Banned Moves

[gallax]

Hello. I would like to know what are all the banned moves for tournament play. stalling of course, but a list of moves that cand stall a match. all i want to know is what i can or cannot do in a tournament.

 

[AlCaTraz644]

i think chain grabs that go on forever such as Ice climber's grab infi are banned, but not totally just you can only do the CG a certain amount of times i think, probably goes for all CG's including pikachu's aswell.

I think it's true .... THINK

 

[ndayday]

I'm pretty sure CG 's are legal.

I would like to ask, what about ZSS armor parts? I was thinking maybe you would have to throw them of the edge.

 

[Dynomite]

no, zzs arm. is legal, they dont ban projectiles... did they ban peach's turnips? nope... and i dont think much is banned, ice climbers chaingrab... idk about that but i guess it should b banned.

 

[The Real Inferno]

No moves are banned officially at all, but in general the only bans are "no excessive stalling". Infinite CGs are legal.

 

[ndayday]

no, zzs arm. is legal, they dont ban projectiles... did they ban peach's turnips?

That's what I thought but wasn't sure...

Oh, you could just ask the organizers of the tournament for thier rules.

 

[Oracle]

Nothing is officially banned as of right now. IC chaingrabs are legal because they are extremely difficult to pull off, unlike wobbling.

 

[gallax]

so then what are the stalling techiniques that are banned? how do you do them?

 

[ndayday]

I searched "stalling" and I found G&W's bucket stall. Is this stalling? 0.o

If it is then Fox's shine is a stall...so...yeah. I'm not sure about this, but isn't flying under stages stalling?

 

[gallax]

ive heard of sinics homing stall and jiggly's ladder stall. dont know what wibbling though. it has to do with the IC's and thats all i know.

 

[Rx-]

Sonic's homing stall doesn't work if the player just side dodges.

Jigglypuffs... ladder stall? link a vid or something please.

And all ice climber techniques are only banned in certain tournaments. I doubt you will play an ice climbers player other than Hylian that can do anything that would be ban-worthy.

There are no IC's that good in Florida, and so you shouldn't need to worry about it at FAST1. But if it does become an issue, then by all means call a director over, and we will help determine whether or not a player is doing something against the rules.

 

[manofgames4555]

Sonic's homing stall doesn't work if the player just side dodges.

Jigglypuffs... ladder stall? link a vid or something please.

And all ice climber techniques are only banned in certain tournaments. I doubt you will play an ice climbers player other than Hylian that can do anything that would be ban-worthy.

There are no IC's that good in Florida, and so you shouldn't need to worry about it at FAST1. But if it does become an issue, then by all means call a director over, and we will help determine whether or not a player is doing something against the rules.

Hey Rx- this is Walnut from *********. Remember me HRNUT's friend? Anyways just to let you know Hylian plans on coming to FAST1. Oh and I second the jigglypuffs video request of a ladder stall.

 

[Oracle]

so then what are the stalling techiniques that are banned? how do you do them?

The only main stalling technique that is easy enough to be banned sonics homing attack stall (where he goes under the stage and mashes B, making him constantly hit the stage and stay in the air for an indefinite period of time). But as pointed out already, it can be avoided w/ a sidestep. Wobbling is basically when in melee, you get grabbed by the ice climbers and mash d-tilt or f-tilt with one and grab attack with the others, which repeatedly reset the holding timer, allowing the ice climbers to never let go.

 

[AlAxe]

I think DDD's infinite grab against Mario, Luigi, and a couple others should be banned. It's pretty ******** to lose a stock everytime you get grabbed.

 

[ihavespaceblondes]

allowing the ice climbers to never let go.

"I'LL NEVER LET GO POPO! I'LL NEVER LET GO!"

 

[gallax]

marth also has an infinite grab against ness and lucas remember. but the thing is he can wait till the timer is about to end and kill either one and win the tournament match. should that be banned?

 

[omegawhitemage]

No good player will ever bother stalling a match with any of these techniques when they can just get you up to a percent at which you will die 100% of the time and kill you. It doesn't happen.

 

[Yuna]

Anything used to excessively stall a match is banned, even if it's a legit combo/infinite when used merely to rack up damage, yes.

 

[SacredThunder]

stuff to stall like yuna said is pretty much always banned. like rising pound and peaches side b thing on a wall is always banned in melee tourneys

 

[samdaballer]

only thing I see as banned is stalling techniques

 

[Leech]

well i only play melee in tournaments.. and i haven't seen a move banned yet.. Depends on what tournament you go to really.. cg should be illegal and wobbling also.. i have only seen cgs, but i have never seen someone wobble at a tourny. i have wobbled before, a friend, but never at a tourny..

 

[Corigames]

Nothing. We ban stages, all items, stalling, and nothing else.

If you want to know, chaingrabs are legal because you A) don't auto-win from it B) have to get grabbed first, which requires a little bit of finesse at least C) certain CG's require conditions to be met to be used.

 

[gallax]

so then...if using the infinite cg by marth it is perfectly acceptable to use during the whole match and never let go till the end when u r about to kill?

 

[omegawhitemage]

so then...if using the infinite cg by marth it is perfectly acceptable to use during the whole match and never let go till the end when u r about to kill?

No, things are generally called "stalling" because they are used to excessively stall the match. In the example you gave that would be stalling. However, it is perfectly acceptable to use the grab to get your opponent to a reasonable percentage to kill them (200-230ish%) and then finish them off. If you were to do that then it's not stalling even though you may have wasted some time you didn't do it just because you were attempting to run out the clock.

 

[pnoid]

chain grabs would be I imagine, i think edge hogging should be as well, as well as move spamming

 

[gallax]

so then i think there should be a limit on how high ness/lucas can be CG'd by marth. anyone else agree?

 

[omegawhitemage]

The SBR is currently working on that very thing. It's going to be somewhere around 200-300%.

 

[Dark Sonic]

All stalling techniques are banned. So that would be Sonic's homing stall, Peach's wall bomb stall, Jigglypuff's rising pound, The Luigi ladder (only applicable in teams), and basically anything that can be used to permanantly keep you out of your opponent's reach (or at least for the vast majority of the match. Of course all these things are legal if they're just used for recovery.

It's kinda hard to really set any limit on what's stalling and what's not, and I've really never seen a case where this rule has ever been an issue.

 

[Noak1]

WEll, I would assume that Peach's Peach Bomber on Pokemon Stadium 2 with the Windmills would be Banned. Go try it

 

[Dark Hart]

chain grabs would be I imagine, i think edge hogging should be as well, as well as move spamming

You really think edge-hogging should be banned? Why?

 

[Keblerelf]

chain grabs would be I imagine, i think edge hogging should be as well, as well as move spamming

wtf is with these responses? Move spamming?!? Why would you even THINK of banning move spamming? If it works, use it.

If you don't want to get CGed, just try not to get grabbed or counterpick with another character/stage that doesn't allow it.

Also, the game actually gives you points for edgehogging (you know, the list of bonuses you get at the end of every match), so there is actually no point in complaining about that.