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[Deleted member]

Only three? It’s not a real battle pass till it’s 4 anime swordsmen and Banjo.

If the Fighter Pass was something like this I would be the happiest man in the world.

 

[ze9]

That 4chan Erdrick is so obviously fake I wouldn't even bother to talk about it, lol

 

[Darkbeard]

All aboard the hype train! Toot... toot...


For me, Banjo & Kazooie is the only real missing piece on the roster. Ultimate must include them to live up to its name. Anyone else is just gravy, and the rest of the inclusions in the Fighters Pass really don't matter to me (as someone who bought the pass day 1 because I want the complete roster regardless).

 

[Organization XIII]

Well it saddens me a little Impossible Lair isn't a 3D platformer but it still comes from the same people who made the wonderful first game so it's a day 1 buy for me.

 

[Deleted member]

That 4chan Erdrick is so obviously fake I wouldn't even bother to talk about it, lol

Same thoughs honestly.

 

[JonSmash]

well banjo can use kazooie as a sword, HE WAS A ANIME SWORDSMEN ALL ALONG ! & the final fighter will be Zacian the sword holding 8th gen wolf pokemon

 

[Ornl]

Samus is a western character. Metroid was released in the US first. And she is in the game.

No https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metroid_(video_game)

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That there is a 2nd representative of the ballot from Rare leaves me skeptical. It's not like when Ryu was announced as 2nd Capcom rep after Mega Man, as Banjo is much closer to K. Rool. The genre (platforms) is similar, the exoticism of the universe is similar, the graphic style (artworks) is similar, and Diddy/Banjo have even been interchangeable to pass from Diddy Kong Pilot to Banjo Pilot. The creators of the Donkey Kong (Country), Diddy, Dixie, Kiddy and K. Rool created Banjo & Kazooie in the same continuity, with the same mold, by evolving the duo concept of DK Country 3.
When Reggie announced that each new character is unexpected, I think that Banjo is very contradictory.

 

[Banjoisawesome2020]

No https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metroid_(video_game)

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That there is a 2nd representative of the ballot from Rare leaves me skeptical. It's not like when Ryu was announced as 2nd Capcom rep after Mega Man, as Banjo is much closer to K. Rool. The genre (platforms) is similar, the exoticism of the universe is similar, the graphic style (artworks) is similar, and Diddy/Banjo have even been interchangeable to pass from Diddy Kong Pilot to Banjo Pilot. The creators of the Donkey Kong (Country), Diddy, Dixie, Kiddy and K. Rool created Banjo & Kazooie in the same continuity, with the same mold, by evolving the duo concept of DK Country 3.
When Reggie announced that each new character is unexpected, I think that Banjo is very contradictory.

The latest hints point towards a different path.

 

[Deleted member]

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All aboard the hype train! Toot... toot...


For me, Banjo & Kazooie is the only real missing piece on the roster. Ultimate must include them to live up to its name. Anyone else is just gravy, and the rest of the inclusions in the Fighters Pass really don't matter to me (as someone who bought the pass day 1 because I want the complete roster regardless).

I honestly find Dragon Quest and Crash as missing pieces too, although maybe for some minor bias regarding Crash.

The idea of seeing Samus, Crash, Eight or Erdrick and Banjo next to each other fighting while hearing the DQ8 Battle Theme on the background just feels to me like an amazing dream.

 

[Organization XIII]

No https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metroid_(video_game)

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That there is a 2nd representative of the ballot from Rare leaves me skeptical. It's not like when Ryu was announced as 2nd Capcom rep after Mega Man, as Banjo is much closer to K. Rool. The genre (platforms) is similar, the exoticism of the universe is similar, the graphic style (artworks) is similar, and Diddy/Banjo have even been interchangeable to pass from Diddy Kong Pilot to Banjo Pilot. The creators of the Donkey Kong (Country), Diddy, Dixie, Kiddy and K. Rool created Banjo & Kazooie in the same continuity, with the same mold, by evolving the duo concept of DK Country 3.
When Reggie announced that each new character is unexpected, I think that Banjo is very contradictory.

I mean being from the same universe doesn't mean anything. The Banjo series may have a lot of the same trappings as DK but all that means is Rare had a style they used and people loved it. Also, the Reggie statement was generic PR crap. I don't understand why people try to use that for any actual evidence like it means something. Finally, even if we all here thought Banjo was a strong possibility he is still a Microsoft character and people will be surprised at his inclusion.

 

[Taco Cruise]

If the Fighter Pass was something like this I would be the happiest man in the world.
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Wow, good taste right here. Bravo - also I love the Juggernaut. Best friends? Mach Rider and Banjo are 2 of my 3 most wanted (Doom Marine being my third)

 

[Deleted member]

Wow, good taste right here. Bravo - also I love the Juggernaut. Best friends? Mach Rider and Banjo are 2 of my 3 most wanted (Doom Marine being my third)

Oh, Doom Marine would be sweet too.

But yeah having Samus, Crash, Eight and Mach Rider next to each other on an official game is the kind of stuff that would bring me tears of joy.
And Banjo rocks too, indeed.

And yeah, I like Juggernaut. I was glad to see him in UA3 at least as a boss.

 

[ChunkySlugger72]

Samus is a western character. Metroid was released in the US first. And she is in the game.

Samus/Metroid is technically a Japan creation from one of Nintendo's many internal studios back then, Which is kind of odd because it looks more like a western creation and appeals more to the west being SciFi and all, It was in recent years that Retro Studios a western studio (Texas/US) handled it and understood it better than Nintendo and Japan.

Diddy Kong was technically the 1st western character (Nintendo owned) when he joined Brawl as he was originally a creation of Rareware a western studio (England/UK) followed by King K. Rool as well in Ultimate as he was also from Rare.

Dark Samus is Metroid's 1st western character in Smash as she was a creation from Retro Studios. (Texas/US)

If Banjo-Kazooie makes it into Smash he would be the 1st ever 3rd Party Character currently owned by a western company (Microsoft/Rare) and the 1st character ever from a rival competitor and platform (Xbox) to join Smash.

 

[Brothanigus]

Samus is a western character. Metroid was released in the US first. And she is in the game.

Samus is not a western owned character, nor is anything DK, they have never been western owned characters. They've been owned by Nintendo since their inception.

There is a HUGE difference between being western owned and being released in the west first/being more popular in the west than Japan.

 

[Deleted member]

A Microsoft rep getting in could also increase Crash’s chances, tbh.

 

[ProjectDream]

Hello, going to be a long first post but I had to just make an account to I guess make the case for why I think Banjo-Kazooie is not a certainty, but a likely newcomer (For the record Geno fans overestimate their chances, they're in the same licensing red tape boat). I've just about seen and heard every argument for and against BK and I wouldn't even be posting about it, let alone looking at Smash Boards if there wasn't at least a chance. For the first time in well over a decade, there is.

Its probably best start at the beginning, when Melee was in development and due to the high popularity of Banjo-Kazooie, both in the West & Japan, Sakurai did consider them in Smash 64 but left it until Melee to add them unfortunately this was cut due to as Sakurai says 'adult issues' meaning the legal kind, soon after was the Microsoft buyout of Rare and the rest is history from that point. First point being, if Sakurai is going back and bringing all the things he possibly could from past cut games, namely Banjo-Kazooie and Geno from Brawls development, these are the most notable exclusions from the series. Sakurai's interest may have changed in those years, so who knows maybe he feels differently about the bear and bird. But theres evidence of personal interest on his part.

Throughout Smash's history the same names have always been requested, and Banjo-Kazooie easily sits in the top 5-10 on any poll period, (and theres about 5 other polls from different times betweeen 2015-2018 I can show) difference being between Brawl end of Smash 4, Banjo-Kazooie fans were quietly hoping something could even so much as hint that they could be in the game, but under a seemingly impossible Microsoft banner, it would be impossible.

Flash forward to post Smash 4 for the first time ever Phil Spencer tweets in 2015 about his enthusiasm for getting Banjo into Smash 4's DLC and I believe before Ultimates roster was finalised. What does he mean by the ease of licensing the Rare IP? Well you have the notorious DK64 to Virtual Console which contained a full game of Jetpac inside the game which was a big licensing deal at the time, then you've got Diddy Kong Racing DS port, and the GBA Banjo-Kazooie games (Banjo Pilot & Gruntildas Revenge). People perceive Microsoft as a staunchly fierce competitor-- (hardly these days as Nintendo is fully handheld & Microsoft is merging the console with the PC market)-- who would be even more difficult than Square-Enix to deal with. A decade long history tells otherwise, especially with the Rare IPs, Microsoft is fully aware with how little they use them and have no issue with licensing them out for what I can only imagine are small fees considering their worth. This is not on the same level as licensing out Pac-Man or Cloud, or Ryu or any other big relevant franchises.

On the topic of relevancy, it doesn't matter. People use this argument all the time and it drives me nuts, a good portion of Smashs roster hasn't had games in decades, and K.Rool is the latest example, he's never shown up in anything DK related for 10 years, but I digress.

People seem to claim that 'suits would get in the way of any deal', not so much on Microsofts end. Phil Spencer is head of the gaming division, there's nobody high up who can stop that call from him. It would all come down to Nintendos call at that point and working out an agreement, which as previously stated shouldn't be a problem considering the history of past deals. How would such a deal work with Microsoft? I have a theory; Microsoft needs to build trust back in their Rare IPs, they've been squandering them for 10+ years and nothings been done about it, enter Phil Spencer, he's been highly interested in engaging with Microsofts exclusives upon his promotion and in that time we've seen the Rare Replay, Killer Instinct, a Battletoads reboot announced this year, and a host of merchandise and collectables lined up for Banjo-Kazooie's 20th anniversary (Contrast to the 15th anniversary where they did nothing). Its also worth noting they've gone back from the Nuts & Bolts designs to the classic designs.

Steps are in place to regain trust back into old fans, but what about new fans? Enter the Smash deal. The BK license is arguably at its lowest worth since 2008, Microsoft approaches Nintendo looking for both representation for their IP, gaining good will and getting a free advertisement/celebration of Banjo on Nintendos behalf, thus springboarding off this and gaining the trust of old fans and gaining new fans. Smash is notorious for exposing franchises to people who missed out on their games, Fire Emblem wouldn't be as popular in the west if it weren't for Smashs exposure.

Which is why I think, if Phil's a smart man, and to be in his position you'd have to be, he's been planning this maybe even before 2015 but certainly since then. The relationship between MS & Nintendo, the anniversary, the merchandise, the reverting to old designs, its all coordinated to me, in the hopes that Phil can garner a deal to revive a dead IP by licensing it out to Smash for virtually peanuts, costing Nintendo little, generating massive Smash hype and both companies come out looking good in the eyes of fans with potentially a new market created via the exposure for old fans and new for Microsoft to MAYBE make a new game out of.

And how about that Minecraft crossplay? The latest in the new deal between the companies has seen MS shares its famous properties with Minecraft skins, including Banjo-Kazooie. And with the DasVergeben original leak claiming SOME form of Minecraft rep is in Smash, that bolsters the chances of BK being in the base game tenfold, and enforces my theory that Phil's been planning this for a few years. I imagine part of the deal being that Microsoft would happily give Nintendo the BK license for cheap, if Minecraft is somehow included to generate interest for younger fans. Nintendo wouldn't be opposed to this, Minecraft is a core to the Switch library. Now somewhere in these talks I imagine would be discussions of the N64 mini which we've heard nothing about, a good chunk of the best selling library are Rare games and this would probably where the discussions get murky but it brings Nintendo to the table to make a deal with MS in the first place and Nintendo needs it more than MS does, so the Smash deal and the N64 mini deal are deals that go both ways in favour of both companies.

"but what about the 2018 tweet, doesn't that violate NDA!?" - no, not at all. Phil cherry picked this question to that image to give his answer which confirms or denies nothing, it is simply to the question "is he still willing?" Being under an NDA myself, this violates nothing, its not a clear cut question or an answer. Phil's a smart guy, he gets asked this question everyday. I'm sure he picks the questions he answers carefully for such a delicate matter as Smash.

At the end of the day is it a 50/50? Yes. But its more likely than it ever was before, and that puts them in the running just as equally as Geno in my mind or any other third party character. It's Nintendos call, and if they came to the table as early as 2015. My hunch says maybe.

Anyway sorry for the long post, I had to get this out of my system because I feel, personally, after waiting 10 plus years and nothing happening, that this is the best chance they've had ever. I'm 100% positive they'd be DLC, but the base game is where I fall back to 50/50.

530+ pages and almost one year later, I think my rationale for why I thought it was a 50/50 shot is sound, with only the N64 mini not coming to fruition.

50/50 sounds outdated at this point however, but I did say I was 100% positive they'd be DLC then, and I'm only more sure of it now.

 

[WeirdSandwich]

Hi everyone! I made an account specifically to post in this thread, have been lurking since early last year though. Just wanted to say before E3 happens, that I've been quietly confident in Banjo since the Rare spirits were datamined. TBH, this is still the most concrete evidence for any DLC character, even more than Erdrick who is mostly insider word. Personally, I would love if Google theory is correct since Doomguy is my second most wanted character after Banjo and I love Dark Souls, but in any case I would be satisfied with Banjo alone. Things are looking up for Banjo, hope this isn't a repeat of the Grinch leak!

 

[ze9]

No https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metroid_(video_game)

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That there is a 2nd representative of the ballot from Rare leaves me skeptical. It's not like when Ryu was announced as 2nd Capcom rep after Mega Man, as Banjo is much closer to K. Rool. The genre (platforms) is similar, the exoticism of the universe is similar, the graphic style (artworks) is similar, and Diddy/Banjo have even been interchangeable to pass from Diddy Kong Pilot to Banjo Pilot. The creators of the Donkey Kong (Country), Diddy, Dixie, Kiddy and K. Rool created Banjo & Kazooie in the same continuity, with the same mold, by evolving the duo concept of DK Country 3.
When Reggie announced that each new character is unexpected, I think that Banjo is very contradictory.

Well they added a weeb character like Joker even though Corrin and Shulk and the rest of the interchangeable same art-style RPG swordie cool-sounding catchphrase weeb brigade were already in the base game, so I guess Banjo could fit with Reggie's conception of "unexpected".

 

[Organization XIII]

Well they added a weeb character like Joker even though Corrin and Shulk and the rest of the interchangeable same art-style RPG swordie cool-sounding catchphrase weeb brigade were already in the base game, so I guess Banjo could fit with Reggie's conception of "unexpected".

Do really have to fight off base comments with off base comments?

 

[Zem-raj]

Samus is a western character. Metroid was released in the US first. And she is in the game.

Samus was created by Makoto Kano and designed by Hiroji Kiyotake. She made her debut in Metroid, which was developed by Nintendo R&D1 and Intelligent Systems (both based in Japan), and was first released on the Family Computer Disk System in Japan in 1986, and then on the Nintendo Entertainment System in the US in 1987. She is clearly a Japanese created character.

Dark Samus, on the other hand, made her debut as Metroid Prime in Metroid Prime. Metroid Prime was developed by Retro Studios, based in Austin, Texas, U.S., and released on the GameCube in 2002 in the US, then in 2003 for Japan and Europe. Her original Dark Samus form appeared in Metroid Prime 2: Echoes (GameCube, 2004), and the form we see in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate is based on the design from Metroid Prime 3: Corruption (Wii, 2007). She is an American created character (and currently the only one on the roster). That's a "western rep" there.

 

[ze9]

Do really have to fight off base comments with off base comments?

Just wanted to have some fun with him by saying the exact same thing he did.
I'm fine with all those characters. In fact, Path of Radiance is in my top 10 games of all time and I've played Xeno 1 to death.
If you trivialize things that much, basically every chatacter is the same.

 

[Deleted member]

Honestly, having a dual reveal of a Dragon Quest rep and Banjo at E3 would be one of the few things that could bring me more hype and joy than this moment I still remember fondly:

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Percentage chance you all think banjo might be in?

Because of all the leakers like Shinobi, Vergeben, Indiegamerchick, etc. banking on Banjo Kazooie, it's no longer a matter of if, but when. Will they be coming to E3 or a different time? It doesn't make sense not to include them in E3 because it's best time to include a Microsoft character in Smash Bros.

In case anyone missed this reveal:

I'm just glad that Yooka Laylee did well enough for Playtonic to still be in business. I was worried by the lack of news that they failed.

 

[weallfloatdownhere7]

No https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metroid_(video_game)

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That there is a 2nd representative of the ballot from Rare leaves me skeptical. It's not like when Ryu was announced as 2nd Capcom rep after Mega Man, as Banjo is much closer to K. Rool. The genre (platforms) is similar, the exoticism of the universe is similar, the graphic style (artworks) is similar, and Diddy/Banjo have even been interchangeable to pass from Diddy Kong Pilot to Banjo Pilot. The creators of the Donkey Kong (Country), Diddy, Dixie, Kiddy and K. Rool created Banjo & Kazooie in the same continuity, with the same mold, by evolving the duo concept of DK Country 3.
When Reggie announced that each new character is unexpected, I think that Banjo is very contradictory.

Mega Man and Ryu are both original Capcom characters. K Rool, while created by Rare, is a Donkey Kong character aka a Nintendo character. Banjo would be Rare’s first and only original created character in Smash, like Mega Man & Ryu to Capcom

 

[Ornl]

Please, my shared feeling explains a poll vote, it is not an invitation to the debate against Banjo supporters
I have my opinion, it's so.

 

[nirvanafan]

Anyone else see the Byleth and Erdrick "leaked" photos? Looks impressive idk if real or not. Can you imagine if we get THREE anime swordsman as dlc lmao

I have seen the erdrick ones but do you have a source for the byleth ones, i cant seem to find them

 

[ze9]

Please, my shared feeling explains a poll vote, it is not an invitation to the debate against Banjo supporters
I have my opinion, it's so.

You know, a simple "I don't like the character" is already a totally valid and respectable opinion. No need to inflate it with misinformation, understatements, fake parallels and theories already disproven by the actual game.

If you're going to be dismissive about something, you should present solid arguments. If you can't, a simple "I don't like this or that", is more sincere and more respectable.
Let's drop this here.

 

[Leotsune]

A Microsoft rep getting in could also increase Crash’s chances, tbh.

Not really, on the contrary, I highly doubt we'll get more than 1 western 3rd party character.
Banjo might be the only exception, and probably due a reason other than fan demand.

 

[Nazyrus]

Not really, on the contrary, I highly doubt we'll get more than 1 western 3rd party character.
Banjo might be the only exception, and probably due a reason other than fan demand.

I don't think there are such limits set in stone with this game, lol. Every time I hear something like this Sakurai proves us wrong in the future.

 

[TaichiYaegashi]

I have seen the erdrick ones but do you have a source for the byleth ones, i cant seem to find them

I don't even know why I'm bothering spoilering this because it just doesn't look real but w/e

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Most notably his back, hands, right elbow, etc.

 

[Paperchampion23]

Not really, on the contrary, I highly doubt we'll get more than 1 western 3rd party character.
Banjo might be the only exception, and probably due a reason other than fan demand.

And having massive history with Nintendo in the first place.

 

[BigZGaming2015]

I don't even know why I'm bothering spoilering this because it just doesn't look real but w/e

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Yeaaahhh nah lmao, reminds me of the guy who made the leak of Isaac, Shadow, Ken etc before Ultimate released
https://www.ssbwiki.com/images/6/64/SSBURenderLeak.jpg

 

[ze9]

I don't even know why I'm bothering spoilering this because it just doesn't look real but w/e

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Most notably his back, hands, right elbow, etc.

This just looks like 2d art to me.
But Erdrick in the other images looks even worse, really amateurish.

 

[Ornl]

You know, a simple "I don't like the character" is already a totally valid and respectable opinion. No need to inflate it with misinformation, understatements, fake parallels and theories already disproven by the actual game.

If you're going to be dismissive about something, you should present solid arguments. If you can't, a simple "I don't like this or that", is more sincere and more respectable.
Let's drop this here.

I didn't say I didn't like Banjo.
A personal opinion isn't intended to be judged. The insistent stigmatization of "non-valid, non-solid, non-sincere, non-respectable, inflating, misinforming, with understatements, fake parallels, already refuted" is a subjective judgment, so that the interlocutor feels judged (violent communication).

 

[MonkeyDLenny]

So this is the second time Jon Cartwright has brought up Banjo in the past few days; and we all know how his 'speculations and rumors' seem to almost always come true

 

[MissingGlitch]

I got a Battle for Bikini Bottom remake. Destroy all Humans is coming back. If Banjo comes back and gets in smash then this E3 has already been great for me.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

I don't even know why I'm bothering spoilering this because it just doesn't look real but w/e

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Most notably his back, hands, right elbow, etc.

What the hell is that pose? I can't tell if it's his arm or if he's a hunchback.

 

[Paperchampion23]

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So this is the second time Jon Cartwright has brought up Banjo in the past few days; and we all know how his 'speculations and rumors' seem to almost always come true

Yeah im taking this as confirmation at this point. Considering nobody is really mentioning Erdrick @E3, I assume Dragon Quest is being saved for a post E3 direct, maybe July/August.

 

[RETROROTER]

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So this is the second time Jon Cartwright has brought up Banjo in the past few days; and we all know how his 'speculations and rumors' seem to almost always come true

Who’s Jon Cartwright

 

[ChunkySlugger72]

I got a Battle for Bikini Bottom remake. Destroy all Humans is coming back. If Banjo comes back and gets in smash then this E3 has already been great for me.

I like how everything we grew up playing from the late 90's - Mid 2000's is making a comeback not just for us ,But also for a new generation.

It's good to be a gamer right now.