Best character for beginners/new players to begin with?

[Mizuxe]

another benefit of using lotsa guys is that you'll (consciously or otherwise) start picking out the better moves each character has, and how to deal with them

64 might be one of the easiest fighters to 'play' everybody in

This person right here knows what they're talking about. When I was a newbie to Smash64 I only used and the occasional . Sure, I was decent with them, but I would get nailed constantly with moves from characters like and that I had no clue how to counter or even dodge. I started playing with those characters more often and soon I learned their different types of moves and just the technique that you generally need for the character. Every character sorta has their own technique, right?

Anyway, new players should usually play with somebody like or IMO. You get your slow character, and you get a faster character. It feels nice to get to experiment with your different play styles and speeds, and it even gives you a nice challenge. You just have to keep learning different play styles until you get well-rounded enough and you feel comfortable facing most characters.

 

[Yobolight]

This person right here knows what they're talking about. When I was a newbie to Smash64 I only used and the occasional .

Is there a correlation between people who play Ness and people who play Pikachu?

 

[Mizuxe]

Is there a correlation between people who play Ness and people who play Pikachu?

Not really, I just like both of those characters. They aren't really similar but I liked Pikachu from Pokemon and Ness just because. No reason really.

 

[onmy.]

Also New Jersey sucks

charlie i'll smack you

 

[FooltheFlames]

LANK!
Get good at beating others and recovering with him so that when using the rest of the games characters it's a cake walk for you.

Or more realistically Kirby. WHY? Multiple jumps, moveable fast recovery move, fast hard hitting and long reaching attack boxes, allows you to practice multiple game moves that you steal from people, more durable than giggypuff, simple effective combos.

 

[iheartqueso]

I started out playing Fox but recently have started playing with people a lot better than I am so I've had to retreat to the gimmicks of Kirby. I like playing both as a beginner because learning Fox will help me understand some of the more advanced aspects of the game while playing Kirby will get me some cheap wins :D

 

[clubbadubba]

I started out playing Fox but recently have started playing with people a lot better than I am so I've had to retreat to the gimmicks of Kirby. I like playing both as a beginner because learning Fox will help me understand some of the more advanced aspects of the game while playing Kirby will get me some cheap wins :D

kirby is for nubs

falcon is a pretty solid beginner character for both cheap wins and advanced stuff!

 

[Sedda]

fox is pretty good imo. You can get rekt really easily. You're always one grab away from losing a stock, so that forces you to realize what your mistakes are

 

[FalconOwnage]

I've got the power, choose me

 

[Jdawg9876]

Personally, I believe Mario might be well for people to start with. It may sound bias since I'm a Mario Main, but due to how balanced of a character he is, it would help for players who are starting out to get used to his battle mechanics, and let it blossom into them choosing a new character to master.

 

[Cedricwa]

Well, for a new player that just needs to get used to the game, any character will do, but I usually see people start out using Fox, Link, and Samus. From there though, as far as characters that are easy to get good with, I'd say to try pikachu and captain falcon.

 

[MudkipUniverse]

You should start out with whatever character you want; this is probably the most balanced smash game

 

[leekslap]

You should start out with whatever character you want; this is probably the most balanced smash game

No.

 

[MudkipUniverse]

No.

ok

 

[Sedda]

You should start out with whatever character you want; this is probably the most balanced smash game

yes

 

[leekslap]

^conversation of the year

Seriously any game with a character who is never at a disadvantage( Pikachu ) and a character who is always at a disadvantage ( Samus ) I consider to be an unbalanced game. I would say Project M ( obvious ) or maybe Smash 4 since there isn't any bad characters.

 

[MudkipUniverse]

Smash 4 has its Top tier (Shiek, Diddy, Rosalina, I think diddy is #2). IDK if it has a low tier though.

But Isai can win nationals by using whatever the fuzz he wants, so that proves something.

I think 64 is more balanced then 4.

 

[leekslap]

Smash 4 has its Top tier (Shiek, Diddy, Rosalina, I think diddy is #2). IDK if it has a low tier though.

But Isai can win nationals by using whatever the fuzz he wants, so that proves something.

I think 64 is more balanced then 4.

Isai is godlike. He's completely mastered the game and I haven't seen him win with Samus or Luigi. 20XX has already come for Smash 64 and Isai is proof of that. Doesn't prove anything. There's only so much you can do with 12 characters that are as mentally and technically demanding as your below average difficulty characters in Project M.

 

[Cedricwa]

Smash 4 is definitely not more balanced than 64. Of course 64 isn't completely balanced, all the characters would have to have the same moves for that, but it is definitely the most balanced smash game, aside from maybe project m. And there are things some characters have that others don't, such as samus over pikachu like samus having a spike, and a ko projectile, and can break shields way easier than pikachu can. Just because a character is low teir doesn't mean they are always at a disadvantage, or that the game is unbalanced. Like Mudkip said, players like isai and jousuke have won tournaments with low teir characters. So whether a character is good or not depends how they're being played.

Luigi is underrated

 

[leekslap]

Smash 4 is definitely not more balanced than 64. Of course 64 isn't completely balanced, all the characters would have to have the same moves for that, but it is definitely the most balanced smash game, aside from maybe project m. And there are things some characters have that others don't, such as samus over pikachu like samus having a spike, and a ko projectile, and can break shields way easier than pikachu can. Just because a character is low teir doesn't mean they are always at a disadvantage, or that the game is unbalanced. Like Mudkip said, players like isai and jousuke have won tournaments with low teir characters. So whether a character is good or not depends how they're being played.

Tell me something I don't know. So every character is good... because every character is different and you can get really good with them... Sounds legit. I always thought there is 7 viable characters: Pika, Kirbs, Doug, Fox, Mario, Yoshi, and DK.

 

[Cedricwa]

Still though, point being it is a pretty balanced game, and definitely more balanced than smash 4

 

[leekslap]

Still though, point being it is a pretty balanced game, and definitely more balanced than smash 4

Fair enough. But let's compare the amount of viable characters per game.

Smash 64
- Pika
- Kirby
- Doug
- Fox
- Mario
- Yoshi
- DK
Total : 7
Just barely over 50% viable characters

Melee
- Fox
- Falco
- Puff
- Sheik
- Marth
- Peach
- Ice Climbers
- Captain Falcon
- Dr. Mario
- Pikachu
- Samus
- Luigi
- Ganondorf
Total : 13
Exactly 50% viable characters

Brawl
- Meta Knight
- Ice Climbers
- Olimar
- Diddy
- Marth
- Snake
- Falco
- Pikachu
- ZSS
- Wario
- Lucario
- D3
- Tink
- Wolf
- Fox
- Game and Watch
- Pit
( viable because of Meta Knight ban )
- R.O.B.
- Peach
- Kirby
Total : 19
Just barely over 50% viable characters( less than Smash 64 but more than Melee )

Smash 4( *gulp* )
- too lazy to make tier list
Total: about 30
Over 50%

Smash 4 wins! Projeft M has 90/80% viable characters btw

 

[Saltsizzle]

1. You can argue many different characters are viable or not viable in all games boiling down to opinions.
2. You didnt even make a list for sm4sh and declare it the winner.
3. It's too early to call for sm4sh.
4. PM isn't an official title and is constantly updated so of course its going to be the most balanced
5. In terms of gap from best character to worst character, 64 has the smallest gap (due to there being less characters) and can be argued to be the most balanced game.
6. I don't know how you can argue DK is tournament viable of all the low tier characters in 64.

 

[MudkipUniverse]

Jousuke is an amazing "Low tier player", but samus is rated mid tier on the Japanese matchup list due to various differences between versions. (http://www.ssbwiki.com/Character_matchup_(DSB)

Jousuke also Never plays in Out-of-continent tournaments. I wonder who the best NTSC or PAL samus is.

All of the cast is viable if you are "Isai"

 

[leekslap]

1. You can argue many different characters are viable or not viable in all games boiling down to opinions.
2. You didnt even make a list for sm4sh and declare it the winner.
3. It's too early to call for sm4sh.
4. PM isn't an official title and is constantly updated so of course its going to be the most balanced
5. In terms of gap from best character to worst character, 64 has the smallest gap (due to there being less characters) and can be argued to be the most balanced game.
6. I don't know how you can argue DK is tournament viable of all the low tier characters in 64.

1. I know.
2. I was joking.
3. OK.
4. OK.
5. At least explain man!
6. He has one bad matchup and his projectile weakness is mitigated by the ban of Hyrule. Also because 6 characters to choose is pitiful and 7 is a lucky number lol

I think I should have said I was joking in my previous post.

 

[Saltsizzle]

1. I know.
2. I was joking.
3. OK.
4. OK.
5. At least explain man!
6. He has one bad matchup and his projectile weakness is mitigated by the ban of Hyrule. Also because 6 characters to choose is pitiful and 7 is a lucky number lol

I think I should have said I was joking in my previous post.

2. It's hard to tell tone through text only.
5. I mean that a samus (regarded as worst although not in my opinion) has a chance (and a good one at that due to the matchup) vs a pikachu (regarded as best) in 64 compared to a kirby vs a fox in melee.
6. I see your point but DK is super easy to combo and has some pretty bad matchups. Maybe it's just me because I am bad with him.

 

[leekslap]

2. It's hard to tell tone through text only.
5. I mean that a samus (regarded as worst although not in my opinion) has a chance (and a good one at that due to the matchup) vs a pikachu (regarded as best) in 64 compared to a kirby vs a fox in melee.
6. I see your point but DK is super easy to combo and has some pretty bad matchups. Maybe it's just me because I am bad with him.

The Samus vs Pikachu matchup is pretty irrelevant. But if you mean in their pros and cons/viability, Samus is nothing compared to Pika. Her combos are terrible, her kill moves predictable, her attacks slow and laggy, and she has one even matchup. The only thing she's good at is surviving due to her floatyness which helps with combos, her weight, and her recovery. Everything else she does, another character does better. That seems like worst character material to me.

 

[Saltsizzle]

The Samus vs Pikachu matchup is pretty irrelevant. But if you mean in their pros and cons/viability, Samus is nothing compared to Pika. Her combos are terrible, her kill moves predictable, her attacks slow and laggy, and she has one even matchup. The only thing she's good at is surviving due to her floatyness which helps with combos, her weight, and her recovery. Everything else she does, another character does better. That seems like worst character material to me.

Samus also has a spike, has two of the best projectiles in the game (down b and fully charged neutral b), easiest shield break (up-b), fast move with super high priority (up b), kill combo (down air to either neutral air or back air), is hard to combo (floaty), is easy to sweetspot edges, and can teleport. I'm not arguing that she is worst character material, just that the gap from her to pikachu isn't as large as one might think or as in the other smash games (to my limited knowledge of the other smash games).

 

[leekslap]

Samus also has a spike, has two of the best projectiles in the game (down b and fully charged neutral b), easiest shield break (up-b), fast move with super high priority (up b), kill combo (down air to either neutral air or back air), is hard to combo (floaty), is easy to sweetspot edges, and can teleport. I'm not arguing that she is worst character material, just that the gap from her to pikachu isn't as large as one might think or as in the other smash games (to my limited knowledge of the other smash games).

Spike is a predictable kill move, down b is not better than lasers or fireballs or boomerang in any version of the universe and charged neutral b is another predictable kill move, that could be called predictable, that's not very reliable, I know that, I know that, and you are making this character sound like Project M 3.0 Mewtwo. Ganondorf in Brawl has excellent combos, easy kills, easy techchases, good range, overall great moveset, and most of his aerials autocancel off a short hop, but he is still rock bottom because he is easily gimped, easily shut down by combos and projectiles, can't approach, and he has too much end lag in his moves.

I highly recommend playing other Smash games. They are just as fun if you just learn them. I already made a viable character list above, but I would ignore Brawl. It's pretty disgusting.

 

[Saltsizzle]

Pikachu doesn't have a spike. You can't clank a down b like other projectiles. Pikachu's projectile is terrible. That being said, pikachu is still top tier due to speed, grab, combos, priority, recovery, etc. It's my opinion that Samus is worst character material but isn't the worst character especially now that Hyrule is banned. Link is the worst character in my opinion and a case can be made that ness is worse than Samus. Just my opinion.

Best Pikachu vs. Samus match: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyACCwHndr0&list=FLHDuES2osaZNYehK7BXo16A&index=10

I would play the other smash games, but I'm too lazy to get a hold of the means to play them, am not going to spend money on them, and didn't grow up with the other games. I'm sure I'd get some entertainment out of them though (except Brawl I tried that once and felt like I was playing slow mo).

To answer the topic of the thread though, Link is good for beginners to learn z canceling and avoiding getting grabbed. Fox is good for combos and more advanced techs like SHDL and shining.

 

[leekslap]

Pikachu doesn't have a spike. You can't clank a down b like other projectiles. Pikachu's projectile is terrible. That being said, pikachu is still top tier due to speed, grab, combos, priority, recovery, etc. It's my opinion that Samus is worst character material but isn't the worst character especially now that Hyrule is banned. Link is the worst character in my opinion and a case can be made that ness is worse than Samus. Just my opinion.

Best Pikachu vs. Samus match: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyACCwHndr0&list=FLHDuES2osaZNYehK7BXo16A&index=10

I would play the other smash games, but I'm too lazy to get a hold of the means to play them, am not going to spend money on them, and didn't grow up with the other games. I'm sure I'd get some entertainment out of them though (except Brawl I tried that once and felt like I was playing slow mo).

To answer the topic of the thread though, Link is good for beginners to learn z canceling and avoiding getting grabbed. Fox is good for combos and more advanced techs like SHDL and shining.

Well, now I want to hear your case for why Link is the worst character.

You can play both PM and Melee by getting a Wii( not Wii Mini ). If you are on a budget, there's always the 2DS to get your hand on the new one. I could help a little with choosing your characters if you tell me what your main in 64 is. I never understood why some people only like 64.

 

[Saltsizzle]

Well, now I want to hear your case for why Link is the worst character.

You can play both PM and Melee by getting a Wii( not Wii Mini ). If you are on a budget, there's always the 2DS to get your hand on the new one. I could help a little with choosing your characters if you tell me what your main in 64 is. I never understood why some people only like 64.

Link has a terrible grab, terrible recovery, is heavy so is easy to combo. Only thing going for link is projectiles.

It's more convenient for me to play 64. I've never really given the others a shot/had a chance to demo them before purchase. I main jiggs right now but switch around my main every few months or so its seems like lol.

 

[leekslap]

Just because saw discussion on it and had a big urge to say something about it, I eat tacos with everything. Ground beef tacos with green bell peppers and small amounts of onions, pork tacos with cheese and mayonaise, egg tacos made out of ****ing pancakes, homemade burger tacos, and like tacos man. I live right in the border. Plus side is tacos, and minus side is that I have to live with a bunch of delusional idiots. Gotta go to San Man Tonio man or, better yet, Austi . Smell my shoes if you know what I mean.

 

[Cedricwa]

Dude what about cilantro

 

[leekslap]

Dude what about cilantro

Only in small amounts and for things like tongue tacos. Too strong of a flavor if you know what I mean.

 

[Sedda]

the **** are you guys talking about

 

[leekslap]

the **** are you guys talking about

Tacos. I thought it was pretty obvious.

 

[Saltsizzle]

Best taco for beginners/new eaters to begin with?

 

[LRJaves]

Dankey Kang

 

[leekslap]

Dankey Kang

Nobody cares.