opponents and nail a nasty plot safely (choice item users especially).

And on a seperate note, Heatran may be a legend but he's somewhat inferior to Infernape because of that 4x weak to ground and a lack of any speed without a scarf, and Entei is just plain horrid.

 

[The9litch]

I feel sorry for Entei =[. im and Flareon are arguably the worst fire pokemon in existance.

 

[Howls]

I feel sorry for Entei =[. im and Flareon are arguably the worst fire pokemon in existance.

Flareon is superior to entei simply because it can actually pull of a mixed sweep in UU. HP Ice and grass Eevee's are in good supply on the smogon trade boards. So don't count the fox out too bad.

ALso, I completely forgot Ninetails. She's actually quite capable of a sweeo with her access to Nasty Plot. Though I think that NP and Hypnosis is illegal, that might add to her versatility if it isn't. Plus with flash fire she can come in much easier than infernape. Plus she's bulkier.

 

[The9litch]

Hypnosis + NP is legal due to the fact that NP is a heartscale move. and in UU Ninetails ***** ***. As for Flareon...meh, even though you are right about the high supply of Dystro's HP Ice 70 Jolteon.

 

[MysticKenji]

Actually, all of us are incorrect.
The REAL best Fire-type is...

 

[The9litch]

LMAO...Well that is your opinion but Ho-Oh is actually the worst Uber EVER, I think it would even do bad in the OU metagame.

 

[Wii4Mii 99]

LMAO...Well that is your opinion but Ho-Oh is actually the worst Uber EVER, I think it would even do bad in the OU metagame.

Um... NO.

I don't know about the Uber part, but Ho-Oh can NOT be in the OU metagame. Think about it.

Sacred Fire has 100 BP.
Sacred Fire gets STAB.
Sacred Fire is physical.
Ho-Oh has a 130 base Attack stat.
Sacred Fire has a 50% chance of causing a burn.

Stick a Choice Band on Ho-Oh and just let it go around, roasting things with Sacred Fire. It doesn't matter if it loses 50% of it's health from Stealth Rock. It wiould be on MANY teams.

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99

 

[The9litch]

The OU part was an Exageration but, in Ubers, Ho-Oh is pretty bad.

 

[smashman90]

I was born with Charizard and I'll die with Charizard. In other words, Charizard gets my vote, he's been a part of me. NO! He isn't a part of me, he is me! Besides, it's been an established fact that anybody that uses Flareon is gay. lol

 

[Icon_of_Sin]

Ninetails is the best. If your not careful, you will get lost in it's infinite amount of style. As for Infernape pft, more like inferiorape heh, am I right? hehehe.

 

[Icetom1024]

I finally agree with that NooB Kris(The9litch)...Infernape FTW...even though he pwned me with 1 >_>

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Actually, all of us are incorrect.
The REAL best Fire-type is...

Yeah...MysticKenji is right.

-Terywj...ou <Keyboard not connected. Press F1 to continue.>

 

[Wii4Mii 99]

I finally agree with Wii4Mii 99 and Terywj...Charizard FTW...even though he pwned me with 1 >_>

Mii and Terywj don't post enough stuff about how much wii like a Pokemon in our posts, so people can't mosquito off us.

Of course, they might be able to off this one... >_>

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99

 

[Icetom1024]

Ninetails is the best. If your not careful, you will get lost in it's infinite amount of style. As for Infernape pft, more like inferiorape heh, am I right? hehehe.

hahahahahahahahahaha, I just pissed my pants. thats was great, Inferiape..lol, just like Jibaku call Rhyperior RhyInferior, you guys just dont get how much these two pwn

 

[fluffy]

Ninetails is the best. If your not careful, you will get lost in it's infinite amount of style. As for Infernape pft, more like inferiorape heh, am I right? hehehe.

ninetails sux

 

[Icetom1024]

Mii and Terywj don't post enough stuff about how much wii like a Pokemon in our posts, so people can't mosquito off us.

Of course, they might be able to off this one... >_>

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99

You just earned yourself WAR!!! Infernape > Zard, matter of fact Infernape > Wii4Mii 99 and Terywj LMAO!!!

Charizard??? THIS IS MIXAPE!!!! *kicks the **** out of Zard*

 

[The9litch]

You just earned yourself WAR!!! Infernape > Zard, matter of fact Infernape > Wii4Mii 99 and Terywj LMAO!!!

Charizard??? THIS IS MIXAPE!!!! *kicks the **** out of Zard*

LMAOOOOOOOOO Tom-Tom FTeffingW.

 

[fluffy]

omg this is getting out of hand!

but yea. im going with the infernapes in this one. charizard is classic though.

but infernape's hairs on fiya!!!!

 

[smashman90]

I could see it now. . .

An Infernape walks down a street and meets with a Charizard.

"Show me your moves!" says Infernape.

"Ok, FALCON PUNCH!" Replies Charizard.

*Wild Charizard uses Falcon Punch*

*Wild Infernape faints*

*Wild Charizard gains Infernape's wallet. . . and his *****.*

Ha! Infernape just got Infernraped.

 

[Icon_of_Sin]

If infernape was sooo good, how come I've never seen a toy of it? Oh and fluffy, Ninetails is a waay better fire type than slobro.

 

[smashman90]

Uhhh Slowbro is a water/psychic type, not a fire type.

 

[fluffy]

If infernape was sooo good, how come I've never seen a toy of it? Oh and fluffy, Ninetails is a waay better fire type than slobro.

O_O

o no you didn't.

 

[mood4food77]

he did it, he went there

he just dissed slowbro

this is a time in which all smart users will run and hide underneath our desks while we watch tommy nuke the guy who dissed slowbro

it was nice knowing you all

anyways

HEATRAN!

 

[stranga]

Hiding is for chumps, take the blast like a man.

Also I've changed my mind I'm now voting for houndoom

 

[Howls]

What's this about ho-oh being bad in ubers. With Groudon support and his impressive speed/atk, almost nothing except Palkia and Kyogre can switch in safely, and if they get burned the pain is going to be all the more for tham added onto the already good damage done.

Here's some calcs. I'll use the generic standard EV spreads. This is assuming you use shoddy and have your ho-oh with 31 atk EV's. If it's wifi, My ho-oh has 29 so no biggie. All of these using Metalkid's Calculator.

Ho-oh w/Max atk(394) Sacred Fire vs. 6hp/0def Dialga Neutral Nature Under sun=68.13% - 80.12%

Same stats Ho-oh vs. 240 hp/16 def Dialga Neutral Nature=57.36% - 67.33% still a 2HKO

Same vs. Max/Max Giratina +nature Under sun=17.26% - 20.24% (Considering Giratina can't Burn Ho-oh like it would say, Swords Dance Arceus, it can't really do much more back)

Same vs. Max/Max Blissey w/+nature under sun= 68.81% - 76.1% (making him a great switch in to CM Bliss that come in to ruin your SpecsTwo's fun)

Same vs. Max/Max Skarmory w/+nature under sun=62.28% - 73.35%

Same vs. 36hp/0def Rayquaza w/neutral nature under sun=41.11% - 48.61% (and hope it doesn't get burned)

I could go on. Throw a choice band/Life Orb into the mix and he can really lay the hurt down.

Three generally seen ubers switch into this safely-Palkia, Kyogre, and Giratina. Everything else is potentially 2HKO. And Unlike the prior two, Giratina can't do anything back since it can't burn ho-oh obviously, and it's defenses are nothing to laugh at.

Two things to note, one is that yes, many other ubers can do similar damage calcs with their STAB moves, but none of them threaten to Burn 50 % of the time, thereby keeping any physical attackes scared to death for that switch in. Also, is the 4x stealth rock weakness. Donphan and Forretress remedy this quite well, since clearing the field is also a pretty big priority for rayquaza sweeps, it's pretty good in combination.

In short, with Groudon and Rapid Spin Support, Ho-oh owns. Kyogre and palkia both share a common coutner in the form of a Defensive Latias, and ho-oh can easily come in on anything meant to wall in the uber metagame (especially really fat eggs).

Don't underestimate ho-oh, or you'll likely be swept by one.

 

[The9litch]

does this discussion need to continue?...Ape wins...point blank =]

 

[Lit]

I Think fire is one of the best types out there, does anyone agree wit me?

 

[ss118]

I Think fire is one of the best types out there, does anyone agree wit me?

Offensively, yes.
However, the fact of Torkoal and Magcargo's tier ratings show how they do defensively

 

[smashman90]

does this discussion need to continue?...Zard wins...point blank =]

Fixed. We also know that Ape will get ***** by Zard any **** time of the week.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Yes. Charizard>Infernape.
Also, yes. Fire is one of the best types out there...but so few pokes are Fires...

 

[mood4food77]

nape is such a bigger threat than zard, it's not even funny

it's one of those pokes that if you're weak to, you're done

he's up there with ttar, weavile, salamence, garchomp, electivire, heatran, starmie, gyrados, and metagross

 

[The9litch]

Thank you dude...exactly what I was thinking...If you have an Ape weakness, you lose...the end

 

[smashman90]

Thank you dude...exactly what I was thinking...If you have an Ape weakness, you lose...the end

That is the biggest load of bs that I have ever heard. I managed to beat an Infernape with my Torterra. Hell, I also managed to Infernraped that monkey with my Forretress. He got a'sploded. End of story.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

@ "Infernraped."
That was good.

Me too. I beat an Ape w/Empoleon before with NO speed EV's.

-Terywj...ou <Keyboard not connected. Press F1 to continue.>

 

[fluffy]

I beat this guy's team using only infernape

he got INFERNRAPED

i think that that's the correct way to use that term haha

infernapes rule ya

 

[czrd55ab]

charizard all the way

 

[The9litch]

well, every1 is entitled to their opinions but Infernape > all other fire types imo

 

[Howls]

That is the biggest load of bs that I have ever heard. I managed to beat an Infernape with my Torterra. Hell, I also managed to Infernraped that monkey with my Forretress. He got a'sploded. End of story.

Your either lying, or simply fought a total noob.

As stated earlier, charizard looses half it's hp every time it switches in while SR is in play.

THough yes, charizard has access to Belly Drum, it's too slow to work it without salac berry, which would require you to loose 75 Percent of your HP, mening Ice shard weaville revenge kills you if it has life orb/CB.

Infernape is one of the only special attackers capable of OHKOing Blissey. WHich it does very easily thanks to life Orb and STAB CC. Even with just 24 EV's it does the job. Plus, his movepool is infinitely superior to charizard. Grass Knot, Thunder Punch, Close Combat, and Nasty Plot make him easier to settup and gives him much greater coverage.

Opening charizard is OK, it doesn't have to worry about SR once it gets BD up, but it will still be easily OHKO'ed by scarf users, or any opener in general who hit for super effective damage and happen to be faster(neither very hard to accomplish).

Over all Infernape breaks stall teams appart, is immune to WoW, and in spite of his fragile defenses, can switch in on some common attacks like Ice Beam or Grass Knot.

Troll somewhere else please

 

[smashman90]

Troll somewhere else please

I wasn't trolling, but I think it's outrageous when people say something like Infernape>Torterra just because of type advantages or what moves it may have. Any pokemon be beaten even by types it's strong against or how well it's raised. You can outsmart your opponent and sometimes you need a little luck on your side.
Secondly, that pokemon(I'll use my Torterra as an example) could know a move that can devastate an opponent(I used EQ on my foes Infernape).

Call me cheesy or lame, but that's my opinion and I am sticking to it.

 

[Howls]

I wasn't trolling, but I think it's outrageous when people say something like Infernape>Torterra just because of type advantages or what moves it may have. Any pokemon be beaten even by types it's strong against or how well it's raised. You can outsmart your opponent and sometimes you need a little luck on your side.
Secondly, that pokemon(I'll use my Torterra as an example) could know a move that can devastate an opponent(I used EQ on my foes Infernape).

Call me cheesy or lame, but that's my opinion and I am sticking to it.

If that's your opinion you have no buisness posting about competitive pokemon. THis might not be smogon but you weren't adding anything laudable or even acurate.

By your logic I could say that electrode is better than Raikou because I can explode on incoming swamperts, yet outside of that there's virtually no potential to sweep/stall. Mindgames and such are part of the player, but as standalone pokemon, assuming that their being used to their fullest potential, Infernape is easily superior to tortera or the likes. I mean you could in theory throw a focus sash on quagsire and it would beat infernape. It's still inferior by a large degree.

And considering your examples for why infernape is horrible, I couldn't help but laugh and assume you were trolling.